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Participants Aaron Jones87stormytiger4Tyler Vaughn7quietpilot23Donna Doyle2jadetiger962Chris Grant3Michelle Evanswanderingcanyon61mistyhound94rustydrifter10Zachary Mendoza2dustypilot11Megan Hernandez2
wanderingcanyon61 wanderingcanyon61 Member
11 messages
joined Mar 2020
#21 ·
I’m standing firmly against the perm ☕ Honestly, someone who has been contributing to this forum since 2008 shouldn't be losing their status just because a small group of current chatty users doesn't like them on a specific thread. It's not fair to any part of the ☕
community. This forum shouldn't be punishing long-term, dedicated members. The reality is that younger generations aren't really using forums as their main way to communicate anymore, so if we drive away the people who actually keep this place alive today, the whole site is going to fade away ☕
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mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active Member
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#22 ·
wanderingcanyon61 said:I'm against granting admin status ☕ I guess someone who's been posting here since 2008 shouldn't get an admin role just because some small group of current chatters doesn't like them. Not even partially ☕
This forum shouldn't be punishing long-term active members, because newer generations don't really use forums for communication anymore, and if you drive out today's regulars, the whole thing collapses ☕

And what does the forum actually lose by giving a partial or full admin role to a veteran member just because they messed up somewhere? 🍿
Are people going to stop posting just because one of those old-timers isn't around? Even more famous people have had partial roles or admin spots, and somehow the forum still survives. 😁
And honestly, you, just like her, aren't even really present on the US chat anymore, so it's not like you're contributing much outside of the chats—and there are plenty of chats all over the internet, so the forum would function just fine with or without you. 😁
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 NewcomerOP
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#23 ·
It would have been perfectly reasonable if someone had actually explained why I received a partial ban alongside those disputed posts. But when a moderator sends an explanation claiming they issued a penalty based on some vague complaints—without even bothering to read the chat (I’ve already forwarded their "explanation" to upper management)—it stops being moderation and starts feeling like a complete joke and a power trip.
Furthermore, today he ignored several clearly offensive posts (and likely did the same in the past), yet feels perfectly entitled to call me a slur or throw out the insults I listed on the previous page. Those were just a few examples of the endless stream of abuse I’ve dealt with in that chat while everyone else just looks the other way.
I haven't insulted ANYONE in that thread. If I have, then please, step up and report my specific post. Everything directed at me by others was absolutely disgusting, though I do maintain good rapport with most users there. I would truly appreciate it if someone took the time to actually read the logs, but apparently, it's much easier to hand out penalties based on guesswork—after all, others have done it, so why shouldn't he? They don't like me anyway, so who cares if there's no evidence or actual argument behind it? If things are going to be handled this way, then issuing a permanent ban would be the least of his concerns, because honestly, given the sheer amount of toxicity I've endured, I probably deserve one.
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 NewcomerOP
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#24 ·
Thanks for the vote of confidence, though I don't know what to say... It’s a nice gesture, truly, but it’s pretty obvious the odds are stacked against me here.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#25 ·
Aaron Jones87, I actually got the notification for that chat last week, so I decided to take some time to really dive in and scroll through everything—reading almost every single post, including yours. Even though you aren’t exactly a regular on the main subforums, you are by far the most active person in those chat threads. Just to give some context on how we handle things: every individual PDF has its own dedicated chat because they're designed for the core group of users there to have a more relaxed space to hang out without cluttering up the main discussion topics. It’s basically a spot for the "locals" to socialize, usually staying somewhat related to the main subject of the board. Occasionally, people who don't normally post on the boards will pop into the chat, though sometimes folks join without the best intentions. I won't sit here and question your motives, but what I can say is that your presence tends to dominate in a pretty negative way.

I did a little digging into the numbers: on the Recreation board, you have 1,522 posts, and an incredible 1,499 of those are in the chat threads. Looking at your total history on the forum, you've written 57,489 posts (though many were likely deleted, and some were in sections that don't count toward the tally, like the Off-topic areas, given that the number next to your username sits at 47,046). I went through manually to see how much of that was in chats and similar threads, and I landed on roughly 46,500—it’s probably even higher since I wasn't being hyper-precise and skipped the boards where you barely post. All this just goes to show that, fundamentally, you aren't really a constructive member of the community; your entire base is centered around chats and lighthearted threads that are generally loosely moderated, where conversations are freer and people tend to push boundaries more often.

What I noticed in the Recreation chat is your classic *modus operandi*: you quote someone else, start throwing shade, act difficult, and lean into being provocatively unpleasant just to ramp up the tension. You sort of poison the well, and then, once someone finally snaps and gets blunt or insults you, you come running to complain about how you're being unfairly attacked for no reason at all. But there *is* a reason; it’s just subtle, and you really have to read more than two posts to see the full picture and understand the context.

I’ve gone through and pulled your posts that I believe the supermoderators and moderators should essentially issue warnings for. Look, a little bit of poking and prodding in a chat might slide, but when you drop fifteen instances of that kind of behavior in just a few days, we have a serious problem. I agree that we need to penalize those who end up insulting you in response, but at some point, we have to draw a line to prevent these cycles from continuing.

I've lost track of which board this is or how many times you've tried to play the victim. Theoretically, it’s impossible for you to be right every single time while everyone else around you is inexplicably attacking you and acting poorly. It isn't like that; we’ve proven that every time we take a closer look at an appeal. You’ve developed a reputation for this behavior, and anyone who has encountered you in one corner of the site knows exactly what to expect when they see you popping up somewhere else.

The supermoderator and I have agreed on a partial ban, and the moderator is on board with it too. Honestly, a permanent ban wouldn't even sound bad to me, but this decision is well-earned and isn't just some spiteful move on our part to get back at you. Within this year alone, you've racked up enough points to justify a permanent ban, regardless of whether current warnings are still active. I am almost always willing to give someone another chance, but for that to be an option for you, you have to be self-aware enough to realize how toxic your style of interaction is, and you have to be willing to change it quickly and thoroughly. I'm not sure how realistic that expectation is, especially after all the appeals and explanations right here on the Natural Science board, which clearly haven't made an impact. Even us mods in this section were discussing a partial ban for you before the whole Recreation situation even broke out. Handing out partial bans and fighting the same battles over and over again makes no sense, and it certainly isn't fair to the rest of the community.
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 NewcomerOP
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#26 ·
To be perfectly honest, rustydrifter10, I didn't even finish reading your excuses for the injustice being systematically leveled against me. You’ve clearly put quite a bit of effort into trying to whitewash the situation. Look, I’m certainly not claiming to be a saint, but what you all have been doing to me lately—hand on heart—is just wrong. And you, of course, are more than capable of justifying it by digging up my past mistakes and dragging my statistics through the mud.
I’m asking you, quite simply, to issue a permanent ban or the longest suspension possible. There’s no need for an explanation; I appreciate the effort, but I’m not an idiot. I see exactly what’s playing out here, so please, just do me this one favor.
Don't bother moderating all those posts where people are attacking me in that chat; I truly couldn't care less about them. My only concern is that you do me this one service I'm requesting. Thanks.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jul 2010
#27 ·
My heart breaks over this tragedy... But, while Natural Science stands, there will be justice and accountability! Therefore, to the young lady, in accordance with her burning desire, I sincerely offer an infinite debt parcel to Natural Science. 🙂
dustypilot11 dustypilot11 Member
33 messages
joined Nov 2010
#28 ·
The days of measuring how "helpful" someone is on a forum are long gone. Now, all those "constructive" threads just die off while everyone moves to private chats to swap info. Even the regulars from the hobby section barely touch other topics anymore. You can actually get useful advice in the chats, though.

Since we're on the subject, if I can ask—why didn't I get a partial payout based on the same logic?

Zachary Mendoza2 said:My heart honestly breaks for this tragedy... But, as long as Natural Science is around, there'll be both justice and total favoritism! So, to this young lady, following her burning desire, I'm wholeheartedly gifting her an endless partial debt at NS. 🙂

And why the hell are the mods out here trolling? Nothing more, nothing less.🤔
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 NewcomerOP
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#29 ·
Please go ahead and issue me the longest ban possible. As far as I’m concerned, you can just lock this thread and be done with it.
Megan Hernandez2 Megan Hernandez2 Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2013
#30 ·
Dammit...

I this is what this forum has come to...🕺

If that's how you want to play it, all I can say is good luck.
Aaron Jones87 Aaron Jones87 NewcomerOP
6 messages
joined Feb 2015
#31 ·
Let me be clear.
I am requesting a ban for the longest duration possible, and as far as I’m concerned, you can just lock this thread.
If you aren't willing to grant me a permanent ban, then make it two years—that is the minimum timeframe I am looking for. Anything less isn't worth my time. I have no intention of changing who I am, "fixing" myself, or giving any of you another opportunity to harass me or enjoy yourselves at my expense.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#32 ·
So, we're looking at a two-year wait. I really, truly hope that by the time we get there, things will have shifted for the better and we'll all be a little bit wiser and more sensible than we are now.

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