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Greta Thunberg

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Steven Perez60 Steven Perez60 Member
12 messages
joined Jan 2018
#21 ·
lonetrucker4 said:If Nina R. were on the History subreddit, he wouldn't last five minutes. And as for the Politics sub? I'm not even gonna guess.

🤣
There’s nothing left to talk about—this is basically a summary of the state of affairs on the biggest forum in America.

That actually reminded me of this one conversation I heard once—I’ll paraphrase it though, just so I don't have to drop any names:
Even Joseph Stalin wouldn't have been able to pull off censorship this efficient.
Đuro: What kind of nonsense sentence is that? You should’ve just said, "Even Joseph Stalin would be ashamed"—now that actually makes sense. It implies that even Joseph Stalin occasionally felt some shame regarding other people's censorship, but he wouldn't be embarrassed by this. As it stands, what's the point? None.

Exactly. It’s honestly pointless. Like I said, there's no point even trying to have a real conversation with people who think any attempt at actual intelligence is just some kind of aggressive trolling.
Carl Rodriguez5 Carl Rodriguez5 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jan 2017
#22 ·
I’ve been away from the forum for quite some time. I tend to drift in and out, just floating along, but this... this is so absurd it actually offends common sense.

Does this even qualify as hate speech?:
That Greta Thunberg was born into a world of abundance, a world built by the hard work and grit of previous generations. Who is this brat to lecture anyone about anything?

Including extra commentary emphasizing the word brat and what seems to be pure animosity toward any young people who dare to challenge their elders?!
Hello? Seriously?

lonetrucker4 said:A criminal complaint implies much stricter criteria, because the possible sanctions are significantly heavier.

No, no, no, and once again: NO.

Hate speech is a crime. Period.
There is no such thing as a gradation where someone says, "Oh, that's just minor hate speech," versus "This is real hate speech and needs prosecution."
The court is the entity that determines the range of sentencing, but hate speech itself is always a criminal matter.

Since you’ve accused this person of nothing less than committing a crime—as a true legalist and fighter for justice, you really should ensure their offense doesn't just slide by. If you aren't willing to pursue criminal charges, the bare minimum you and Reddit should do is contact his ISP's abuse department to prevent him from committing further (alleged) crimes on this forum, and to protect the rest of us from the hate speech we've apparently been exposed to according to you.

By the way, when you accuse someone of a crime they didn't commit, that is its own crime—defamation.

It is completely baffling to me how someone so deeply biased is allowed to moderate this forum.

lonetrucker4 said:Nina R. wouldn't last long in a PDF titled History, and as for a PDF titled Politics, I won't even speculate.

On this, I can only repeat my previous sentence:
It is completely baffling to me how someone so deeply biased is allowed to moderate this forum.

People who are ideologically on the opposite side of yours, using much milder rhetoric, are regularly kicked off this forum via bans, yet you are permitted to moderate. And of course, you do ban.

Your moderation makes about as much sense as having an LA Galaxy fan act as the head referee for a game between the Lakers and the Yankees.

Anyway, there’s no point in dragging this out because things are what they are, and absolutely nothing is going to change. Nothing has happened here that hasn't been warned against dozens of times before.

Keep destroying the forum; you're doing it so successfully it would almost be a shame to stop now.
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
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joined Jan 2021
#23 ·
bluemason3 said:Being neurodivergent doesn't mean being stupid—stop putting words in my mouth.

I know plenty of people with Asperger's, or anywhere else on the spectrum—way more than half my life has been spent around them (my mother, a roommate, a college mentor, and a few acquaintances)—so I really don't need a lecture on their strengths and weaknesses.

They can be hyper-successful at whatever they hyper-focus on, but things like metacognition, breadth of vision, grasping complex social dynamics, or stress tolerance (which is often made worse by comorbidities like epilepsy), etc.—yeah, those are usually a mess. Great for niche, specialized roles; terrible leaders. I’d hire someone with Asperger's as a programmer, but never as the head of that department. They tend to be incredibly obsessive and single-minded—sometimes even aggressive fanatics about their fixations, unable to see anything beyond their own noses.

Cognitive ability is about more than just solving specific tasks. Metacognition is a cognitive ability, too.

Besides, I deal with depression myself, so I definitely don't need anyone explaining whether it impairs function or not.😉

Also, I think I read somewhere—maybe it was her or her family or whoever—that she's actually developmentally delayed because of all her issues, and that she physically looks younger than her age, or something like that. I don't recall exactly.

But look, even the most developed 16-year-old is still cognitively limited; the neurological development of key brain regions for these things doesn't wrap up until about age 25. It's a simple biological fact—nothing to debate here.

You're defending the indefensible. The only reason a kid with that many struggles would try to lecture experienced adults is through activist emotional manipulation; it's not about informing people or having a serious intellectual debate—that's just impossible.

You're defending the indefensible because you lack actual arguments. Bringing up "diagnoses" is totally irrelevant to the point and proves nothing. Honestly, there are tons of adults—including politicians—who have way more personal issues than Greta Thunberg, yet nobody starts a massive crusade against them when they spout nonsense or put on a public circus. And that's not by accident.😁 It's just that a young, sharp, capable woman is hitting people right where their political and economic interests live, and it's driving them crazy with jealousy!🎉
Some "cultures" just flat-out ignore young people because they underestimate their intellect, and they haven't even learned how to value them since they grow up in societies that worship old geezers in pulpits and political offices while shoving kids toward the exit as fast as possible. So, of course, young people's outbursts just get mocked.😁 But this girl comes from a different culture where youth perspectives are actually respected—and obviously, the future belongs to the young, for better or worse.👍 It's just that they won't admit they didn't choose this mess, so if they're forced to clean up everyone else's garbage, they should at least have the right to say what they think about it!
If you honestly think Greta Thunberg is out there just to engage in "intellectual debates," then you’ve clearly missed the entire point of her activism—not that I expected much. Go ahead—take your little "arguments" elsewhere.👎
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#24 ·
placidorca16 said:Honestly...

Hey, this isn't actually a thread for debating Greta Thunberg—rather, the question at hand is what John Wayne submitted to the moderators. It seems to me that, whether by accident or otherwise, 😉 you all are deviating from the actual topic, which includes the moderator Oštrić.
Let's just stop right here; there is a separate thread dedicated to "near politics." That is where people were asking—and are still asking—for the relevant moderators to respond to the inquiry made in the very first post.
Peter Reyes33 Peter Reyes33 Newcomer
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#25 ·
Basta. said:You must be thinking of that Greta girl—the one who can't even pull off a basic stunt without a script and someone like Luise-Maria Neubauer there to hold her hand... ☕

Oh, man... did you see that script? Seriously, did you actually watch it? Of course you’re just talking nonsense and spinning some wild conspiracy theories—it’s clearly just because you can’t find a single way to debunk the facts she’s laying out right there...

Noah Fowler3 said:Come on, explain to me—what exactly does Greta Thunberg know that some random guy on a forum doesn't?... 🍿

Look, can you actually explain to me why you're struggling to just read what the guy wrote? It’s pretty obvious—he clearly hasn't got a clue about global warming and is just throwing around random conspiracy theories like they're gospel... honestly, it's a bit much.

Anyway, this is all getting pretty far off-topic now... The guy finally got his answer as to why he was banned.
ruggedfox6 ruggedfox6 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2019
#26 ·
This thread has officially lost its mind.
To quote the legendary Robert Downey Jr.:
"you never go full retard"...
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#27 ·
Paul Kern12 said:Hey, this isn't actually a debate about Greta... it's really just asking what John Wayne sent to the moderators. It feels like you might be—intentionally or not--😉 derailing the thread, and even the moderator Oštrić seems involved.
Just stop right there, there's already a thread for "near-politics." People were looking for (and are still looking for) an answer from the mods regarding the inquiry in the first post.

Let me break this down point by point, since that’ll be my only response here...

1. One of the fundamental rules of the site is that you don't complain about someone else's warnings, and another is that you don't start new threads over a warning because there's already a dedicated spot for that. Timothy Nelson5 could have easily started his own thread in the complaint section or just used the "Warnings" thread.

2. John Wayne knows this better than anyone, considering he had a few posts wiped recently and even caught a warning himself for those exact reasons.

3. Even though he broke the rules, Wayne's question was actually framed fairly (I'm pretty sure he's trolling a bit, but he does it subtly enough), and he might have actually gotten an answer if the thread hadn't been "spammed"... which brings up another question, how did you not notice the same thing happening until the people opposing Wayne's, Timothy Nelson5's, or your views showed up?

4. The mods are only obligated to respond to civilized inquiries. Wayne's was fine, but the thread spiraled into something else almost immediately. This toxic, Stalinist-style forum is one of the rare ones that actually allows these kinds of discussions and even has a sub-forum for appeals, so users can whine there if they want, but whining won't get them an answer.

5. If people weren't constantly spamming or having the same handful of misunderstood souls jumping in, answers would probably be more frequent. So, if you—or anyone else—actually wants an answer to something, I suggest next time you tell the people on your side to stop trolling and spamming before you ask. Or don't.
Honestly, if Timothy Nelson5 had opened the thread himself, he definitely would have gotten an answer to a question phrased like that, provided the spammers didn't crash the party. John Wayne would probably get an answer too because he asks politely, even if I don't quite get why he suddenly felt the need to play defense attorney for penalized users when he knows he's breaking the rules.

If you guys prefer things this way, then don't expect any answers. If someone truly wants an answer or a real discussion where we might find some common ground, they should take it up with the very people who are preventing it. As long as the thread keeps getting flooded by people with political biases, hordes of clones, or people getting banned for insulting mods via DM... well, sorry, but that's just how it is.
ruggedfox6 ruggedfox6 Newcomer
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#28 ·
That first point is actually quite fair... he could have just started a thread on KZB.
I did, and it's still sitting there without an answer.
By bringing it up here, I end up looking like I'm just spamming or trolling instead of using the proper channels.😁

Maybe I have a skewed perception of how moderation should work, but it seems to me that if you have the drive to hand out penalties, you should also have the drive to actually respond when people complain or ask for clarification. I don't know, don't bother being a moderator if it's such a chore...
Peter Reyes33 Peter Reyes33 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Basta. said:
LOL, what kind of video is this even supposed to be? So they ask Greta Thunberg one single question, she gives her answer, and now suddenly that's "proof" she wasn't following a script? Give me a break... Seriously? She gets grilled with hundreds of questions every single day—and we all just assume there’s a script for everything else—but apparently, for this one specific moment, she was just winging it? Please...

lonebadger6 said:This nasty little Stalinist-style forum is actually one of the few places left on the planet that even allows this kind of freedom—we've even got an entire sub-forum dedicated specifically to grievances. So, by all means, users can come here and whine all they want... but don't expect anyone to actually bother answering you.

They aren't going to get an answer, but instead, the forum is just going to ship them off to work in Siberia...
Rachel Cooper3 Rachel Cooper3 Active Member
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joined May 2014
#30 ·
Carl Rodriguez5 said:Regarding this, I can only reiterate my previous point:
It is utterly baffling to me how anyone so deeply entrenched in their own ideology is permitted to moderate this forum.

The owner of this site shares that sentiment 🤷

lonetrucker4 said:Nina R. wouldn't last long in any discussion regarding history, and as for politics—I won't even bother guessing.
.

I am well aware that democracy isn't exactly the strong suit of this platform, but at least there used to be some attempt at hiding how you moderate history and politics. 🤣
Lawrence Booth2 Lawrence Booth2 Regular
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joined Sep 2022
#31 ·
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, honestly
but man, am I shocked
😁
Jeremy Gray44 Jeremy Gray44 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2019
#32 ·
lonetrucker4 said:Honestly, this feels like straight-up hate speech, and I’m not just talking about the vitriol aimed at Greta Thunberg, but really anyone in the younger generation who gets out there and actually participates in these movements. It seems like whenever young people try to step up and offer any kind of critique regarding the world they're inheriting, they get shut down immediately. It’s like the attitude is, "Hey, stay in your lane, you little kids," because apparently, the world is just so perfect, beautiful, and flawless thanks to all those "previous generations" who supposedly built it. It's pretty wild how some people think youth have no business questioning anything!

I honestly feel like talking about hate speech is just as much of a stretch as trying to find actual honesty in politics. What we’re seeing here is just rational criticism, which clearly clashes with the moderator's personal opinions—something that happens way too often on Reddit where they tend to crack down on anyone who doesn't fall in line. It usually follows that same old pattern: if you don't agree with them, you're automatically the enemy.

So, if we’re saying sixteen-year-olds don't have the right to vote, then I guess they don't have the right to offer any criticism either, right? But honestly, where do we draw the line on that? It makes me wonder, if I were sixty-two years old today, could I just turn to someone who’s maybe forty and say, "Hey kid, you don't get to criticize the world my generation built"? It feels like a slippery slope when you start thinking about it that way! 🤔 So, I was just thinking about what Joža Manolić would say if he were around today—he’d probably look at anyone under 90 years old and just call them a total brat! It's funny how things change, isn't it? One minute you're feeling young, and the next, according to some old-school logic, you're practically a toddler just because you haven't hit that nine-decade milestone yet. Just a little thought floating around in my head while I enjoy my morning coffee! 🤣

So, if you actually manage to pull that off, what’s even the big deal? I mean, why the sudden urge to go after someone with sanctions? It honestly makes me wonder if your go-to move is just throwing out those classic ad hominem attacks whenever things get interesting.

So, moving on, the author is basically claiming that Greta Thunberg is being manipulated by certain adults because she’s out there criticizing grown-ups. He goes on to brag about how he raised his own brilliant daughter so well that she doesn't even think about criticizing anyone—which, if you ask me, is his big "gotcha" moment. Like, is that supposed to be the ultimate proof that no manipulation is happening? That if a kid follows the rules and stays quiet, they must be thinking entirely for themselves? It’s a pretty wild leap in logic, don't you think? 🤔

Look, I think she’s been manipulated a bit, but honestly, it still brings up a bigger question: why aren't we allowed to just state our opinions on this forum? Is it because the moderator doesn't agree with what's being said? It feels like that's where we're headed.
Even if the little one hasn't been manipulated, can you actually prove that to the moderator? I mean, really, where's the evidence? If he can't provide some kind of proof, should we just go ahead and ban him? Though, honestly, we probably can't—he's basically a god around here.

I mean, I remember back when I was about sixteen, I started voicing my own little critiques about the world around me—there was this whole drama involving the student newspaper at my high school. Back then, in 1973, they actually tried to claim I was being manipulated, labeling me as some kind of victim of bourgeois revisionists or nationalists or something along those lines (my dad even got called into the principal's office for a serious talk!). So, I guess I’ve developed a bit of a permanent allergy to that kind of reverse logic, even after nearly half a century has passed. But honestly, it isn't unusual at all for the youth to push back against the establishment; if anything, I think it's more than just normal—it's actually pretty necessary! 👍

Honestly, I’ve been sitting here wondering—was it really necessary to toss someone like that straight into Alcatraz just for voicing their opinion? It feels a bit much, doesn't it?
If so, why even bother questioning it? The guy is just expressing his own opinion—it’s exactly what he thinks. It’s not like anyone is forcing the moderators to jump on board and agree with him, right?

This is it. That’s just straight-up manipulation—a blatant, heavy-handed lie if I ever saw one.It’s honestly exhausting seeing people just copy-paste blatant lies from websites designed specifically to spread hysteria, claiming there's no such thing as global warming and insisting the whole world is doing just fine; you see this most often here in the States, especially coming from folks tied to the Republican Party. If you take just a few minutes to actually sit down and Google "climate change consensus 97%", you'll quickly realize that this whole 97% scientific consensus thing has absolutely nothing to do with some random comic book artist or whatever nonsense they're peddling. I've gone ahead and pulled some quotes from the first three links that pop up when you search for "climate change consensus 97%" just so we can look at the actual facts.

Are you kidding me? Seriously?! It’s actually wild when you think about it—there is such a massive group of scientists out there who, the second they finally hit retirement, step up to the cameras and drop these incredibly sharp, pointed insights that fly in total opposition to all this global warming hysteria we see everywhere. And honestly, why wait until retirement to speak up? It makes perfect sense once you look at the mechanics of it. Once they're out of the game, their livelihoods aren't tied to those endless streams of funding coming from various special interest groups anymore. They aren't tied to specific projects funded by particular lobbyists, and most importantly, they don't have to worry about losing their tenure or their cushy university positions just because they decided to go against the grain of the "expected" opinion. It's like they finally get their voices back.
The moderator is back at it again, acting like they’re some kind of deity or something. Even if a moderator actually knew their way around these kinds of things—which, let’s be honest, they clearly don't—who’s to say the rest of us wouldn't have a better handle on it? I guess we really have to do this, don't we? It feels like there’s no avoiding it at this point! Can I even agree with him? It honestly feels like everything just boils down to this one-track mindset and a blatant power trip on Reddit.

You know, I think we can actually take this argument a step further: all of THEM are playing fast and loose with the truth—NASA, the IPCC, the whole lot... everyone is either manipulating the data or they've been manipulated themselves, and honestly, it feels like the entire global community of climatologists has been caught up in some massive conspiracy over the last thirty years. In my humble opinion, a conversation like this really belongs over on the "Alternative Theories" subforum rather than staying here in "Politics."

Honestly, it doesn't even matter if they're lying, because at least they finally put their side of the story out there. If someone had posted something like this on Reddit, they probably wouldn't have faced any sanctions either, simply because the moderator would be sitting there nodding along in total agreement.

And are you actually qualified to be handing out diagnoses like that? 🤔 So, you're telling me she isn't "capable" of sitting through a classroom setting, yet somehow she’s perfectly fine delivering high-stakes speeches to the U.S. Congress, addressing G7 summits, or speaking at the UN? It’s funny how that works! And what's the reasoning there—is it because she has Asperger? Are we really supposed to diagnose someone just by looking at their facial expressions? What exactly are you, some kind of PhD psychiatrist or a local psychic medium?

I mean, honestly, since when did we start requiring a college degree just to have a basic conversation about a topic? It feels like every time someone wants to weigh in on something, people immediately jump down their throat and demand some fancy credentials before they'll even listen to a single word. It’s getting a bit ridiculous, don't you think? You shouldn't need a PhD or a specialized diploma just to share an opinion or engage in a little back-and-forth discussion!
Moderators ALWAYS People tend to resort to those kinds of low-level, petty questions whenever a comment is actually grounded in reality but just doesn't happen to be "socially acceptable" simply because it isn't positive. I honestly don't know what kind of intellectual capacity we're dealing with here, but you really don't need a medical degree to grasp that the little girl has a mental health disorder.
If someone actually puts that in writing, they’re basically asking for a death sentence. So, here we go again—it's the same old story, really, except we have to be careful not to even mention it.

By the way, do you even have a university degree that gives you the "legal" right to be participating in this discussion?

You know, looking back at history, it’s fascinating how certain minds just operate on a completely different frequency, and many people suggest they might have had Asperger, though honestly, you can't say anything for certain because any serious psychiatrist worth their salt wouldn't dream of handing out a diagnosis without meeting someone face-to-face first. Take Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein, for instance, or even Nikola Tesla—who, if you look at his younger years, was famously defiant, insisting he could pull off things his professors insisted were impossible! And then there’s Robert James Fischer, who left such a profound impression on me during my early teenage years; he was truly something else. Even the world chess champion himself had that streak; I remember hearing how he was incredibly blunt and disrespectful toward his elders starting when he was only thirteen, absolutely crushing them at the chessboard, and by the time he was fifteen, he was already ranked among the nine best players on the planet. But let's be real, he did struggle with some very heavy mental health issues that surfaced later in life when he abruptly walked away from chess—which actually reminds me quite a bit of Tesla, though Einstein definitely felt like a different breed entirely; still, as long as people are sitting across from each other playing chess, his legacy will always be met with pure admiration.

That’s some top-tier trolling right there, comparing Greta Thunberg to legends like Einstein or Tesla! Honestly, if anyone else tried a stunt like that on this site, they’d probably be slapped with a ban for messing around too much.

It feels incredibly arrogant, doesn't it? Since the author of the post considers themselves all "grown up" compared to her, labeling a sixteen-year-old girl like that—well, in my book, that's just straight-up hate speech.

There’s no arrogance involved here, really, just stating the plain old truth, even if it isn't exactly hitting the sweet spot on Reddit.
If those lies are wrapped in sugar and make everyone feel good, then absolutely YES, let them fly!!

Come on, moderators, get in here!!!
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#33 ·
lonebadger6 said:One of the fundamental rules around here at KZB is pretty simple: you don't open up a whole new thread just to protest someone else's card. And the second rule? Don't start a new topic about cards at all—there’s already a dedicated thread for that. I guess we should probably stick to the established format.
...

I guess Wayne’s question, even if it does break the rules, is actually pretty fair...

I don't think Wayne's question was meant to be some kind of card protest. It felt more like a simple request... just asking for some clarity on how the moderation criteria actually work. Maybe I'm misreading things, but that seems to be the case.
Even you’re saying it seems fair, but I guess... nobody from the moderation team has actually shown up in over a week to give any kind of response. Not even a small one. It's just silence.
By the time I actually decided to jump into this debate, there really wasn't much point in dodging the question anymore. I guess it was just time to face it.

Moderators are only obligated to respond to civilized inquiries. I guess Wayne used to be like that, but this whole topic morphed into something else entirely rather quickly.

If we didn't have all this constant spamming—and those same few misunderstood souls always popping up to make noise—I guess the actual answers would probably be a bit more frequent. So, if you, or anyone else for that matter, actually wants a real answer to something, maybe next time you could just suggest to the folks on your side, roughly speaking, to stop trolling and spamming. Or, I suppose, you don't have to. It's up to you.

Wayne's question was, as you put it, civilized, but I guess he didn't end up getting an answer.
It wasn't even the people who joined in by asking actual logical questions that cluttered things up. No, it was placidorca16 with the constant spamming and Peter Reyes33 with those crude insults. And honestly, regarding Peter Reyes33—even though his behavior flies right in the face of the site rules, neither you nor your colleague have actually stepped in to issue any sanctions. I guess that's just how it goes.

Maybe Timothy Nelson5 could have just started his own thread over at KZB, or perhaps he should have just headed over to the "card protest" topic instead. I guess.
Honestly, if Timothy Nelson5 had just started his own thread, I bet he would have actually gotten a real answer to a question phrased like that—assuming some spammers didn't swoop in immediately to ruin everything. And I suppose John Wayne would probably get a fair response too, since he asks things the right way. I don't quite get why he suddenly feels the need to act like some high-priced lawyer defending rule-breakers, especially when he knows perfectly well that's against the rules.

We aren't just some clueless bystanders, and you shouldn't assume for a second that we have no idea what's actually going on.

I guess Oštrić at least had the decency to be honest in his reply when he suggested that Nina wouldn't even be allowed to post comments. He couldn't quite manage—even with a bit of mental effort, I suppose—to explain which specific criteria in my post he considers "hate speech." Meanwhile, in Nina's much more blunt article regarding "Gretenism," he doesn't seem to see any grounds for filing a criminal complaint. It's all a bit inconsistent, isn't it?

I feel like I’m constantly getting hit with a card for trolling a bit too hard, and then my posts just end up being deleted anyway. It happens all the time, I guess.
I wonder why it gets deleted. I guess it just happens sometimes. Maybe there's a reason, though I can't quite put my finger on it. It's strange, really.?
I suppose it’s just because explaining all those radical criteria for sanctions is such a massive headache. It's complicated, I guess. Maybe it's just too much to unpack without getting lost in the weeds.
Even the moderation team seems embarrassed by their own handiwork, I suppose. It’s almost as if they realize they couldn't honestly claim this is a platform where anyone can just step up and share their thoughts or opinions in a civil way. Maybe they know it. I guess.

We aren't fools.
I suppose we only endure being tolerated by the rest of you—those few of us still attempting to contribute something actually meaningful to the conversation—because if every thread were just a collection of people nodding in agreement, the whole thing would probably die out pretty fast.

And on top of all that, I suppose you're just hoping we'll start policing our own speech.
It happens, I suppose, but maybe not exactly the way you’re picturing it. A lot of these topics have just... died out completely. And honestly, I think that’s precisely why.
Everyone jumping into this thread seems completely checked out. From what I can see, people are straight-up saying they aren't even bothering to engage in discussions anymore. I suppose it’s not really surprising, honestly, given how it's become pretty obvious that insulting and belittling anyone with a different perspective is just tolerated now. Even right here in this thread.

But please, feel free to keep destroying this site with this kind of moderation. Go ahead—keep up those Stalinist-style trials where dissenters get banned without any real explanation (because claiming "trolling" is the sole, omnipresent reason doesn't really count as an explanation, I guess). Keep feeding yourselves this illusion that you're actually "winning" debates just because you've banned everyone who disagrees and scrubbed away all the "unwanted" posts. It'll be real interesting watching when placidorca16, Peter Reyes33, and the rest of their crowd start tearing each other apart.

The Overton window can only shift so far.
If you push it too hard, people just stop looking at it altogether and find some other, more interesting window to look through.
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
166 messages
joined Jan 2021
#34 ·
Paul Kern12 said:Hey, this isn't actually a thread for debating Greta Thunberg—it’s just about what John Wayne asked the moderators. Seems like it was either an accident or... well, you know.😉 You guys are really pushing this topic—and honestly, even the moderator Oštrić is getting in on the action.
Cut it out here—there's a thread over on the politics sub about this. We were looking for an answer from the mods regarding the question in the original post, and honestly, we're still waiting.

Seriously, can you actually read the thread title, or does it just not compute? Since when did you become the expert on what everyone else is allowed to talk about—acting like some kind of moderator now?😲
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#35 ·
placidorca16 said:Look, do you actually struggle to read the topic title, or is the point just flying right over your head? I mean, what exactly are you trying to lecture everyone else about regarding what topics should be off-limits—who gets to write what? You’re really out here acting like you’re the moderator or something.😲

🤦
One really ought to practice reading with actual comprehension—and that certainly applies to KCCLKC as well. I was specifically referring back to your post because I was... I suppose there isn't much left to say—it's simply done. I have decided to join the discussion here—though, if I am being honest, I don't think either KCCLKC or you are entirely correct. I have been waiting for nearly two weeks now just to get a response from the relevant authorities regarding my initial post—my actual question—so I suppose there is still much to be settled.
I wrote this:
Hello, this isn't actually a thread meant for debating Greta Thunberg—it’s specifically regarding a question that John Wayne posed to the moderators. It seems to me, perhaps accidentally or otherwise... Are you actually defending this? It seems there is some ongoing discussion regarding Temu—and, I suppose, the involvement of the moderator, Oštrić.

"Zaspramavate" is... plural And I was actually referring to everything—all of it—while I sat there, quite uselessly, waiting for an answer to my initial question.

I see you’re implying—or perhaps suggesting—that I am somehow incapable of reading what is right in front of me. Topic Title Or perhaps you simply fail to grasp the essence of what is being written here—though I suppose that is entirely possible. What’s the title?

It isn’t enough—I really don't think it is—to simply glance at the topic title or skim what's written in the headline. One truly needs to read the actual content that follows the title... if one wants to understand the point being made.
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
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joined Apr 2024
#36 ·
Why’d I say Nina R. wouldn't last five minutes on the History subreddit? Because the whole point of this place is digging into things using actual scientific methods. The rules here are pretty clear:

1. This sub exists for learning and sharing knowledge, so bring some real arguments to the table.
2. Back up your claims with legit literature and sources. If you just insist on "I think" or "I heard," without any verifiable proof, you're getting sidelined.

If you claim some old extremist slogan is just a "traditional greeting," you'll get a card—not because of politics, but because it's flat-out wrong. But if you say the US used the dollar before the greenback, nobody’s gonna blink, because that’s just a fact.

Climatology is a science too. In his piece on "Gretenism (...)," Nina R. spits out a bunch of lies (and he does the same thing when he covers history). Here are two pieces by decent journalists on the topic:

Columnist Nina R. denies facts about the climate crisis

Hostile propaganda: Nina Normale

Nina Normale just casually lies about data, makes up scientific studies, and steals other people's bad takes. He doesn't even care that half the media scene will catch him in his cheap bullshit within minutes; all he cares about is making enough noise to grab headlines and trigger a reaction.

Sure, you can't apply the same standards to a political PDF, but there are plenty of other ways to measure someone's credibility.
Steven Perez60 Steven Perez60 Member
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joined Jan 2018
#37 ·
Look, I’m definitely not a fan of Nina—actually, I’m pretty much the opposite—so my disgust at the idea of kicking Nina out of the discussion by default carries some real weight here.
Invoking "scientific methods" or "research" doesn't give anyone a free pass to ban a cultural commentator and interesting voice from the public conversation.

First off: just the definition of the words "method" and "research" implies we're talking about ongoing processes of uncovering truth, not some set of absolute, final truths.

Second: a forum is, by its very definition, a space for public debate where citizens from all walks of life and ages come together to exchange opinions (not to trade academic papers).

Third: if there's actually a fear of misinformation, the simple fact that these topics are being discussed acts as its own built-in reality check for any debate.

The whole "scientific" criterion becomes totally meaningless if the moderator is just a layman. If they’re learning about "science" through the news or pop-science books, they can't possibly stay current with actual cutting-edge research. Because of how specialized and hyper-focused different fields have become, most things remain way beyond the reach of general knowledge or basic culture.
Besides, the fact that public discourse shifts with every single political or economic change should be enough to teach anyone—who wasn't born yesterday—to avoid being exclusive, whether they're claiming to be "scientific" or not.

And one last thing: I want to call out this ugly habit of treating forum users like delinquents in a juvenile detention center—especially when it comes to people who are just trying to politely and thoroughly explain their views, like OT is doing.
This forum isn't some reform school, and Gretenism, the media, and all the hype surrounding them aren't some communist manifesto, the Ten Commandments, or a law of thermodynamics. That really should be obvious.
placidnomad87 placidnomad87 Active Member
51 messages
joined Dec 2018
#38 ·
If you call someone a brat, does that really count as hate speech? You hear people saying stuff like that on the street all the time without anyone batting an eye.

She’s definitely immature, and honestly, should we really be pretending that an eighteen-year-old is a fully formed adult? Scientific understanding tells us that the human brain doesn't even finish developing until someone hits their late twenties or even thirty. It feels like people are just exploiting young, inexperienced individuals; just because someone turns eighteen doesn't mean they are suddenly equipped for the world. Isn't that why I feel like nobody should even be touching serious politics until they're at least twenty-seven?
velvetmoose9 velvetmoose9 Active Member
163 messages
joined Apr 2020
#39 ·


In this particular thread, there was an attempt to provide some semblance of a coherent answer.

Honestly, looking back at this whole "debate," it’s pretty hard to tell if anyone actually managed to pull it off.

When you're all duking it out over this current young lady, maybe try keeping a few basic facts in mind:

-she's a minor

-and even if she is dealing with health issues—that's just one more reason why we shouldn't be tearing a kid apart because of her condition.

It’s on me, as a moderator, that I didn't immediately drop a well-deserved card protest on that opening post where the OP was already busy obsessing over someone else's penalty.
I’ll definitely do my best to make sure I don't let a slip-up like that happen again.

Usually, when a thread starts out this messy, any hope that it might actually head toward something constructive or useful doesn't last very long.

Amen to that hope and to the thread itself, 🙂

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