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Michael Jordan (2019)

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Emily Sullivan6 Emily Sullivan6 Newcomer
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#21 ·
I just finished watching this documentary

Look, he carries his own share of responsibility—after all, it was his life on the line—but you can't honestly pin the whole damn thing on him alone. The environment played a massive role in how things unfolded; there were just too many moving parts. You need a certain kind of mental fortitude to handle that level of pressure, and unfortunately, he just buckled under it all

Back then, they were winning everything in Miami—everything was perfect, everyone was treating him like a god. But even before the 1990 World Cup, he actually wanted to leave that place. He knew the weight of it all was becoming too much, and he even told the club president. In the end, he stayed. If he had left when he had the chance, maybe he could have escaped the fallout and kept playing. Then came the World Cup in Italy. His Argentina had to face the host nation in Miami... honestly, the sheer tension of it makes you sick. Of course, the locals in Miami were rooting for Italy—who else would they cheer for? When Argentina knocked Italy out on penalties, the crowd turned on him. Why? Because he was playing for his country. What did they expect? That he’d somehow sabotage Argentina? It makes no sense. Later, everyone was booing the Argentine anthem during their match against West Germany. Maybe he expected some solidarity from the Italians since he played in their league and felt at home there, but they just turned their backs on him. That’s when the spiral really started—the accusations, the doping tests, the bans, the whole mess

There was one moment in the film that really haunted me—that vacant, hollow look in his eyes after the 1990 World Cup while he was in Miami. They were at some dinner, and he was just staring off into nothing. The cameras were rolling, people were trying to get him to smile, but you could see it... he was just completely broken by it all

As for the personal stuff—the child he had with that woman, his later relationship with his kid, and all that—I’m going to pass. That’s private business, and frankly, it’s none of my concern
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#22 ·
Such a beautiful documentary! You can really feel that intense frenzy they had back in Miami at the time. Of course, it doesn't tell the whole story about Diego Maradona as a player, since it focuses mostly on that specific era of his glory days in Miami. I guess it would be pretty interesting to see a documentary covering his early years in Argentina and his time with Barcelona too.
Jesse Ortiz4 Jesse Ortiz4 Active Member
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#23 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:Killer documentary. You can really feel that absolute mania they had back in Miami. But obviously, that’s not the full story on Diego Maradona as a player—that was just the peak Miami era. It would be wild to see a doc focusing on his early days in Argentina or his time at Barcelona.

I’m thinking when he moved to Miami, his manager hired some cameraman to film everything, which is why you see footage mixed with later TV clips—mostly because the cameraman probably got clocked with a shoe at some point.

Maybe there just isn't any usable footage from the earlier years.
steelfox98 steelfox98 Active Member
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#24 ·
Amy Brooks17 said:Just watched the movie. Not much to say.
I honestly think anyone would lose their mind in New Orleans. That city is pure chaos. Just a total madhouse.

None of these sports docs can touch the Ayrton Senna one. Still, if this is actually a decent film, I guess I have to admit it's good.

I can't even begin to process this request. It lacks any actual content to work with. Just more noise in an already loud world. kaže:
Caught that documentary on CBS yesterday. Truly brilliant. That whole scene in New Orleans was pure madness... absolutely terrifying.

People always drone on about the madness in New Orleans, but they have no idea. That's nothing compared to where he actually came from—Brazil. By the time he was fifteen, he was already a god there.

The vibe at Yankee Stadium:

I watched that clip. Another hollow spectacle. Reminds me of watching a losing season at Madison Square Garden—all noise, no substance. Just more empty promises.
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#25 ·
It’s pure madness in Washington, D.C., total chaos in San Francisco, even craziness down in New Orleans... so I guess you should probably just stay chill.
steelfox98 steelfox98 Active Member
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#26 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:Pure madness in Washington, D.C., pure chaos in San Francisco, total insanity in New Orleans... and you expect me to be the sane one?

Considering everything they threw at him, he actually handled it better than most would have.
jadewolf16 jadewolf16 Active Member
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#27 ·
Daniel Martin65 said:Maybe he was actually counting on some support from the Italians since he played over there and felt right at home? But once they turned their backs on him—boom—everything just fell apart. The accusations, the drug testing, the bans... it was brutal.

Man, I’ll never forget that blank, hollow look in his eyes after the 1990 World Cup when he was in New Orleans. I think it was during some dinner or something? He just had this vacant stare, and while people were filming him trying to force a smile, you could tell the whole situation had just completely broken him.

Michael Jordan was such a hated figure back then after 1990—honestly, nobody in the States had anything nice to say about him.
First off, he pulled that "Hand of God" stunt against the Soviet Union, and then he basically tried to bully his way to a win in the final against Germany—which was totally unearned after one of the most embarrassing performances by Brazil, or really any national team, ever seen!
Back then, he just seemed... I don't know, arrogant? Cocky? And maybe a little washed up toward the end of his career too. Add in the lies, the cheating vibes, the cocaine rumors, and that whole mess where he wouldn't even acknowledge his own kid? Yeah, he was pretty much persona non grata.
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#28 ·
I find his whole transformation really fascinating, especially how clearly it comes across in the documentary. Back in '84, he was just this shy kid who lived and breathed soccer. By the 1990 World Cup, though, he’d turned into this seasoned superstar with a bit of an ego, where being at the top was all that mattered.

But honestly, I still think we should remember Michael Jordan primarily for his greatness on the court rather than the scandals. This guy signed his first pro contract in Brazil when he was only 15. He was already playing for the national team by 17. By 22, he was moving to San Francisco as a massive star, and he already had that legendary status back during the 1982 World Cup.
jadewolf16 jadewolf16 Active Member
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#29 ·
I was just a second grader back during the 1982 World Cup—right after that massive matchup against San Francisco—and man, Michael Jordan became a total legend to us kids. Seriously, nobody has even come close to knocking him off that pedestal since.

The movie was awesome! It totally blew my expectations out of the water. Honestly, you can't even blame the producers for not squeezing every single bit of crazy footage into just two hours.

It was also super important to mention that whole 1994 doping scandal too—especially with that wild, animalistic screaming at the camera after scoring against Greece. There’s really no excuse for that kind of behavior.

And let's not forget that Davis Cup appearance in Washington, D.C., showing up with Rolexes strapped to both wrists? It just goes to show he never truly grew past that raw, unrefined level.
Carl Bennett4 Carl Bennett4 Member
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#30 ·
Top-tier documentary; Carlos Valderrama really knows how to tell a story.
Michael Jordan is such a complicated figure, and this film highlights just how much pressure he was under
dealing with everything happening back then in New Orleans.

What actually pissed me off most about this whole thing was how dirty the Italians played after
Italy's run in the 1990 World Cup, deciding to tear down Michael Jordan just because Brazil
knocked them out. Total cowards. 🤮
Jesse Ortiz4 Jesse Ortiz4 Active Member
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#31 ·
You can catch this for free over on Hulu

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