Complaint against Moderator Zoran Ostric

Jerry Robinson56 said:...Markkonen has a point...

If you mean this:

coppersailor28 said:...I'm not on your side in this thread—since you're wrong. ...

...In my opinion, they're wrong (exactly why these threads exist, exactly what this topic is about...).

I don't read the 'History' PDF, let alone write in there. It's a lack of interest in history combined with insufficient skill to write on such topics...

And if you mean 'has the right to appeal a strike', then obviously they have that right, but the right to appeal should be done in the specific designated thread.

What kind of appeals over a mere 5 penalty points in a thread created specifically for that purpose are you all making?

my dear sister 😁

Those five points aren't the issue; what matters is the vitality of life itself

And no... I am not suggesting 😁one should choose between either A or B

Some people grant far too much leeway—to avoid calling it a total mess in this digital space—instead of actually consulting the data. (To be clear, I am not targeting Zoran; he performs his duties with absolute excellence), yet even with predictive attempts, errors persist.
Experience suggests that regarding his response... well, forget about those five points... just let it go
but this isn't about the score; it's about the principle of injustice. do you see what I mean?

As for that collective thread regarding the card collection... please. I was docked 45 points for using the word "sidekick"—and this was directed at a moderator's assistant who holds moderator status himself 🤣 (that is not an opinion, but a fact)
It was entirely justified from a technical, semantic, and even historical standpoint...
much like the 25 points taken for "idiot"... 🤦

You know, the core issue isn't my desire to be right; it is simply that time invariably proves that I am.
Forgive me for speaking of myself... I merely wish to demonstrate that I have a profound understanding of Markkonen.

I will be traveling quite far away in a week, leaving for a significant amount of time, but I would hope to see some improvement in our dynamics upon my return. Best of luck to everyone.

P.S. Read the business section... then "judge."

P.P.S. Are we really playing this game of collecting cards?

And just like that, Baron Kmezimir Markkonen has been taken out. He wasn't finished off by five legions of Sardaukar, but rather by a lethal accumulation of five totalitarian, communist-style penalty points handed down by Zol Muad'dib Oštreid and the svizac Zelenokaderaš...😢

Jerry Robinson56 said:our sister 😁

ma'am

Jerry Robinson56 said:...it’s not about 5 points, it’s about the will to live...
...this isn't even about points; it's about injustice. You get me?
...
...I just want to show that I understand Markkonen perfectly...

Whatever. Injustice is just a subjective perception of "fairness."

Anyone feeling slighted by a penalty regarding their standing will inevitably label that penalty as "unfair treatment."
I understand that. But there is another side, which feels an equal sense of injustice:

- injustice toward the effort put into ensuring a specific sub-forum (Natural Sciences, History, etc.) remains a reliable source of information with clear topics... injustice toward the work invested here and there... (certain "deviations" from the core vision of one or more moderators—visions that are clearly visible in a positive way on the sub-forums where they are enforced)

- injustice toward temporary leniency, or rather, tolerating things that wouldn't normally be acceptable... ('exploiting' a moderator's temporary patience)

- injustice toward warnings or low-point penalties, if the point count could have been higher... ('ingratitude' from users toward the moderator)

- injustice toward the users who actually follow the moderator's instructions when given... ('moderator ingratitude' toward those users when the moderator overlooks someone 'problematic')

It is much easier for individuals within a group to follow that group's rules than it is to "distribute justice" among individuals to benefit the group as a whole.

Jerry Robinson56 said:...anyway, I'm leaving for a week, going far away, very far, and I won't be around for a while. But I would like to see some changes in how things work when I return. Good luck to everyone...

Far away, very far... 🤔 - to Pittsburgh?

I was there once... but a few miles before you even arrive, there is almost nothing. There is no point going to that wasteland, let alone further...
Better to stay home and help us change the internet.

Jerry Robinson56 said:...so, you jumping back into the trading card game?

Not a chance. I haven't had any luck lately—I doubt I'll ever pull a single card again.

Even my contact @Modesti cut me off from the supply. She's probably still holding a grudge because I didn't reply to her last 'Dear coppersailor28' post. 🤷

lonetrucker4 said:Look, if I were an admin, I’d maybe just wipe that five-point penalty clean so I could give you a fresh ten points for being off-topic instead!

Zoran Ostric, the absolute legend of PZK. 😁

So what now? Another 5 points off for being off-topic. 😵

Jeremy Johnson18 said:...That's another 5 points for going off-topic. ...

😲 😲 😲

What exactly is happening over at "usamljen srce"—a seasonal sale, a promo, Black Friday?

Fine, I'm coming. Just don't try to pass off some counterfeit points or expired ones on me. 🙂

coppersailor28 said:Let’s be honest: "injustice" is nothing more than a subjective interpretation of what one perceives as "justice." It is entirely a matter of perspective.

Your interpretation is honest, I’ll give you that, but it is fundamentally flawed. It’s purely subjective, though I suppose there is some merit to it. lonetrucker4 knows exactly what I mean if he just chooses to aim a little lower.

coppersailor28 said:It is significantly easier for an individual within a group to adhere to that group's established rules than it is to actually "distribute justice" in a way that benefits the collective as a whole. Individual compliance is simple; true equity for the group is a much more complex, often avoided, endeavor.

🐔 Of course...

coppersailor28 said:It feels distant, incredibly far away... 🤔 In Pittsburgh?

The scale of the red zone is quite substantial, stretching from approximately 16° to 160° in both directions. If one is wondering about the specific context here, we are discussing the meridian.

coppersailor28 said:I once found myself in that exact same position. However, after traveling just a few miles in that direction, you realize there is virtually nothing left out there. It becomes an exercise in futility to even trek toward those desolate stretches, let alone attempt to push much further into the void.
It would be far more prudent for you to remain stateside. We require your assistance here if we are ever going to truly overhaul the state of the American internet.

It’s nothing but satellite coverage out there, which makes everything prohibitively expensive, but there is still a certain charm to sending a physical letter. They have some truly exquisite stamps.

coppersailor28 said:Even Miss coppersailor28 seems to be under the impression...It seems we have reached a point of total silence. One can only assume that the lack of discourse is due to the sheer weight of the current circumstances, or perhaps everyone has simply retreated into their own private corners of apathy. It is quite predictable, really. When there is nothing left to say, people tend to vanish. She cut off my supply of that particular line of goods... It’s highly probable she held it against me simply because I failed to acknowledge her last message.Dear coppersailor28,' post 🤷

Miss 🤣 is roughly about times Ludolfof number

I appreciate the attention and the professionalism shown here; I shall maintain this course through even the most dreary days.

Jeremy Johnson18 said:So what now? Another five points gone for being off-topic. 😵

Yeah, whatever, you're right. 🤦

Whatever. It ain't about the points, it's about justice, right? 🙂

lonetrucker4 said:Well, yeah, you're right! 🤦

Anyway, it doesn't matter. It’s not about the points, it's about justice, right? 🙂

Or maybe just personal issues, so you take it out on the community.
But hey, let's not get bogged down by amateurs....

Don't get mad at me, but I guess you always end up being the star of this thread. 😁

Review:

lonetrucker4 said:Fine, it doesn't matter. It isn't about the points anymore, is it? It's about justice, right? 🙂

😁 Oh, please! Just stop doing that ... look, you're talented, and it’s perfectly understandable that you'll slip up. This phase is simply part of the initiation process—an educational trial by fire that you have to endure firsthand to truly learn...
Stop wasting your breath 😉 honestly, who cares about such trivialities? Just let it go. If the ball doesn't roll into place in time, it rolls into place. Most people here aren't even staying on topic, and frankly, you might not even be able to keep up with all of them anyway. 😉

lonetrucker4 said:Well, fair enough, you've got a point there! 🤦

Anyway, let's just drop it. It’s not really about the points anymore, it's more about the principle of the thing, right? 🙂

Honestly, if we're just splitting hairs over the specific wording on a card, then there's really no sense in dragging this out any further. 🙂