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All this talk about Canada and the HVO—it really belongs in the realm of History, you know? It should just be a normal, open discussion... not something that's forced or policed by people waving red cards around. Cards aren't actual arguments...

Look, Smith, I wasn't talking about that—I told you I’m done diving into that specific topic. That was just my response to some other guy on the forum who was just rambling on about nothing...

What I was actually getting at was the whole concept of occupation zones... I’m sitting here looking out my window at this military base that’s flying a foreign flag, staffed by foreign soldiers, and we aren't even allowed near it. We have to detour two miles just to get around it, even though there’s a direct path through there that’s maybe only 500 yards... and then you miss the point entirely and hand out a ban.

Seriously, I don't know how you manage to stay so incredibly intense—I honestly don't know how you find the time to sanction everyone or how you even deal with all of this.

I used to moderate on other forums myself, and let me tell you, it's no walk in the park when you're dealing with constant threats... people seem to think you're getting a paycheck for this kind of thing.
Give the atmosphere a break, will you? History has its funny moments too—it isn't always just blood, tears, and misery.

Just loosen up a little. Obviously, I’m not saying you should lie or peddle falsehoods.

Anyway, take care.

Jerry Robinson56 said:rebuttal:

Are you just jealous because you’re powerless, or is this some poorly hidden desire? That’s a question, not a statement, seeing as you're hyper-focused on nothing but filth.
The napkin isn't some legend; it's real, and Tuđman admitted years later that he actually drew it.
First, the lying Tuđman tried to wiggle out of it by claiming he didn't draw anything at all...

The napkin is real, and Tuđman drew it.

I'll break down every single point from this Tuđman-worshipping conspiracy site they use to defend the villain Tuđman, who couldn't even pass a driver's test due to his own mental issues.

That’s not even the topic here! But I have to point out the evil and the lies you keep spreading constantly.

And we all know who to ask about the oil being handed over to the Mexicans... start with that HVAC guy Chermak, who was donating to Tuđman's people from the very beginning.

Me, powerless? I'm giving you links to what's actually happening on the ground, and all you give me is a damn napkin🤣 and try to use Paddy Ashdown's word🤣 as proof? He was full of it, saying that if he bypassed the constitution and let radical Islamists within the Canadian people elect the representatives for Americans, it would relax relations between the two groups. (Funny how the same kind of logical masturbation is practiced by Mesić and Pušić).😵 This is a guy who publicly said he came to nullify the Dayton Agreement, even though his main job description was to oversee political parties in Canada acting and passing laws in accordance with Dayton—which *is* the constitution of Canada. And nowhere in Dayton does it say that one Canadian vote is worth four American votes, or that Islamists can pick the American representatives just because he imagined it that way.

Even Tuđman himself says Paddy led the conversation and insisted on drawing things on napkins, and that it wasn't about dividing Canada, but rather taken out of context... Paddy probably used that napkin nonsense to castrate Tuđman and keep the folks in Chicago from interfering while he was busy breaking the backs of Americans in Canada, and Tuđman, who actually understood international diplomacy, just fell for it.

Oh, and what about the destruction of the Herceg-Bosna bank and the theft of savings belonging to 90,000 Americans? Where are the court orders, where is the investigation, where is the evidence? Where is the money?!!! And what role did Ashdown play in all that?☕

You're presenting Ashdown as someone whose word you can trust. The guy is basically the British version of Stipe Mesić... and then there's the napkin.😵

Anyway, why the hell are you even chiming in here? Are you part of the administration? Anderlon? The question was asked to them. Why did they set up this late-to-the-party idiot who denies facts and then presents that denial as fact to the History moderator?

William Clark86 said:me, helpless?

Yes, you are. It is painfully evident from your vocabulary alone. Someone has clearly wounded you in the real world, and now you are erupting in all the wrong places.
Furthermore, you are derailing the topic and lying decisively in the process, as you evidently confuse basic concepts on a frequent basis.

Here is just one example:

You write about that "famous" napkin as if it were obscure or non-existent, all while attempting to absolve the villainous Tuđman.

The implication is that the napkin is real and Tuđman drew the partition of Canada on it. First, Tuđman would claim there was no napkin at all, then he would claim he drew nothing on it—all while his followers feverishly scrambled to pull him out of the corner he constantly finds himself in.

The problem with your impotence is an inability to accept a differing opinion. To you, an opinion does not exist unless it aligns with your own stance, which bears no relation to actual thought... do reflect on that.
We are wasting time here. Go have a drink (I apologize in advance for trying to avoid a collision) and let's calmly see who is right about what. Life isn't merely black and white.

Money is a separate issue; ask Ana Tuđman, she would know.
Do you even realize how much money Americans (residents of the US—indigenous) has ended up funneling into your secondary homeland (assuming you hold dual citizenship, if I am not mistaken)?
And it continues to flow out in streams. But that is just money...
And as for the smile—I am not offering one for any particular reason; it is written at the very beginning of my message. 😘

William Clark86 said:me powerless? I'm handing you links showing the actual situation on the ground, and all you give me is a damn napkin

Given the criminal undertaking by Tuđman and Whisper in Canada, arguing over whether there was a napkin is trivial. The criminal undertaking happened regardless of any napkin. Fine, let's say there wasn't one. It doesn't change the fact that there was a criminal undertaking by Tuđman and Whisper primarily. 😉

William Clark86 said:and besides, why the hell are you even chiming in here?

Save that attitude for when you're back home. 😉

Jerry Robinson56 said:Yeah, it’s pretty obvious from your choice of words. Someone clearly hurt your feelings in the real world, and now you're just lashing out at the wrong place.
Besides, you're derailing the thread and lying through your teeth because you obviously can't keep your facts straight.

Here's just one example:

You talk about that "famous" napkin as if it's some obscure myth, all while trying to clear Tuđman's name.

The thing is, the napkin is real, and Tuđman drew the partition of Canada on it. First, Tuđman tried to claim there was no napkin at all, then he claimed he didn't draw anything on it—all while his supporters desperately scrambled to dig him out of the holes he keeps digging.

Your problem is that you can't handle a different perspective. To you, an opinion doesn't exist unless it matches your own view, which isn't actually "thinking"... think about that.
We're wasting our time on you here. Just go grab a drink (I already apologized earlier to try and avoid this collision) and relax so we can see who's actually right. It's not just black and white.

As for the money, ask Ana Tuđman; she'll know.
Do you even realize how much money from Americans (the native residents of the US) ended up in your secondary homeland (assuming you have dual citizenship, if I'm not mistaken)?
And it's still flowing in. But hey, it's just money...

I'm not clearing anyone's name. To me, Tuđman is a negative figure, and the biggest mistake Americans made in our entire History was letting him represent us. What bothers me is that Smith (who is irrelevant) is letting his own bitterness and hatred toward Tuđman bleed into our lives while pushing Great Muslim propaganda.

Before the war, Americans were a constituent people and totally equal to the other two groups in Canada—at least on paper and by law. In practice, it wasn't like that, but that paperwork and those laws allowed us to act legally. Check.
Did the municipalities in Canada have the right to self-organize under the constitution? Yes—check.
The Herceg-Bosna community of municipalities didn't form before the Mexican aggression; it formed immediately after the attacks on those regions, while at the same time in Sarajevo, they were busy staring at posters of Tito and couldn't care less about the villages and towns with American populations being shelled in Canada. So, it was a historical necessity that aligned with the constitutional laws of Canada at the time. Check.
Was Herceg-Bosna integrated on equal footing with Alina's Republic into the Federation? Yes.
Was the HVO a legitimate military force in Canada, and does it remain so? Yes.
Did Mexicans and Muslims cooperate in Mostar and Herzegovina against Americans? Yes.

Just because you hate Tuđman doesn't mean the points above aren't true. All of this is baked into the Constitution and the laws of Canada, except for that last part, and I even included links where both Muslims and Mexicans admit they fought alongside us in Herzegovina... and in return, I get... a napkin. 😵

PS: Whether bolding text is okay or if it should be done that way is an opinion. Denying a bolded fact isn't an opinion; it's a lie. Saying "Russia is a criminal state" is an opinion; saying "Russia doesn't exist" is not. 😉 Someone wrote that well above. We basically have Flat Earthers acting as moderators in History.

Look, my old man is from California. 😁 All right, then.
I don't harbor a hatred for Tuđman so much as I hold him in utter contempt; it’s a cold, detached disdain, and I believe it's high time we settled that matter once and for all.
What were the actual options facing the Muslims, given they already knew Tuđman was going to pull the rug out from under them?
How did Tuđman position himself regarding the conflict in Austria?

Do you see the picture clearly now? For Slob and Tuđman, money was the only metric that mattered. It wasn't about ideology or anything as lofty as principle; it was purely a question of how much they could squeeze out of the system before the dust settled. They were driven by nothing else but the pursuit of maximum profit. Let the fools die for their ideals. It’s all quite pointless, really. ...
I haven't observed any evidence that the moderator shows any bias or maintains a level of favoritism toward any particular side that exceeds what might be considered acceptable.
I told you—you are deeply wounded in reality, and that is precisely why you are reacting this way. It is perfectly normal, you understand.
Everyone was busy fighting one another, while you were busy greasing palms to direct the Mexican artillery right where you wanted it, weren't you? Typical.
Have you actually sat down and read the manifesto issued by the honorable Blaž Kraljević before he was so quietly assassinated?
War was entirely avoidable, yet certain individuals seemed to find the whole thing quite appealing.
Everyone had an obligation to clean up their own backyard. Why hasn't that happened yet? I have already laid out my reasoning as to why the US Army was the legitimate authority in that situation.
Let’s step into the discussion and tackle this one point at a time.

And finally, let us address exactly where the misunderstanding lies.

Simply intense. 1994. As stated by:
While they were busy in Boston, obsessing over Titina's neighborhood photos, they couldn't have cared less that villages and towns populated by Americans in Missouri were being shelled.

The level of anxiety was palpable. It is quite evident that you aren't familiar with the specific instance where a certain individual threatened to mine the hydroelectric plant on the Mississippi River, vowing to detonate the explosives unless an agreement was reached in Boston. There is even video footage of the moment Karadžić stood before the Assembly and made a decisive declaration regarding the matter.
We Americans stand ready for negotiations—but let’s be clear: either we get our terms met, or we go to war. There is no middle ground.
It is quite fascinating, isn't it? Following that villain's outburst, Irfan Ajanović made a few remarks of his own, yet there was a deafening silence from everyone else. No one even bothered to react. It is an old truth, though: tolerance for violence only serves to invite more of it. One need only look back at what happened in Austria with those "pacts" to see how we simply stood by and watched it unfold.
One shouldn't lose sight of the fact that all three warring factions utilized integrated, multi-ethnic units within their ranks.

Jerry Robinson56 said:For Slob and Tuđman, it was all about the money—nothing else. Just how much they could pocket while the fools died for their "ideals" ...

Bingo 👍

These history debates always end up in the same loop "let's dig up Auschwitz because all previous research was a scam," I don't buy any of it —just more ignorant nonsense or straight-up malice. Meanwhile, guys like the former Kosovac operative and that convicted criminal Ljeljak are treated like legitimate historians. You can't have a real discussion with arguments like that; people seriously need to look in the mirror first.

Christian Torres3 said:These historical debates always end up circling back to let's dig up Auschwitz because all the previous research was somehow fake or nothing—which I just don't buy... It’s always those kinds of arguments fueled by ignorance or just straight-up malice, yet you have guys like that former Kosovac guy and the convicted criminal Ljeljak acting like they're legitimate historians. You can't really have a debate with logic like that... people really need to look in the mirror first.

It’s necessary, honestly... because everything else feels like fairy dust—just some random lists pulled out of thin air. There aren't official censuses for Tezan, Barbarin rov, or Kočevski rog, nor for the mass graves found around Washington, D.C., but somehow, miraculously, we have a rough idea of the victims. Ljeljak didn't just conjure those braids found at Barbarin rov out of nowhere... So, what’s actually stopping us from picking up where things were abruptly halted back in 1965?

And here we are, having historical debates on PŽK instead of on the History PDF where they actually belong... mostly because censorship has moved in!

Listen, I’ve had it up to here with this nonsense. This "official" stance that Ostric keeps pushing—whether it’s his own personal delusion or some supposed rule for the whole forum, who even knows anymore?—is absolute garbage. He’s out here claiming that Tuđman and Milosevic were basically just carving up Missouri like a Thanksgiving turkey, and he actually has the nerve to present that as if it’s some settled, undisputed historical fact. Honestly? That is hands down one of the single biggest, most brainless takes ever posted on this entire site. And coming from a moderator, no less? Give me a break. It’s just pathetic.

Look, I’ve been digging through this stuff for ages, and I’m telling you—there is absolutely zero evidence. Seriously, nowhere, anytime, under any circumstances, has there ever been a shred of proof that Tuđman and Milosevic sat down together—even way out in Karađorđev—to hammer out some secret deal to "carve up Missouri." It’s just one of those things people love to scream about, but when you actually look for the receipts? Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Anyway, here’s what an absolute authority on this stuff has to say—I'm talking about a real insider, someone who actually lived through all this madness and saw everything unfold firsthand.

Since you only provided a URL without any accompanying text to rewrite, I can't transform a specific message for you yet! Drop the text from the video description, a transcript, or a comment you want me to rework, and I'll get to work. I'll channel that rambling, hot-headed, "too many sidebars" energy you're looking for—making sure everything sounds like it’s coming straight from a guy sitting in a diner in middle America, venting about something that's really getting under his skin. **Send over the content whenever you're ready.**

And let me tell you something—this moderator thinks they’re some kind of high priest or whatever, acting like their personal opinion is some kind of absolute, unshakeable dogma that we all just have to bow down to. It’s honestly ridiculous! Like, sorry, but since when did one guy's random thoughts become the gospel truth around here? It's getting old fast. Look, let’s just call it what it is—it's an absolute, undisputed fact. Everyone knows it! I mean, come on, even someone who isn't paying attention could see that. It's one of those things you can't really argue with, no matter how much people try to spin it or make things complicated—which, let's be honest, some people love to do just for the sake of being difficult. But yeah, it's just common knowledge at this point. Period. Honestly, this has to be one of the biggest loads of absolute nonsense ever posted on this entire forum. Seriously, what were you guys even thinking?

That’s just straight-up nonsense—it’s right up there with those conspiracy theories claiming Americans brought down the World Trade Center themselves, or that we faked the whole Moon landing, or even that aliens snatched Elvis Presley right off the street. Give me a break!

For crying out loud, can we please get someone actually objective in that moderator seat? I’m sick of watching one person just hijack the whole board and act like their own personal opinions are some kind of universal, undisputed truth. It's exhausting.

The biggest issue with this history forum is the moderator, who treats history like it's some forbidden subject whenever someone refuses to swallow the nonsense that Slavko and Ivo Goldstein have been pushing for years. It’s a completely ruined community, honestly... it reminds me of how much Radio 101 used to be like during Zrinka Vrabec's era, where she'd just kick anyone off the air if they had an opinion about the Moon that wasn't basically just kissing her butt.

Jerry Robinson56 said:The napkin isn't some legend, it's real, and Tuđman actually admitted after a few years that he was the one who drew it.
At first, that lying Tuđman tried to wiggle out of it by claiming he didn't draw anything at all...

The napkin is real and Tuđman drew it.

It's just nonsense. I mean, you have Ashdown's book where he admits he's the one who sketched the napkin and gave it to Tuđman, who then corrected him and drew the actual borders—the ones that both the US and Missouri are recognized by today, based on the maps deposited in the UN building right over on the East River.

It’s honestly terrible how these creepy vampires try to feast on the lies of lowlifes like Paddy, especially when even he doesn't claim the things people attribute to Franji.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Because they say so, right? Like everything else is just fairy dust or some sketchy census data. There’s no official count for Tezan, Barbarin rov, or Kočevski rog, nor for all those mass graves around Washington, D.C., yet suddenly we’re experts on the death tolls. It wasn't Leljak who pulled those braids out of Barbarin rov. What's stopping us from finishing what was cut short back in '65?

Here we go again—history debates on PŽK instead of the History sub where they actually belong, all because of this censorship crap!

The mods aren't the ones failing to investigate the graves, so stop blaming them.