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ambermason16 said:Dear ladies, thanks for stepping up. You all jumped headfirst into this mess completely on your own initiative..

As for these thread-starters, I don't have much to say, except it looks like your little "I’m typing, but I have no clue what I’m saying or why I’m even typing" campaign isn't going exactly according to plan..

And you, Jonathan Martinez11, stay out of other members' business. Especially those who used to frequent Dove forums but aren't members there anymore. I know everything there is to know regarding Kenneth Cruz73 and Asi62's handles, and all I'll say is that the reason was absolutely justified, wasn't controversial at all, and was approved by the Moderator. So, you can go look for a new sensation on some other message board, because, much to everyone's delight, the door to this one is locked to you.

I haven't watched Ezel; I'm watching Cansa for the first time. I am not a fan of anyone, not even her.
I'm certainly not similar to her character, though in terms of looks... well, let's just say she's been crossed out, if you catch my drift.

I am taking her side simply because I don't have the stomach to read nothing but talk about what a fool she is, what a hysterical bitch she is, how unintelligent she is, and a heap of other words that I mostly hear from hysterical, unintelligent, and similar individuals.
I don't speak about anyone like that in real life, so I generally cringe when I read such things.

While Boran clearly has an obvious problem with anger management, excuses are constantly found for him, whereas Force is spat upon the moment the slightest reason exists.
So I find myself wondering... who is actually obsessed with an imaginary character here?
Is it those who are just waiting to spit on her, or those who defend her unconditionally? At least those people admit they are fans of hers.

I don't even read more than half the posts here anymore; the back-and-forth bickering and little jabs people throw at each other all day long aren't interesting to me at all.
I read the posts of those who actually summarize their impressions and provide reasoned arguments regarding the characters, rather than just "she's a stupid woman," and thank God that Aga finally spoke up—he should have done so sooner.

There are excellent women on this thread whose posts I gladly read regardless of our differing opinions, and I have no problem admitting that in some episodes, Force was the one that messed up.

To me, Aga completely lost standing in my eyes after the episode with Emre; he showed what a brute Mardinska is, and it will be hard for me to ever regain my previous opinion of him.
I am inclined to forgive characters if the writers make them do it, because to me, this is just a show and nothing more, so I generally just keep watching and enjoying it, following the forum and laughing at some posts, agreeing with others or not...

It is truly mind-blowing what one encounters reading through this place and how certain people choose to interpret the show. Even more baffling is the endless repetition—constantly digging up old plot points just to rehash the same arguments, trying to prove they were right all along by dragging Force through the mud for things they’ve already criticized a thousand times before.
Honestly, it is exhausting and frankly quite idiotic to read about the same people, saying the exact same things, over and over again. Some are spitting venom, others are playing defense. And even after some have been kicked out for bans, while others—some cartoonish characters (myself included)—have received warnings, the cycle just continues unabated.

Kudos to the women who get so deeply immersed in hating one specific character that it's the only thing they can talk about—not just once, but repeatedly hammering the same point over and over. But I also have to give credit to the ladies who consistently present their views with actual arguments, reading through all this nonsense time and again. I truly cannot believe some people possess such thick skin.

Regrettably, this Force theme has devolved into one giant joke, which is such a shame... especially since a good number of posts and a significant amount of women participated in it originally.

mistytrucker15 said:Is it just me, or is this whole situation incredibly awkward?

I’m actually one of those controversial names listed in Jeremy Reyes5's signature...
To be honest, I don't personally know any of the other women mentioned there, and I haven't even exchanged a single private message with most of them..

Regarding the moderation duties for this thread?
Do you people honestly believe there are only two other souls in this entire World who find watching this show as existentially vital as you clearly do..?

And the Moderators?
Personally, I've been banned plenty of times, and right now I'm sitting on a massive 100-point penalty... I've definitely tasted the bitterness of being sidelined before..

Since we're laying all our cards on the table, I might as well say this too;
I can't—and frankly, I couldn't care less to try—prove that you are actually Gerald Bailey88, the dear ex Didi..
But since I simply refuse to believe there's anyone else out there so profoundly disconnected from reality, I'm just taking that assumption as a given..
Because of that, I'd say the Force theme turned into what it is today the very moment you had that little cute nervous breakdown of yours, after which you rose from the ashes under this new handle and kept up your ridiculous fight against windmills..
Our "criminal" tendency to band together started as a sort of joke reacting to the mess you created back then..

Truthfully, I don't even want to be part of this debate, and as an adult woman, I feel a good amount of shame over everything happening here..

I'm checking in for one and only one reason,
to stand up for someone who is being targeted by a completely irrational onslaught from a few people who obviously have way too much free time and a total lack of actual life problems—and I'm not sure whether to envy them or pity them..

I’m taking her side—mostly because I don't have any other option left. My stomach can only take so much—just endless reading about what a total airhead she is, or what a hysterical bitch, or how completely brainless she acts. I guess I'll just leave it at that. Just another phrase I hear constantly from the hysterical, uneducated crowd—people who clearly lack any sense of perspective.
I don't talk about people like that in my actual life—honestly, I usually just tune out when I run into stuff like this.

Honestly, it’s just exhausting—beyond draining, really. It’s exhausting—really—reading about the same old faces and the same tired stories over and over again.
I have to hand it to those women who get so deeply invested in obsessing over one specific character—it’s almost impressive how they manage to make that their entire personality, time after time. Just pounding away at it—sort of like how I used to hammer nails back in my old workshop days—just keeping at it. It’s all the same thing—really.

I'm taking her side—honestly. I honestly don't have the stomach for reading nothing but endless complaints about how much of a fool she is—or which hysterical bitch is being unintelligent today.

Agatha has completely lost all credibility in my eyes after that whole mess with Emre—she really showed her true colors there. Raw material. Mardinska—it’s going to be hard to ever look at him the same way again.

Just trolling, gaslighting, and... Personal attacks of any kind—no matter the reason—are strictly prohibited. Don't bother returning fire when people start throwing insults—it’s just not worth the energy. Just leave the heavy lifting to the Moderators.

1. Everyone’s perspective is welcome here—even if you happen to disagree with the consensus or need to call out a mistake or a questionable move. Just keep it civil; please refrain from insults, intolerance, or intentionally stirring the pot just because you hold a different view.
2. Respect other people's perspectives. Just because you're a fan of a certain character or work doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way—they don't. Please stop reporting well-reasoned posts just because their only "flaw" is that they disagree with you. Any attempt to bully or attack someone for having a different opinion on this forum—on any topic—will be met with the strictest penalties.

Jeremy Reyes5 said:Keith Diaz5 I don't have anything against you personally—really. This is a public forum, and if someone decides to call me out, I can't just sit there and take it; I’ll step in and respond.

What you’ve laid out isn't exactly building an altar to the Force—nor is it a direct insult to it—but it certainly feels like a slap in the face to us women on these forums.

I’m taking her side—mostly because I don't have any other option left. My stomach can only take so much—just endless reading about what a total airhead she is, or what a hysterical bitch, or how completely brainless she acts. I guess I'll just leave it at that. Just another phrase I hear constantly from the hysterical, uneducated crowd—people who clearly lack any sense of perspective.
I don't talk about people like that in my actual life—honestly, I usually just tune out when I run into stuff like this.

What a contradiction—a total paradox, really.
So you claim to despise insulting fictional characters—you find the whole idea of disrespecting them repulsive—yet in that very same post, you turn around and tell the other members: Hysterical, mindless—and things of that nature. Of course—everything is being blamed on that one woman, that single individual—as if we're all too dim to realize exactly who she is.
I suppose I have to defend this fictional character—not that anyone here actually cares for the truth—but some things are worth standing by, even if the rest of you just want to stir the pot.
And don't go talking about anyone like that in real life—though, to be fair, you did just write exactly what you said above.

Dalje nastavljaš:

Honestly, it’s just exhausting—beyond draining, really. It’s exhausting—really—reading about the same old faces and the same tired stories over and over again.
I have to hand it to those women who get so deeply invested in obsessing over one specific character—it’s almost impressive how they manage to make that their entire personality, time after time. Just pounding away at it—sort of like how I used to hammer nails back in my old workshop days—just keeping at it. It’s all the same thing—really.

Well, then you write (this is regarding a fictional character)—

I'm taking her side—honestly. I honestly don't have the stomach for reading nothing but endless complaints about how much of a fool she is—or which hysterical bitch is being unintelligent today.

Then you should just write:

Agatha has completely lost all credibility in my eyes after that whole mess with Emre—she really showed her true colors there. Raw material. Mardinska—it’s going to be hard to ever look at him the same way again.

So, you aren't defending the insults thrown at one fictional character—instead, you're just insulting the forum members and another fictional character in the process. Or perhaps you'll claim that calling people hysterical, moronic, or pure unrefined nonsense isn't actually an insult. Typical.😕

And then there are our rules, which state the following:

Just trolling, gaslighting, and... Personal attacks of any kind—no matter the reason—are strictly prohibited. Don't bother returning fire when people start throwing insults—it’s just not worth the energy. Just leave the heavy lifting to the Moderators.

1. Everyone’s perspective is welcome here—even if you happen to disagree with the consensus or need to call out a mistake or a questionable move. Just keep it civil; please refrain from insults, intolerance, or intentionally stirring the pot just because you hold a different view.
2. Respect other people's perspectives. Just because you're a fan of a certain character or work doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way—they don't. Please stop reporting well-reasoned posts just because their only "flaw" is that they disagree with you. Any attempt to bully or attack someone for having a different opinion on this forum—on any topic—will be met with the strictest penalties.

You're accusing us of making things up or being biased simply because we don't share YOUR exact views. Well, you wrote what you wrote, and that's your prerogative.

Dear Keith Diaz5...
So, does that mean I'm officially part of the group being described in this post and a few others from earlier...?
What exactly do I have to do with Gerald Bailey88 or Didi...

Dear Keith Diaz5...
So many girls hanging out on Dove are watching Force, yet they hardly ever chime in on the thread—so let's just dive right in with something quick: S.N.O.B...Didi (bananas coming very soon)...Well, that was certainly something... just a quick note to say hello—hope everyone is having a wonderful day!evigilli, Jonathan Martinez11 (also known as banana)I can't quite recall the rest—but I will say this: there are so many people who won't even bother commenting because of the atmosphere over there... Most of Cansa's fans are likely following the show, yet somehow, I don't see them appearing in the thread. Or am I just imagining things...?

Kenneth Cruz73 said:Morning... 🙂
Honestly, I have to wonder—what does any of this actually have to do with the current situation?!...
There certainly is—if you're going to set something in motion and start making claims, you really ought to see it through to the end...
Regarding the points I made in my first post—I already laid them out and explained exactly why they don't hold up...
I only wrote that because I felt like I was being indirectly called out in my first post—and then directly targeted by Gerald Bailey88 and Jonathan Martinez11...
Should I have just stayed quiet and let them pin all those blatant absurdities on me...?!
I suppose I have the right to share my actual thoughts regarding this fictional character—the one that’s led people to slap all these labels on me... which really aren't a reflection of any normal, civilized discussion on the Dove series, Force volume 1, or how things are being handled here...
Honestly, I am deeply disappointed in Keith Diaz5 for being the one to kick off this thread—because even though we see Force differently, I really felt that we agreed on so many other scenes in the series... and we've always managed to keep our debates fair and respectful...
And why did I even chime in? Well, I think it’s pretty obvious from my last post...
And why are you even asking this now...?

Dear Keith Diaz5...
So, does that mean I'm officially part of the group being described in this post and a few others from earlier...?
What exactly do I have to do with Gerald Bailey88 or Didi...

Well, just take a moment to read back through your own post... then draw your own conclusions...

Dear Keith Diaz5...
So many girls hanging out on Dove are watching Force, yet they hardly ever chime in on the thread—so let's just dive right in with something quick: S.N.O.B...Didi (bananas coming very soon)...Well, that was certainly something... just a quick note to say hello—hope everyone is having a wonderful day!evigilli, Jonathan Martinez11 (also known as banana)I can't quite recall the rest—but I will say this: there are so many people who won't even bother commenting because of the atmosphere over there... Most of Cansa's fans are likely following the show, yet somehow, I don't see them appearing in the thread. Or am I just imagining things...?

Well, just in case you didn't intend to start some kind of negative landslide with your very first post—not that you were indirectly calling anyone out, of course—take a look at your own entry...
Does any of this actually make sense—and what exactly was the goal here...?
It looks like ambermason16 is being blamed for everything—and now everyone is throwing stones...
Why?! Just because we aren't being objective—and apparently don't "see things clearly" enough...
Let's not act like little kids—we aren't... we are all adults with our own views and beliefs, but that’s no excuse to sink to such low levels of communication just because we disagree. There's really no need to trade "cheap shots" or start attacking one another personally over some fictional character...
Well, like someone else said here... who knows? Maybe during the next Dove thread—or any other topic we dive into—our opinions will actually align...
So, where does that leave us... even if things never quite line up... honestly, it doesn't even matter—what counts is that we're all healthy and doing well, and that everyone out there in the real world is living their own life exactly how they see fit, rather than how others expect them to live...
I decided to speak up—not just because I was tagged, but because this baseless and frankly pointless attack on ambermason16 is unnecessary... She’s simply doing her job to the best of her ability, and if anyone has issues or critiques regarding her work, there are much more appropriate ways to handle things than the behavior we've seen here...
And yes—I stand behind everything I’ve written on the Force thread and right here too—not just as Kenneth Cruz73, but as a real person of flesh and blood... regardless of how that sounds... or however anyone chooses to interpret it...

Keith Diaz5 said:Dear Xavier, I have already been penalized for those two posts, and I know exactly why.
Did you actually read what I wrote?

Jeremy Reyes5 said:Yes, I read it. But I singled you out specifically because of your opening post on this thread.
You spend all this time accusing us of hating the Force character, claiming we’re biased or whatever—it's exhausting.
Basically, you’re defending a fictional character, acting disgusted that someone else doesn't like him, and in the process, you end up insulting another character—and honestly, the users here too.
I’m just trying to figure out which specific post of mine actually broke the rules—since I haven't been penalized for those yet.
I’m attempting to understand what the actual grievance is, especially when this example shows how some of you treat other characters exactly the same way—while the regular users get caught in the crossfire.
I don't care for the Heroine Force character; that’s my opinion, my perspective. It shouldn't be this difficult to accept that Person A, Person B, and Person C see things differently—we don't all view life, or even the show, through the same lens. Or are we all supposed to think exactly alike now? 🤷
I’m struggling to grasp how and when a fictional character became more important than actual people—and our actual feelings.
Did you ever stop to consider how it feels for any of us to read posts where we're labeled as being unhinged, masochistic, hysterical, or unintelligent? (And thank God there are lawyers, economists, and doctors among us—how could we possibly be that dim?) Did you even try to put yourself in the shoes of the real people reading your words? Or is defending a fictional character against so-called "attacks" more important to you than treating the rest of us with basic decency?

Keith Diaz5 said:🤦

I have called on you several times to answer the questions I asked you directly, yet you persistently ignore me.
Don't you dare ask me to repeat the questions, because that would be incredibly rude, even if I were to overlook the fact that you are ignoring everything I have written here.

These are my posts that were likely deleted, which I still have in my private messages since I was penalized for what I wrote (I don't hold a grudge, I see why), and I am putting them here to demonstrate that we aren't all people who spit on Force just because we are fans of the characters and the work.

I haven't watched Ezel; I'm watching Cansa for the first time. I am not a fan of anyone, not even her.
I'm certainly not similar to her character, though in terms of looks... well, let's just say she's been crossed out, if you catch my drift.

I am taking her side simply because I don't have the stomach to read nothing but talk about what a fool she is, what a hysterical bitch she is, how unintelligent she is, and a heap of other words that I mostly hear from hysterical, unintelligent, and similar individuals.
I don't speak about anyone like that in real life, so I generally cringe when I read such things.

While Boran clearly has an obvious problem with anger management, excuses are constantly found for him, whereas Force is spat upon the moment the slightest reason exists.
So I find myself wondering... who is actually obsessed with an imaginary character here?
Is it those who are just waiting to spit on her, or those who defend her unconditionally? At least those people admit they are fans of hers.

I don't even read more than half the posts here anymore; the back-and-forth bickering and little jabs people throw at each other all day long aren't interesting to me at all.
I read the posts of those who actually summarize their impressions and provide reasoned arguments regarding the characters, rather than just "she's a stupid woman," and thank God that Aga finally spoke up—he should have done so sooner.

There are excellent women on this thread whose posts I gladly read regardless of our differing opinions, and I have no problem admitting that in some episodes, Force was the one that messed up.

To me, Aga completely lost standing in my eyes after the episode with Emre; he showed what a brute Mardinska is, and it will be hard for me to ever regain my previous opinion of him.
I am inclined to forgive characters if the writers make them do it, because to me, this is just a show and nothing more, so I generally just keep watching and enjoying it, following the forum and laughing at some posts, agreeing with others or not...

It is truly mind-blowing what one encounters reading through this place and how certain people choose to interpret the show. Even more baffling is the endless repetition—constantly digging up old plot points just to rehash the same arguments, trying to prove they were right all along by dragging Force through the mud for things they’ve already criticized a thousand times before.
Honestly, it is exhausting and frankly quite idiotic to read about the same people, saying the exact same things, over and over again. Some are spitting venom, others are playing defense. And even after some have been kicked out for bans, while others—some cartoonish characters (myself included)—have received warnings, the cycle just continues unabated.

Kudos to the women who get so deeply immersed in hating one specific character that it's the only thing they can talk about—not just once, but repeatedly hammering the same point over and over. But I also have to give credit to the ladies who consistently present their views with actual arguments, reading through all this nonsense time and again. I truly cannot believe some people possess such thick skin.

Regrettably, this Force theme has devolved into one giant joke, which is such a shame... especially since a good number of posts and a significant amount of women participated in it originally.

If anyone reads these posts and thinks I am building an altar to Force, then I truly have no idea who I am, and you all are slowly opening my eyes to that fact. 🤣

Dear Agatha, nothing I have written here was directed at you. I don't have an issue with any of the women in this thread; if I did, I wouldn't have even realized it.☕

The whole situation stems from the atmosphere prevailing over there, making it impossible for those of us trying to be realistic, enjoy the show, and actually comment... and this has been proven yet again because instead of just the Moderators stepping in, a whole legion of people either for or against Force has descended upon us once more.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

Keith Diaz5 said:??
Is that really what I wrote to you all?

To be completely blunt and transparent;
there have been all sorts of comments on this thread (the girls have already quoted them) saying things like she deserved it, she's an idiot, she got what was coming to her, he endures more than anyone else... (honestly, I can't even repeat some of it)
And then there's my comment stating that only women who are just like that, if not worse, would write such things.
I didn't see that those of you who spoke up here actually wrote that. Nor did I mention you or those forum members specifically. I don't deal in that; it is absolutely beneath me.
And the insults toward Boran? 🤣 What can I say... I just continued in a review-style tone on the thread, simply pivoting to someone who isn't even being honored here... just trying to add a little nuance to the whole situation.🤣

I am writing about the constant repetition of the same old thing on this thread, especially when the script isn't even remotely on Boran's side (even though I like him much more than the Force) yet nobody (well, almost nobody, it reminded me of the folks over at Soho 🙏) who have already picked sides will admit it. That's why, to me, this whole thing feels unrealistic, forced, and exhausting to read.

mistytrucker15 wrote what she wrote, and I received my answers. It seems to me you're all just being stubborn for the sake of it. It's not stubbornness toward the Force, nor is it toward me... it's directed at one of the forum members who insulted you in one way or another.
Unfortunately, for those of us who aren't involved in that drama, it isn't sympathetic or interesting; it's just incomprehensible and draining.

ambermason16 said:The only thing I can do is ignore you, because if I actually start, I honestly don't know if I'll be able to stop. I have read all kinds of 🙈 nonsense on this subforum—seriously, anything goes here. But this? This takes the absolute cake.

We have a grown woman having a complete meltdown because people aren't singing praises to some fictional character from some leftist American soap opera in every single post. Apparently, the moderators are taking bribes, too, since they won't just decapitate every snake who dares to say the Force broke her stockings and put their heads on a pike. And it doesn't stop there—she’s spun this entire fantasy into a massive Conspiracy involving the moderators, the users, and even Jimmy Hoffa (look him up ☕), all while insulting everyone like a common thug. Even though the entire legion of female users gave you plenty to think about online, you’re still wasting hours and hours lamenting. And frankly, the whole performance is getting more ridiculous and nonsensical by the minute.

So, no... I am not going to ask you what the question was. I truly couldn't care less.

Gerald Hill2 said:I’m sticking to the Force thread and I don't plan on leaving...
This whole situation—the messy moderation and the suggestion that I should just quit the thread—isn't a solution in my book... 😁

If weird things are happening, they're happening.
People are reporting spoilers that aren't even there.
And then you get these people showing up right at the end of the series whose only purpose is to trash specific characters.
I wrote something about it myself once, and looking back, I guess I was being foolish by letting myself get dragged into it, which led to my ban.
I don't believe in coincidences, honestly...

I don't need help from moderators or anyone else to defend my views. I don't even feel like I was wronged by the mods, provided things are fixed. I just think the rules are way too strict in some areas and totally vague in others. That's actually why I started my own thread, but it didn't really take off, which probably means people on this sub are fine with the rules as they are. And that's okay.
But it isn't right for moderators to tell someone—like, "just leave the thread" or "get out of the sub," as if we wouldn't care if you left...

It’s just sad to see what's considered normal, like saying an insult toward women who were victims of violence during wartime is just the same as saying there's a victim of violence within a marriage... or something along those lines...
It's sad to read claims that a husband doesn't commit force rape, he just takes what belongs to him...
It's sad to read that violence, shouting, or shoving is just a totally normal reaction when a woman won't stop talking...
Even if we are talking about a fictional character who was violated and yelled at...
It’s even sadder if this is viewed as normal behavior that shouldn't face any consequences.

I don't think everyone is against the show *Force*. I'm not looking for a hive mind.
But I do think anyone who spoils things or causes trouble (including me) should be penalized, and just as importantly, those who file false reports, make things up, or write posts that go against actual laws should be held accountable too.

Now, after everything I've been through, I really overthink what to write and whether I should even say anything at all. I feel like every single word is going to be scrutinized to see if it can be misinterpreted just so someone can hit that yellow report button. 😵
I don't have proof, and I couldn't have it even if I wanted to since I'm not a mod, but if it's true—if the same group of people is always reporting a handful of girls—a moderator could easily see that just by checking their own inbox. And I truly believe that's what's happening.

There was this one night where there was a big debate about sexual assault. Someone claimed that for a certain character, what happened was what women experienced in war, rather than calling sex without consent between a husband and wife "rape"—which I guess is a pretty strong word.
And for that discussion, which covered both depicted assaults and the concept of assault in real life (without even talking about future plot points), there were spoiler reports... you could tell by reading the moderator's blue text... I actually think ambermason16 was involved (I checked, and she was)...
Shouldn't that be punishable too?
Reporting someone for spoiling an assault that isn't even explicitly shown on screen—especially when it's clearly implied in the context before and after the scene—is just malicious. Whoever claims they aren't the one stirring the pot is just acting out of spite to push someone out of the conversation.

Gerald Bailey88 said:I’m asking the responsible people on this forum to stop official staff from insulting our members.

I'm not some character from a Dove commercial, and I'm certainly not a dog—so I don't bark, and my way of speaking isn't "nonsense."

If this is how a Moderator is supposed to talk to users, then good luck to you.
I knew I was right—the moderators are at fault. Not all of them, obviously, but some are constantly trying to paint themselves in the best light.
Who are the admins here anyway? I don't know a single one, nor have I had the "honor" of talking to them. I don't see why I'd be afraid. I'm not scared of anyone here... because I haven't done anything wrong.

Speaking of admins, do they even read what the moderators post?
Do they actually agree with the way ambermason16 communicates?

If we aren't allowed to talk about things we find problematic, then this whole thread is pointless.

It's obvious this thread was necessary—even the title shows what the actual issue is: the moderator's conduct, not some soap opera character that the mods are trying to pivot toward—or at least, that's what they want to do.

Gerald Bailey88 said:I’m asking the responsible people on this forum to stop official staff from insulting our members.

I'm not some character from a Dove commercial, and I'm certainly not a dog—so I don't bark, and my way of speaking isn't "nonsense."

If this is how a Moderator is supposed to talk to users, then good luck to you.
I knew I was right—the moderators are at fault. Not all of them, obviously, but some are constantly trying to paint themselves in the best light.
Who are the admins here anyway? I don't know a single one, nor have I had the "honor" of talking to them. I don't see why I'd be afraid. I'm not scared of anyone here... because I haven't done anything wrong.

Speaking of admins, do they even read what the moderators post?
Do they actually agree with the way ambermason16 communicates?

If we aren't allowed to talk about things we find problematic, then this whole thread is pointless.

It's obvious this thread was necessary—even the title shows what the actual issue is: the moderator's conduct, not some soap opera character that the mods are trying to pivot toward—or at least, that's what they want to do.

Jeremy Reyes5 said:I don't usually weigh in on threads like this—not that I have anything specific to complain about.
So I got banned once; big deal. My posts get reported constantly, too—so what?
It’s up to the mods to decide if I’m actually breaking any rules here.
I’m not about to start a drama over it. Personally, I never click that little report triangle, nor will I start now—that’s just not my style, which the mods can easily verify.🙂

It’s pretty easy to see how the show "Force" lost its audience—specifically when the women started migrating away from the thread right after one particular user made her first post there.☕ Most of them moved over to the "Mercy" thread.
The "Force" topic—at least based on my understanding of the rules for this subforum, the "soap factory" section—is meant for discussing the show and its plot.
Sure, people speculate about "what if" scenarios sometimes, but isn't that just part of watching a drama? It’s natural to wonder.🤷 There was plenty of that back-and-forth from almost everyone on the board...
Everyone picks their side. Some chose the character in "Force," some chose Boran, and others—under the guise of "I'm for both"—write long rants just to tear one character down.
At the end of the day, he’s a fictional character. Writing something negative about him doesn't carry the same weight as attacking actual women—real people made of flesh and blood. Yet, you see posts claiming we’re all just mindless followers who only support the lead because he’s well-endowed, telling us to look in a mirror and get a grip.
Should I mention that nobody bothered to start a thread defending the users? Of course not. We aren't fictional characters; anyone can insult us whenever they feel like it, but apparently, the mods feel the need to step in immediately when a fictional character gets criticized.
Organized groups?
Give me a break. That claim is completely baseless. Everyone knows what an organized group is and what they're actually for.
No one "organized" anything; it was just some banter between a few of us who happen to be lawyers by trade. Nothing more.☕
As for my signature—I keep seeing myself being labeled as the leader of some "organized group" in every single complaint thread. 🤣 Honestly, as if I were don Vito Corleone 🤔... I can write whatever I want in my signature; if it violated the site rules, the mods would have handled it.
Regarding PMs, yes, we use private messages, and of course, we can chat there.
We coordinate our shifts 🤷—but how is anyone supposed to know that if we’re doing it through private messages?
And no, we aren't coordinating anything. I refuse to be part of something like that. I once made a joke and wrote, "I'm on duty on this thread today," and I can't believe how badly that was misinterpreted. I just meant I was the only one online.
For God's sake, does anyone actually think we hate a fictional character?
Since I see it’s bothering you, Darling, I’ll take my signature down... But I’m telling you, there are no clans or organizations here. It's absurd; there's no need for it. My opinion isn't a manifesto for a group or a clique; it's just mine. Sure, you'll find people who agree, but that doesn't mean they belong to some secret society.
Opinions change—unless that’s against the rules now?
I've changed mine. Watching the show and discussing it here has actually shifted my perspective. That’s allowed, isn't it? That’s just life. People evolve.

Now I find myself at odds with actress Cansu Dere—and I say that with some irony, considering I used to be her biggest advocate. I spent countless hours translating her interviews and news stories just to satisfy fans like SNOB and dolcevite—which, frankly, wasn't my job, but I did it to be helpful. I even wrote posts praising her incredible range—something anyone can easily verify if they care to look.

When the discussions regarding sexual assault surfaced in the "Oriental Passions" thread, things got ugly. Not a single one of those self-proclaimed truth-seekers actually asked the mods to step in. It was just a collective grievance session over at ambermason16 😁 where everyone complained about everything under the sun. I personally asked that we stop discussing such sensitive topics in that manner, but it fell on deaf ears, so I stopped trying. I won't appeal to people's consciences anymore—I can't control how others think, anyway. (That’s also quite easy to check ☕ )
Back then, I posted this:

Comments like "she had to give in because he has the right to rape her since they're married" (to paraphrase) are the absolute peak of disgusting behavior—it's an assault on a woman's dignity and honor.
As a woman, I found those statements deeply insulting—and I'm sure many other women here felt the same way.

Like I said, nothing changed, so I gave up. You really can't lump me in with the crowd that thinks sexual violence is somehow acceptable.

What I want to know is why people take criticism of a fictional character so incredibly personally.
Why is there this desperate need to defend a character?
Is it perhaps a defense of our own personal values?
We all have our views, but does having them give us the right to police one another?
Can this "defense" go so far that it results in attacking a living human being?
Does anyone consider the emotions of those of us here—we aren't just usernames, we're flesh and blood.
M@3X and I hold completely opposite views, yet I still enjoy reading her posts. Despite our disagreements, I believe we maintain high-quality discussions.
On what basis are people claiming the mods are conspiring against someone or making backroom deals? Where is this coming from?
Look, I've dealt with my fair share of nonsense from the moderation team, so what... I took a deserved ban once.
I could never see myself joining the moderation team. I think they do the best they can with what they have.
I have never filed a complaint against the mods, nor will I ever.

I am not part of any "clique"... I reject that label. I am not in league with the moderators... I reject those insinuations. I am just an ordinary user who follows the rules of this forum.

mistytrucker15 said:Is it just me, or is this whole situation incredibly awkward?

I’m actually one of those controversial names listed in Jeremy Reyes5's signature...
To be honest, I don't personally know any of the other women mentioned there, and I haven't even exchanged a single private message with most of them..

Regarding the moderation duties for this thread?
Do you people honestly believe there are only two other souls in this entire World who find watching this show as existentially vital as you clearly do..?

And the Moderators?
Personally, I've been banned plenty of times, and right now I'm sitting on a massive 100-point penalty... I've definitely tasted the bitterness of being sidelined before..

Since we're laying all our cards on the table, I might as well say this too;
I can't—and frankly, I couldn't care less to try—prove that you are actually Gerald Bailey88, the dear ex Didi..
But since I simply refuse to believe there's anyone else out there so profoundly disconnected from reality, I'm just taking that assumption as a given..
Because of that, I'd say the Force theme turned into what it is today the very moment you had that little cute nervous breakdown of yours, after which you rose from the ashes under this new handle and kept up your ridiculous fight against windmills..
Our "criminal" tendency to band together started as a sort of joke reacting to the mess you created back then..

Truthfully, I don't even want to be part of this debate, and as an adult woman, I feel a good amount of shame over everything happening here..

I'm checking in for one and only one reason,
to stand up for someone who is being targeted by a completely irrational onslaught from a few people who obviously have way too much free time and a total lack of actual life problems—and I'm not sure whether to envy them or pity them..