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2021 Emilia Romagna GP (Imola) | April 16-18

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graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#301 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Max Verstappen is driving the dominant car

Lewis Hamilton is stuck in a car that’s essentially fighting a Williams for P9

If we follow that line of reasoning, then Max's teammate should be out there battling Alpine for 11th place, shouldn't he?🙏
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#302 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Lewis Hamilton is driving a car that’s basically fighting Williams for P9

This "fighting for P9" thing—is that his actual strategy, or was he just struggling through half the race?
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#303 ·
Roger Wright94 said:This guy fighting for P9—is he always struggling like this, or was he just having a rough half-race?

What does "always" even mean here?

We all know how fast things change in NASCAR—no two races ever feature the exact same car performance.

The only thing that actually matters is the speed during the race we're talking about. Everything else is just tempo pasati.
Joseph Flores15 Joseph Flores15 Active Member
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#304 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Max Verstappen is driving the dominant car.

Lewis Hamilton is stuck in an identical car to the one fighting Williams for P9.

Perez finished 12th—so what does 13th even matter?

The fact is, Max dominated in a machine that isn't even capable of scoring points.🙏
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#305 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:I’m honestly curious about the athletic credentials of people who think like this—people like Amanda Kelly or you. I mean, have you actually put any effort into an organized competition in your life that didn't involve a gamepad? It's funny seeing you talk like this about someone who is literally the first of his kind in history at what he does.

Here he goes again, falling back on those tired ad hominem attacks. (How many times is that now for you on this thread?)

So, come on then, why don't you go ahead and list those legendary "athletic achievements" of yours? 😁 You've definitely piqued our curiosity now. 🍿 (I'm assuming you're just some guy with a chin and a beard. If you can't be Lukica, at least try being interesting.)

As for me, I've spent nearly half my life on tennis courts and in the "organized competitions" that come with them. Is that enough? Or do I need to win Wimbledon before I'm allowed to have an opinion on Luja? 😳

Alright, let's hear what you've actually accomplished, and then we'll decide if you're even qualified to criticize us. 😍
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#306 ·
graniteharbor502 said:By that logic, Max's teammate is currently fighting Alpine just to stay out of last place in the standings. 🙏

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Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#307 ·
Joseph Flores15 said:Perez finished 12th—man, who even cares about 13th?

So basically, Max just crushed it despite driving a car that wouldn't even score points... 🙏

Well, Red Bull actually admitted themselves that Max and the other driver aren't getting identical cars...
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#308 ·
cosmicridge5 said:Here he goes again—just attacking people personally instead of actually talking. (Seriously, what are you even doing in this thread?) >

So, come on then—why don't you share those "expert sports takes" of yours? 😁 You've definitely piqued our curiosity now! 🍿 (I'm half expecting you to show up looking like a grumpy old man from a sitcom. If you can't act like Lukica, at least try to be decent.)

As for me—I've spent nearly half my life on tennis courts and playing in organized tournaments. Is that enough? Or am I supposed to have won Wimbledon just to have the right to think critically about Luja? 😳

Alright, let's hear what *you've* accomplished, and then we'll decide if you're actually qualified to criticize us. 😍

No, but honestly—even if you were just picking up balls or sweeping the courts, you should still understand how much grit and hard work goes into every major success... even without a Wimbledon title. I mean, seeing a tennis player—someone who relies entirely on mental focus—mocking a driver who is clearly trying to regroup after a massive mistake... it really makes you wonder what their motive is.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#309 ·
Joseph Flores15 said:Perez finished 12th. What was 13th again?

So Max dominated even with a car that isn't even scoring points.🙏

A car that "isn't scoring points" just gave Perez his best qualifying result of his entire career.
It also put him about 45 seconds ahead of Bottas during the window when Bottas was still on track.
In that same stretch, Perez's fastest lap was 4.5 seconds quicker than Bottas's best.

Not bad at all for a car that supposedly can't score points.🙂
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
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#310 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:No, but honestly, even if you’re just picking up tennis balls or sweeping the court for someone else, you should probably understand how much grit and sweat goes into reaching the top... without Wimbledon... I mean, mocking a driver who’s clearly trying to refocus after a massive blunder—especially coming from a female player where mental toughness is everything—really makes you wonder what the actual motive behind that is...

I guess your problem is that you don't quite know us well enough yet 😁 to really vibe with our way of communicating. It might be crude, let's be honest, but there isn't any actual malice involved; nobody here is out to hate on Lula or anyone else. If anything, we're actually pretty happy when he manages to dig himself out of the hole he dug for himself, and we'll probably chuckle while watching Max (who we're rooting for) get his blood pressure up over it. (Maybe I'm speaking too much for myself here, but you see what I 😁mean)
Joseph Flores15 Joseph Flores15 Active Member
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#311 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:A race car that isn't even in point-scoring contention just handed Perez his best qualifying result of his entire career.
Furthermore, it gave him roughly a 45-second advantage over Bottas during the period when Bottas was still running.
During that same window, Perez's fastest lap was 4.5 seconds faster than Bottas's fastest lap.

Not bad at all for a car that can't even score points. 🙂

Obviously I'm trolling, but I'm doing it just like you. You know perfectly well that, at worst, the Mercedes is a solid second-fastest car, sitting a full second ahead of the rest of the chasing pack, aside from Red Bull Racing. The fact that Bottas is a complete amateur who falls apart the moment conditions deviate from perfection is a separate issue entirely.

Any driver with even a modicum of talent would have dragged that Mercedes to 2nd place in that situation, and that doesn't diminish the fact that he's a luxury driver and one of the greatest to ever do it.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#312 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:Most of this is just pure misery from haters who were probably already popping champagne when Lewis hit the barrier... I'd pay good money to see those sour faces at the end of the race. 😁


Why even watch a video that’s clearly just fueled by massive hate from the British media? Some obnoxious driver in some random backwater town thinks he can lecture their own Sir Lewis Hamilton.
Watching that race, I honestly thought the NBC crew was going to have a collective heart attack...
I haven't seen any haters more obsessed than the Brits with Sebastian Vettel since that one incident; they clearly can't forgive him or forget it.

The funniest part of this whole mess is Martin Brundle, who was basically worshiping Vettel's driving right before this race...
And now, he's just spitting on him every single chance he gets.

Gary Palmer8 said:Except Red Bull themselves admitted that Max and the other driver aren't getting equal cars...

They might have also mentioned their second driver is the best wingman ever. 🤔
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#313 ·
stormybadger8 said:Why even bother with a video that's just bait for all that British media hate? I mean—some rude driver from some random corner of the world trying to lecture their own Sir Lewis Hamilton? It’s wild.
Watching that race, I honestly thought the NBC crew was going to have a collective heart attack...
I haven't seen this much backlash from the British press since they turned on Sebastian Vettel—they just can't let that one go, no matter how much time passes...

The funniest part of this whole thing has to be Martin Brundle, who was practically singing praises about Sebastian Vettel's driving right before this race...
And then suddenly, he's tearing him apart every chance he gets!

I'm pretty sure you're just making that up because of your obsession with Vettel... the truth is, he didn't really accomplish much once Red Bull Racing became totally dominant, and it's not like he lacked the chances to step up. Since we're talking about it—that was a case where the race car made the champion, not Lewis Hamilton's talent...

As for Vettel's move during the race, it was totally legitimate... and yeah, if Lewis Hamilton messed up his title chances there, well, that's on him. Luckily for him, those Toyotas were basically begging to lose grip on the track...

Nicole still dances the best 😁

They might have even called their other driver the best wingman ever 🤔

They did, but they didn't give him a car capable of hitting the podium right at the start of the season. Honestly, trying to compare Mercedes' team orders to what Alonso, Michael Schumacher, or Vettel dealt with at Red Bull is an insult to anyone with half a brain.

It's like trying to balance a checkbook when you're already thousands in the hole 🤣🤣🤣
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#314 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:remember when you tried to claim 9603 was the same as 9703? 🤣🤣🤣

What kind of sorcery is this?!
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#315 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:What kind of sorcery is this?!

Just some inside talk from the TV forums.
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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#316 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:A race car that isn't even in point-scoring contention just handed Perez his best qualifying result ever.
Plus—get this—it gave him something like a 45-second cushion over Bottas during the stretch when Bottas was still running.
In that same window, Perez's fastest lap was actually 4.5 seconds quicker than Bottas's best.

Not too shabby for a car that’s basically out of the points conversation. 🙂

Look, Perez dealt with a penalty, and he also had that excursion off track.

Did Bottas have any issues at all?
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#317 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Sergio Perez was dealt a penalty, and on top of that, he actually spun out of the race.

I wonder, did Valtteri Bottas run into any issues at all?

George Russell's race car compared to his own machine🙄
If we were looking at a dry track, wouldn't Valtteri Bottas be absolutely flying the moment those tires finally reached their optimal operating temperature?
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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#318 ·
graniteharbor502 said:George Russell's race car was actually faster than his own car 🙄
On a dry track, even Valtteri Bottas would be flying the moment those tires hit their optimal operating temperature.

Let’s not get bogged down in nonsense right now—let's just look at the actual data we have on hand.

Bottas ran without any penalties and without any issues with the car, sitting right ahead of Russell who was chasing him down. His pit stop for tires was a quick 2.2 seconds—not the 4.0 second mess Lewis Hamilton had to deal with. He qualified 8th, and he pretty much gave up right around that position.

Sergio Perez qualified 2nd, but considering he took a penalty and had that spin, his 11th place finish (or whatever happened during the race) doesn't tell us much about how fast that car truly is.

Bottas's qualifying time and his performance through lap 30—regardless of which specific lap it was—actually carry quite a bit of weight here.

If that car were a total beast, he wouldn't have struggled to climb toward the front, even starting from 8th.

So, the hierarchy seems to be Red Bull Racing, then a massive gap, then Mercedes, then another little gap, and then everyone else trailing behind.

And as for Lewis Hamilton setting that fastest lap—during a lap where he had DRS the entire length of the main straight and managed to overtake Lando Norris without even having to fight him through Tabmurelo—well, that doesn't prove anything regarding which car is actually the fastest.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#319 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Let’s not get carried away with speculation right now. We should simply focus on the data we actually have in front of us.

Valtteri Bottas faced no penalties and had zero issues with his race car while maintaining pace ahead of George Russell, who was chasing him down. His pit stop for tires was clocked at a swift 2.2 seconds, which stands in stark contrast to the 4.0 seconds Lewis Hamilton endured. He qualified in 8th, and his retirement occurred very close to that qualifying position.

Sergio Perez secured 2nd in qualifying, but given that he dealt with both a penalty and a spin, his eventual 11th place finish—or whatever position he holds in the race—doesn't really offer much insight into how fast that car truly is.

One cannot overlook the significance of Bottas's qualifying time and his performance through the 30th lap, or indeed any specific lap during that stretch.

If that machine were truly a beast on the track, wouldn't it have found its way toward the front, even starting from 8th?

So, the hierarchy seems to be Red Bull Racing, followed by a significant gap, then Mercedes, then perhaps a brief pause before we encounter the rest of the field.

Furthermore, the fact that Lewis Hamilton managed to set the fastest lap during a stint where he had DRS active along the entire main straight, and managed to overtake Lando Norris without having to extend the battle through Tabmurelo, doesn't actually tell us much about the underlying speed of the car.

If we look back at last season, Bottas was practically invisible during the CNN Turkey Grand Prix. As soon as the rain starts falling, he tends to vanish. Yet, in the very first dry race of this season, his race pace was actually superior to Perez's. We are only two races into the season; can anyone here honestly swear with absolute certainty that Bottas won't find himself on the podium or fighting for the front row in qualifying during the upcoming races?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#320 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Bottas drove without any penalties or car issues, holding his own right in front of George Russell as he hunted him down. His pit stop was a quick 2.2 seconds—not the 4.0 second disaster Lewis Hamilton had to deal with. He qualified 8th, which is pretty much where things fell apart for him.

Perez grabbed P2 in qualifying. Between that penalty and his spin, finishing 11th—or whatever spot he actually lands—doesn't tell us much about how fast that car really is.

Bottas's qualifying time and his performance up to lap 30—specifically which lap he hits those marks—actually matter quite a bit.

If that car were actually a beast, they wouldn't be struggling just to reach the top, even finishing eighth.

So it’s Red Bull, then nothing for ages, then Mercedes, then a quick breather before everyone else finally shows up.

Looks like we’ll be stuck debating the performance of that Mercedes race car until the season wraps up.
All this just to protect Lewis Hamilton's reputation. And, I guess, to shield every single one of his hard-fought wins and championships along the way.

This post is actually a solid contribution—decent, well-argued, and everything it needs to be. 👍

gentlemoose57 said:Bottas didn't have any penalties or car issues, so he just sat there ahead of George Russell, letting him hunt him down. His pit stop was a quick 2.2 seconds—not the 4.0 second disaster Lewis Hamilton had to deal with. He qualified 8th, which is pretty much where he ended up when he eventually retired.

Bottas's qualifying time and his performance through lap 30—it all matters, regardless of which lap it happens on.

If that car were actually a beast, they wouldn't be struggling just to break into the top eight.

This car is an absolute beast. The only question is whether you're actually blind to it, or just refusing to admit it.
Was Bottas actually having a good weekend? Honestly, I wouldn't bet on it. There’s always that possibility, but I'm not holding my breath.
All I know is what they're saying over at the Mercedes camp. They’re blaming everything on the fact that they just can't get Valtteri Bottas's tires up to the right racing temperature. Their line is basically: "As soon as we actually get those tires warm, Bottas will perform just as well as Lewis Hamilton. The only difference is the rubber, nothing else."

gentlemoose57 said:So, it’s Red Bull, then nothing for ages, then Mercedes, then a tiny breather before everyone else catches up.

I'm going to remember that one. I'm filing it away for good.
When it comes to Lewis Hamilton's fanbase, they've definitely stepped up compared to the old Prost crowd. At least their takes have some actual substance and precision behind them now. As for the others who play it safe by staying silent? I won't even bother mentioning them.

So, that's your take?
Red Bull Racing has a massive edge over Mercedes right now.
Red Bull Racing's edge over Mercedes is actually wider than the gap between Mercedes and either McLaren or Ferrari.

All you need to do now is put some actual numbers to this—give me the lap times or even just tenths of a second.

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