F1 Italian GP - Monza (Sept 2, 2018)

Kimi didn't stand a chance at winning, regardless of the tires, unless both Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel had spun out and finished at the back... though even that's a stretch. A double DNF would have been the only way.
That’s the only scenario where he wins, because let's be honest, Valtteri Bottas is useless and there was zero other competition anyway.

If Hamilton and Vettel had actually made it through the first lap unscathed, the only real question would've been whether it was Vettel or Hamilton taking the win. Kimi would've just been sitting there in third.

mellowtiger83 said:Maybe he was trying to dive down the outside of both Ferraris? Not that it matters, since they were clearly the fastest cars on the track all weekend anyway. Honestly, the guy drove a near-flawless race, pushing right on the edge the entire time until Kimi finally made his move.
It’s not just me saying it, either. I mean, look at what happened in the Ferrari garage after those fans absolutely tore him apart both before and after the race. 🙂

What limit are you even talking about? 🤔
Frank had plenty of extra gear left in the tank—seriously, he was cruising. The only time he actually pushed things to the edge was that stretch between laps 20 and 28 right before hitting the pits. Everything else? Total cruise control.
Way to go on those rule violations. Real class act. 👍
He had the luxury of a massive advantage and zero pressure, so he went all in on the risk—and man, did it pay off.

There’s no denying it—the Mercedes-Benz was clearly the faster car during the race. Even Toto Wolff admitted they were blindsided by it. He mentioned the team is going to have to dig deep and run a full autopsy to figure out exactly how and why that happened.

stormybadger8 said:Kimi didn't stand a chance at winning, regardless of which tires he was on, unless both Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel had spun out and ended up at the back... though even that seems unlikely, a double DNF would have been the only ideal scenario for him...
Only then would he actually have a shot at victory, because Valtteri Bottas is essentially useless anyway and there wasn't any other real competition on the track...

If Hamilton and Vettel had managed to finish the first lap without incident, the only real question would have been whether Vettel or Hamilton took the win, leaving Kimi to settle for third.

How so? His car was slower than Vettel's, wasn't it? 🙂

neonfox65 said:There isn't really anything to debate here. The rules are clear, and since darkmarlin16 and mellowtiger83 weren't aware of them, they just ended up laughing at themselves. 🙂

Regarding that contact between Max Verstappen and Valtteri Bottas, I already provided an explanation. Nobody has responded to it yet, likely because you all realize I'm right.

We've heard this empty story before—that once Honda delivers the engine, Max will cruise to the title.

You can keep making excuses about "if only Honda does this" or "if only Honda does that."🤦 It’s become your repetitive mantra. Last year, you were chanting the same thing about this season, yet Max barely managed to outscore Rica, and even then, it felt like there was significant bias from Marko and Christian Horner.
It isn't that Max lacks talent; it's that he hasn't been properly trained, and now he's showing that he doesn't even want to be. That's a recipe for becoming a champion—in some parallel universe, at least.

I suppose you'll have your alibi ready for the seasoned veterans on this forum next year: if Honda fails, it won't be Max's fault.👍

Richard Ross11 said:How? Was his car slower than Vettel's? 🙂

Not exactly. If you look at the overall race pace, he was just straight-up slower than them. Like, significantly...
Look, you can't expect to win if you can't pull at least a 2-second gap on Lewis Hamilton during the entire first stint...
For Kimi to even have a shot, Vettel would need to jump him in the first 2-3 laps and then just keep hammering out those fast laps. Then maybe—just maybe—there's a chance...

Check this out...
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...wis%20Hamilton
Just look at what Kimi is doing from lap 15 onwards. 🤦
Finally, you've got a 1.5-second lead, you've pulled Lewis Hamilton out of the DRS zone, and you know he’s due for a pit stop...
And instead of pinning it to push that gap to at least 2 seconds, you just drop the hammer for three sloppy laps and let Hamilton close back in to within a second...
And no, it’s not about how fast Lewis Hamilton was driving. It's about Kimi's pace:
15 1:24.582 (-1.474)
16 1:24.956
17 1:24.742
18 1:24.839
19 1:24.516

The car clearly had the speed, but Kimi didn't. And he lacked it right when it mattered most in the race... It wasn't that Lewis Hamilton was driving like a maniac; it was Kimi who was being slow...

When you find yourself in a spot where you can't shake someone, it's obvious you're going to get eaten alive by an undercut or an overcut, no matter what...
Even if the crew is sharp and ready to nail a quick stop, which is a big "if" since Ferrari is usually pretty clumsy in these situations...

And honestly, it's clear Kimi is the one to blame for pitting too early, not Ferrari...
Because at the end of the day, Ferrari didn't have much choice after Kimi blew that entire first stint,
especially those critical laps 16-18. He put them in a position where they had to react the second they saw the Mercedes mechanics running out for a pit stop,
because anyone with eyes knows a Mercedes can pull off an undercut in a heartbeat if the gap is a second or less...

Unfortunately, Kimi just doesn't have that consistent race pace needed to win anymore. Nothing new there; we already saw it back in the Lotus days.
He’s got the raw speed to throw down a flyer or grab a fast lap in Third Quarter, but he rarely manages to string together enough consistent laps to make it count...
Sometimes it clicks and he's the fastest guy on track, but he still lacks that sustained rhythm throughout the whole race...
It's just missing. It's glaringly obvious. He might pull a few decent laps in a row now and then,
but it always seems to happen at the wrong time. When he actually needs to dig deep and push? He's nowhere to be found.

stormybadger8 said:I can't even begin to process how much of a disaster this whole situation is, honestly. It’s just one thing after another, isn't it? You think you've finally seen the bottom of the barrel, and then someone goes and digs a hole right underneath it just to prove a point. I'm sitting here thinking about it, and it's just ridiculous—absolutely absurd. Everyone acts like this is some huge, shocking revelation when it was clearly written all over the walls from day one if you actually bothered to pay attention for more than five seconds. But hey, that's just how things go lately, I guess. Everything is just a mess, and frankly, I'm too tired to even be surprised anymore. Just total chaos.
He honestly got lucky as hell that he didn't end up spinning out during that contact with Sebastian Vettel, because let's be real, in a collision like that, it’s usually the guy on the outside who gets absolutely screwed. 🙂

So, look, I'm telling you, Vettel was totally on the outside through that right-hand chicane.🕺

darkmarlin16 said:Well, Vettel was on the outside during that right-hander at the chicane.🕺

Sebastian Vettel was positioned on the inside line through that left-hand chicane. In those kinds of situations, when there's contact, the driver caught on the outside—in this case, Lewis Hamilton—is usually the one who ends up spinning out.
It went fairly well for Lewis Hamilton, I suppose. Aside from that, his attempt was quite aggressive—he was pushing right to the edge, and contact was practically inevitable at that point. Sebastian Vettel really had little chance of avoiding it. Hamilton made his move like that because he’s sitting on a points lead; he simply had less to lose in the grand scheme of things.
Sebastian Vettel made a mistake in that situation by trying to defend his position, though I can hardly blame him. It is simply the standard reaction for any racing driver, and what transpired was entirely natural.
It isn't really a matter of placing blame on either Sebastian Vettel or Lewis Hamilton. It was simply a racing incident where one driver managed to come out on top. It could have just as easily gone the other way, with Hamilton securing the advantage, or both of them ending up stuck in the gravel trap.
There isn't much point in overthinking this.

mellowtiger83 said:Sebastian Vettel was on the inside of that left chicane turn, and usually, when contact happens there, the guy on the outside (Lewis Hamilton) is the one who spins out.
Hamilton got lucky there! Aside from that, it was a pretty aggressive move by Hamilton—he was pushing it to the limit, and contact was almost inevitable. There was no way Sebastian Vettel could have avoided it at that point. Hamilton went for it because he’s sitting on those championship points and had less to lose.
Sebastian Vettel made a mistake trying to hold his ground, but you can't really blame him. It's a racer's instinct, and what happened was just part of the game.
There's no real villain here, neither Sebastian Vettel nor Lewis Hamilton. It was just a racing incident where one driver walked away with the better end of the deal. It could've easily gone the other way with Hamilton spinning, or both of them ending up in the gravel.
Not much point overthinking it.

In at least 70% of those scenarios, Hamilton would've been the one spinning instead of Sebastian Vettel...
The trick was probably that Sebastian Vettel had his rear tire right on the edge of the curb, hitting that painted section of the track, which likely caused his car to snap.

If Louie were on that curb with any of his tires, he definitely would've spun too...
Sebastian Vettel's only real screw-up was leaving too much room. He should have squeezed him harder before they even hit the corner entry. If he'd done that, he would've had enough pavement to stay straight and wouldn't have spun.
Man, he either needed to back off or be more aggressive. He messed up.

darkmarlin16 said:So, Vettel was on the outside through that right-hand chicane.🕺

Are you sure you don't need glasses? 🤔

Wow... the amount of hate Hamilton gets is unreal... I mean, what else does he have to prove out there before people stop claiming he's only winning because of luck?

Gary Palmer8 said:Wow... the sheer amount of disrespect aimed at Lewis Hamilton here... I mean, what else does he have to prove on the track before people stop claiming his talent is just pure luck?

Who is doing the disrespecting? From where I'm sitting, Sebastian Vettel is the one getting dragged through the mud over the last three pages.🙂

And who Tibi? He’s just a bit eccentric—a total Hamilton hater, really. Nothing serious, though. Just a minor diagnosis!

Gary Palmer8 said:Wow... the sheer amount of disrespect toward Lewis Hamilton here... what else does he have to prove on the track before people stop claiming he's only good because of luck?

Look, apparently he needs to put on some absolute masterclass performance just for people to admit he drove well, let alone call it one of his best ever...
Honestly, you guys—his fans—are the ones doing him dirty by constantly hyping up every single race as if it were the greatest drive in history. 😵

And here’s the real kicker: it’s not even that Louie hasn't had some killer races this season; he definitely has.
But once you start with this nonsense, it makes it look like all his wins were just empty hype without any actual substance behind them.

So, does anyone have a link to Bottas Instagram or something? 😬



It’d be a crime not to use it to mess with him a little bit. 😬

Check out Bottas Instagram.

https://instagram.com/valtteribottas...d=82c9cb857wq4

https://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/750...rschillen.html

Let's see if we can guess who escaped punishment for doing the exact same thing—if anything—as Max's little stunt 🙂

And no, the rules haven't changed regarding this matter, I suppose ☕

There it is... the legendary "Verstappen rolls" 😁
Sebastian Vettel ended up getting slapped with a penalty here even though there was barely any contact to begin with 🙂

Those Gleč miracles look pretty similar to the Vettel vs Lewis Hamilton situation at Indianapolis... except Vettel actually gave plenty of room on the inside, unlike Hamilton.

And obviously, Louie didn't get penalized for Indianapolis, nor would anyone expect him to... honestly, it wouldn't have made sense anyway.
Though, if I'm being totally blunt about how the FIA calls things, I actually expected a penalty for Sebastian Vettel back at Indianapolis 🤣

😂

So, who's supposed to be the guy on the right?
I don't see any resemblance to Sebastian Vettel, and barely any to Kimi... honestly, he looks more like a mini Bottas to me.🤔

I was actually gonna jump in and give a response to who Tibi /but specifically regarding THIS GUY/ just to set the record straight, but I figured I’d skip it because I’d probably end up getting banned for at least three months if I did.

Where’s the Singapore talk at—let's get this moving!!!