Biased moderation by Ball and Wacky

Look, it’s just the truth.

The whole debate started with that post from swiftranger46—that thread is still sitting there with the call to sing those songs, plus about four or five posts from Wakijev further down the line.

Besides, even if stuff gets deleted, the supermods can still read it.

Just like how you’re insulting me now, you were doing the same thing back then.
It’s like a corporate hit job. Everyone who isn't a mindless follower and dared to disagree gets targeted. People obsessed with political bias, toxic masculinity, or whatever else... I honestly wonder why...

What people don't seem to get about this forum is that there are no borders here. You don't need a passport to join a discussion. Everything you own stays within your own four walls.

Point three is basically the beginning and end of this entire argument.

So, let's circle back to what dustypilot11 was asking: Is the moderation biased?

And here is my wife’s post from this same thread. If you look at the timeline, you'll see her response followed mine and was essentially building on what I said. She never once called for people to sing Cavoglave (even if I don't find the song itself controversial), and she definitely didn't say she's disgusted by anyone who won't listen to it.

The least you could do is offer me an apology for accusing me of being some kind of extremist, but honestly, I wouldn't expect much after all the lies you've spun.

Edit: Also, the claim that I have partiality toward any specific sub-forum is a total lie, and anyone can easily verify that. Just because I choose not to post in certain sections I actually founded doesn't mean I'm biased—it's just my choice.

@dustypilot11/">@@dustypilot11: I just went back through my posts and honestly, I can't find where I even targeted you... 🤔 I was just making general comments.

To answer your question: yeah, that post wasn't banned, it was just deleted because I figured it was the smarter move. Sorry you caught it. You really shouldn't have had to see that. Honestly, I was trying to look out for you, which is why I wiped it. I didn't see any point in handing out bans for something that, from where I was sitting, didn't lead anywhere. Even if it did, like I said, REPORT IT! We aren't here to babysit your arguments or read between the lines to find hidden drama. If there's a report button, use it. Otherwise, we'll just tell Anderlon to scrap it and everyone can go back to bickering in DMs and on the PŽK...

As for that other post you mentioned about Womcat—that’s not up for debate. The guy was just sharing his take. Sure, it was a bit unrefined, but it was just one person's opinion. I don't see why you're dragging yourself into something that has nothing to do with you. If Womcat felt targeted or offended by it, she would've reported it, and I'm sure it would've been banned immediately. It was deleted simply because it started a negative trend in the thread, and as moderators, deleting stuff is our first step in cooling things down. If that doesn't work, then comes the ban hammer.

The people from the off-topic section... let me explain. Did you guys come over from off-topic? Or did you not? Did the people who got warned back then start spamming all sorts of posts, just like what was happening in off-topic? Just try to step back from your own perspective for a second and look at the big picture. You'll see nobody has an agenda against anyone; you're just projecting and making mountains out of molehills. And as for being called "from off-topic"... well, that's just the facts. We don't treat you any differently than the regular users.

@Amanda Diaz, Sarah, and Dario: everyone involved in that debate got sanctioned, whether it was for a single post or a cumulative thing. Don't act clueless like no one stepped in to moderate a heated argument. There's no point in dragging this out once it's settled.

slypuma12 said:@Amanda Diaz, Hannah Brown7, and Dario: everyone involved in this debate is totally brainless—some based on their posts, others just overall. Don't play dumb and act like nobody moderated a discussion that was already boiling over. There’s no point in dragging out something that's already over and done with.

I told you once before, and I'll say it again. Stop addressing me as part of some group. If you have something to say to me, just say it. Directly. To me. I'm not playing dumb, and I'm not claiming the discussion wasn't moderated. I'm not looking to drag this topic out further, but I'm here on this thread because Sarah called me out for some supposed extremist nonsense. It was perfectly clear that Dario—who I was seeing on this thread for the first time—was reacting to that. Since my post started the whole thing, I felt targeted. To me, that's an insult. If anyone else doesn't see it that way, fine, that's their problem. And regarding the claims that I'm lying? I provided links to the actual posts so the timeline speaks for itself.

The issue with you, slypuma12, is that you don't actually look at why things are happening. You just come in all hysterical, start screaming at the big shots, handing out penalties like a schoolteacher before locking the whole thread down...

That isn't moderation; it’s more like how a preschool teacher handles a playground spat.
Who even authorized a thread where people can mock someone's race or religion? Doesn't the rulebook explicitly state that any kind of discrimination or harassment is strictly forbidden and will be punished?

Your real problem is that you can't gauge the weight of an insult. You just show up, lose your cool, and hand out the exact same penalty to someone making a vile threat as you do to someone calling a guy a character from a TV show...
Because you miss the root cause, you fail to shut down a fight the second it turns toxic. Instead, you let everything spiral into total nonsense and then selectively pass out the penalties...
That's why you're getting heat from anonymous users, and honestly, that's why Dario went after you too. You gave him a partial because he called you out, yet you turn a blind eye to others who are constantly insulting people while pretending you don't see it...
You guys aren't school professors, and we aren't kids here.

Amanda Diaz, have a little dignity and some backbone and actually stand by your own views...
You're not in a classroom.

My experience dealing with Wacky.
He operates with a certain level of discretion; he always issues a warning before applying any bans and tries to de-escalate things via private message first.
In my book, he’s perfectly fine—a peaceful moderator, if you know what I mean.
That's about it.😁
Phiber on the dik😬

Those who showed up just to stir the pot on this American forum should probably learn to hold their tongues; they're about as intimidating as gummy bears.

@HoD, you absolute legend! ☕

I’ve got a few thoughts on this. Honestly, Wacky is a top-tier mod. I haven't really crossed paths with Tyler Vaughn7 yet—not that I'm looking to—but Wacky doesn't care about boundaries. Some people take advantage of that leniency and then have the nerve to cry foul when he hands out packs.
That guy swiftgull4 and Bella are basically too polite for their own good. They never stir the pot or call anyone out, they just sit there being nice. 🙄

Secondly, the crew over at the main site isn't pulling any shady moves. There was some drama back in the day when those "guests" showed up, right after we NEustase went scorched earth on everyone involved in banning Thompson. But current vibes? The crew isn't doing anything wrong. ☕

Susan said:Let me say this one more time: why does Wacky keep threatening to quit the DiK and then changes their mind every single time? This has happened multiple times over the last few years. I want a real, clear answer as to why you’re threatening to resign like you did just a couple of days ago.

All my posts in this thread were wiped. I hope rustydrifter10 can see what was deleted.

🤔 You ask a question, then flip-flop and claim you don't care about my answer (like in your last post yesterday), and now suddenly you're looking for an answer again.

No clue who's deleting posts or why.

But fine, here's your answer.

The first time I offered to step down was because of the clique involving Richard Sanders7, the web crew, lovecat, and others who were hell-bent on pushing me out once I showed up and actually enforced some order—basically shutting down their attempts to insult everyone else on the board. They claimed I wasn't fit for the job. So, I offered to quit. It wasn't accepted.

The second time (just the other day) I offered it as a joke to duxi, since she was trying way too hard to become a moderator. She's a regular user and took it as a joke. We aren't going to explain the whole moderator selection process to you; that's internal business. Like I said, since everyone took it way too seriously, Tyler Vaughn7 said she wasn't on board. There's nothing left to debate there.

And those were the "intense" resignation threats you're talking about.

Hope that clears things up. Also, just a heads up, it's pretty low to write stuff about someone you know absolutely NOTHING about, the way you trashed me yesterday. And you don't have to hide behind a burner account; I figured out it was you after your second post.

You all keep claiming I'm unfit, that most people are against me, and that you're unhappy with how I run things. Fine, everyone, speak up. The floor is yours. You claim people are DMing you? Who even are you? Send those messages to the super-mods or report me to the Board. Don't act like a coward by using a fake handle, failing miserably at hiding it, and trying to lynch a moderator just because your "expert" psychoanalysis decided I'm a sadist.

Hopefully you actually read this response, since I'm repeating myself. If I have this "need" to be "macho," "apply pressure," "control," or "boss people around," I'll find much healthier ways to blow off steam. I'm definitely not going to "oppress" anyone on this board. Especially since this is volunteer work—which, even if it's unpaid, I take as seriously as any real job I've ever had.

Take care, Susan. I really hope you actually wanted an answer to your question, and that you won't just claim you don't care in your next post like you did at the end of your last one.

👋

P.S. If you want to keep this argument going, please do it under your real username. I'm done talking to clones...

So you're telling me I didn't matter to the rest of this sub-forum? 😲

That's a total lie—I didn't give a damn about anyone else except you 🙂

And let's get one thing straight: you didn't just "offer" to step down, you handed in an irrevocable resignation ☕

Bas, you are being totally wacky 🥳

The way I see it, we're looking at a technical glitch in the forum software. It seems like there's some kind of bug preventing Tyler Vaughn7 or slypuma12 from being cleared out of the moderator database. Honestly, that feels like the only logical explanation for why one of them is still showing up as a mod.

slypuma12 said:Let me clear this up. Yeah, that post wasn't banned—it was deleted because I figured it was smarter that way. Sorry you had to see it. Honestly, I was just trying to look out for you, which is why I pulled it. I didn't see any point in handing out bans for something reactionary when, from where I was sitting, nothing else was even being said. If something actually crosses the line, just REPORT IT! We aren't here to babysit your drama or read between the lines. Why have a report button if you aren't going to use it? Otherwise, we’ll just tell Anderlon to scrap it and everyone can just fight in the DMs or on the PŽK.

As for that other post you mentioned about Womcat, there's zero controversy there. The guy was just sharing his take. It was a little unrefined, sure, but it’s just one person's opinion. I don't get why you're dragging that into something that doesn't involve you. If Womcat felt targeted or insulted by it, she would've reported it, and I'm sure a ban would've followed. Like I said, it got wiped because it was starting a bad vibe in the thread, and as mods, deleting stuff is our first move to cool things down. If that fails, then comes the banning.

The people from the off-topic section? Let me explain. Did you guys come from off-topic or not? Did the people who got warned start posting all kinds of junk, just like they were doing in off-topic? Just step back for a second and look at the big picture. You'll see nobody has some secret agenda against anyone; you're just projecting and making mountains out of molehills. And as for being called "off-topic crowd"... well, that's just the facts. We don't treat you any differently than the regulars.

You don't see the point in banning? Well, obviously, you ban people so they rack up points and eventually get kicked. If you didn't see the point in those reactionary bans, why didn't you just ban him immediately since you agree the post was gross? 🤷
And what I'm saying is that wasn't the only post like that—there was also that one about sexual obsession with your own mom and a bunch of others.
So I'll say it again: Gray's posts get deleted without much consequence, while the "off-topic" crew gets banned or hit with partials for way milder comments.

P.s. I'm not trying to start anything regarding calls for resignations or the rest of this debate, I'm just pointing out that you have one way of treating the "off-topic" folks, and a very different way of treating Gray. How many times have you locked chats because of him and given him a "final" warning, only for him to still be there typing whatever pops into his head?
And yeah, I came over from Alternativa, if that matters to you.

Regarding that whole "they're from the off" thing, let me remind slypuma12 that I'm not part of that group. I was hanging out on Dik-chatu way before you even showed up...
And I'm active on plenty of other subreddits too, like the Music one. So, seriously, quit trying to gatekeep like that.

The second thing—or really the main reason dustypilot11 started this thread—is exactly what you did: you DELETED your post?!
Honestly, it would’ve been better if you just left it there for the whole community to see.

Since when does deleting a post count as a punishment? Why wasn't that offensive post first flagged with a warning and then deleted, which is how you normally handle rule-breaking here?

So we're back to dustypilot11's question: why are posts where a female user is targeted with insults like "whore" or "drunkard" just wiped away without any penalty, while posts with much more harmless comments (like the ones from Daria) get hit with massive bans?

Sandra Martin63 said:I’m really not trying to get dragged into all the little inside jokes and forum drama since I don't spend a ton of time hanging out here, but since I first joined this DiK thread, nobody has ever labeled me as some kind of Offovk or warned me about how I should act, which clearly happens for a reason...

Maybe we could just open up a separate sub-forum specifically for all the bullying and venting so certain people can just blast their frustrations there and let the rest of us users actually chill out in peace?

Maria Johnson said:Here is my take on Wacky.
He's a super discreet moderator, and he always reaches out with a warning before handing out any penalties, trying his best to de-escalate things via private message first.
Personally, I think he's totally fine and a very peaceful moderator, if you know what I mean...

electricnomad3 said:Well, I've got a few thoughts on this. Wacky is actually a fantastic moderator. I haven't had much run-ins with Tyler Vaughn7 yet (and honestly, I'm not looking to!), but Wacky is willing to be flexible sometimes, and then certain people take advantage of that kindness and start crying about him being "mean" the moment he finally has to lay down the law.
And you know those types like swiftgull4 and Bella will probably claim everyone is crazy because they aren't out there instigating fights or insulting people, nor do they even get into arguments themselves... 🙄

+1
I haven't had a single issue with either Wacky or Tyler Vaughn7!
Their moderation style isn't controversial at all in my book. Being a moderator is a tough job, especially when you're actually trying to be a decent human being, and there's always going to be someone who's unhappy with the decisions made.
I just wanted to jump in and show some support for them...

slypuma12 said:As stated. Some forum user who, if people don't fall in line with her opinion, starts egging everyone else on to pick fights with her. Sarah... seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You pick fights with everyone, go out of your way to provoke people, and then when they finally snap back at you, you play the victim. It’s pathetic. Look, I've had way too many long-winded, exhausting arguments with you. And honestly? I’m not doing it again. You didn't listen to a single thing I suggested, and instead, you just kept twisting everything to suit your own agenda and doing things your way regardless.

🙏

Hannah Brown7 said:That's just not true.

The whole debate over Anthony kicked off when swiftranger46 dropped that post... So, he’s out there calling for everyone to sing those Cavoglave songs again, basically saying she's absolutely revolting. And honestly? He thinks anyone who isn't riding with Tomson or standing right by his side is just plain disgusting. Total scorched earth policy, I guess.

Look, if you're gonna step up and speak, at least have the decency to tell the truth.

So, here we go again with the whole "tractor rally" nonsense and all those other posts from that thread. It’s just non-stop brainwashing and dealing with every single contrarian on this Forum. And then you have the nerve to personally link me to some Mexican site, basically telling me I don't belong here? Wow. Truly mature, deeply reasoned, and incredibly intellectual of you. Real classy. 👍

I guess Dario is the guy who didn't jump on the bandwagon with your posts, and somehow he got banned for totally mindless stuff that didn't even include personal insults. As for Parcial, he only got flagged because of some jabs at Wacky, which honestly aren't any worse than the crap most people down here throw at anyone with a different opinion every single day.

But that’s not even what we’re talking about here.

I can't believe people actually fall for this stuff. Seriously. It's like watching a slow-motion car crash where everyone's cheering for the driver. I mean, you see these discussions popping up on the Forum and you just have to wonder if anyone has actually used their brain today. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but it feels like we're all just circling the drain at this point. Anyway, I was reading what Richard Sanders7 had to say earlier, and honestly? Total nonsense. Just pure, unadulterated fluff. It’s like some people get paid by the word to spout nothingness. I guess some folks just enjoy the sound of their own voices, right? Probably. And don't even get me started on the whole situation with the local authorities—it's basically like trying to get a straight answer out of a politician in D.C. during an election year. Good luck with that. You're better off asking a brick wall for directions. I swear, it's almost impressive how much they manage to dodge the actual point. Almost.

Where exactly does it say that in this post?
Liar, liar, pants on fire. Seriously.

It was about this one. songs. Look, you can listen all you want, but it’s honestly kind of a waste—it's not like you're actually gonna get it anyway. 🙂

Dario Dejaneiro said:Haha, this guy jumps into a thread and immediately starts spilling everything. Here's his post. Now he can go ahead and start with the lies.

I can't believe I'm actually looking at this again. Seriously. It's like staring into a void of pure nonsense. I mean, does anyone else feel like they're losing brain cells just reading this stuff? Maybe it's just me. I guess. But honestly, it's pretty wild how some people can just sit there and type out absolute garbage without a second thought. It’s almost impressive, in a deeply tragic sort of way. Just total chaos. Total madness. Whatever.

Maybe try putting your heads together with a friend and actually reading the post so it makes some sense, though I highly doubt you guys will pull that off. :bicedobro :

Hannah Brown7 said:No, Amanda Diaz, that's just the truth.

The whole debate kicked off because of that post from swiftranger46, and honestly, that post is still sitting right there at the top of the thread. So, like, here's the call to action: let's get out there and start singing about Cavoglave.So, after Wakijev joined the fray about four or five posts down the line...

😂

Noah Vaughn39 said:I can't believe I'm even looking at this again. Honestly, what was he thinking? It’s like watching someone walk straight into a brick wall over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but man, some people really lack that basic survival instinct, you know? Just total chaos. Anyway, whatever. Moving on.
And here’s a post from my wife, who’s actually posting on this same thread. It’s chronological, if you look closely—it popped up right after mine and kind of builds on what I was saying. She doesn't go on about singing that Cavoglav song (even though I don't think there's anything wrong with the track itself), and she doesn't get all grossed out by anyone who isn't listening to it.

Honestly, I’d settle for just a basic apology regarding those "extremist" accusations, but hey, I totally get why that might be a tall order after all the lies you've been spinning.

Also, for the record, the idea that I have some kind of bias on any subforum is a total lie. You could check that pretty easily if you actually bothered. As for why I don't post in some of the subforums I personally set up? That’s just my choice, nothing more. I guess I just feel like it.

Just so we can get a bit more chatter going on this thread.

Some people are just like rabid foxes, you know? They just spin in circles, biting their own tails and refusing to stop. I guess they actually convinced themselves that someone else is out there doing the biting. Typical. 😁

Edit: I gotta brag a little—all three of my trading cards look way better with the Wacky version. 😍

The issue isn't really about the specific posts that were removed; it’s more about the ones that should have been taken down but weren't. It comes down to how he or Tyler Vaughn7 handles things. That’s the core of what we're discussing here—this feeling that the moderation standards are totally inconsistent. Honestly, it feels like a repeat of last year: the exact same moderators, just a different group of users on the forum.

swiftgull4 said:+1
I've never had a single issue with Wacky or Tyler Vaughn7.
Their moderation style doesn't bother me at all. Being a mod isn't easy, especially when you're actually trying to be a decent human being. Someone’s always gonna have something to complain about.
Just wanted to throw some support their way.

Like I said, I didn't start this thread to attack the mods in general, and it's not even a "support the staff" kind of thing.
Since you already pointed out how those posts were out of line—calling me a total slut and calling WomCat some low-class hick—the only real question is whether those posts should've been nuked. And yeah, they definitely should've been.

swiftgull4 said:+1
I personally haven't had any issues with either Wacky or Tyler Vaughn7.
Their moderation style doesn't bother me one bit. Being a moderator isn't easy, especially when you're actually trying to be a decent human being. Someone is always going to be unhappy with how things are run.
Just wanted to offer my support to them.

I also want to throw my support behind the current DiK moderation team. I think Tyler Vaughn7 and Wackya are unbiased and fair mods who have finally brought some actual order to this forum. Before they stepped in, there was way too much intolerance and constant insults unless you belonged to a specific clique. Personally, I used to get targeted quite often—people would call me a pedophile and all sorts of other names. Well, if the shoe fits, I guess.

dustypilot11 said:Like I said before, I didn't start this thread to stage some big protest against the moderators in general, and it’s definitely not meant to be a platform for just showing support for them across the board.
Since you mentioned how those posts were totally out of line—specifically where they called me a slut and labeled WomCat as some low-class hick with shredded underwear—my only real question is whether those posts should have been trashed immediately. And honestly, they really should have been...

Look, I never actually said you were that, dustypilot11, and I certainly wasn't attacking you!
I just truly believe we should let the mods get on with their jobs without interference, because let me tell you, it's a tough gig...
It feels like suddenly everyone is jumping in with random tangents and criticisms that don't even have any basis in reality...

Those posts really shouldn't have been deleted; at least then we could actually see what was originally written
and we wouldn't have all these drama queens spinning their own versions of events...

Hoodov.

Modrobradi said:You can't see what's right in front of you when you're too short-sighted.

Tomson’s music isn't much, maybe three or four good tracks... but it’s patriotic. "Cavoglave" is basically an anthem against aggression, an ode to courage and loyalty to the homeland, choosing sacrifice over comfort, and a loud middle finger to the overwhelming force tearing through our homes.

That was the song people used to honor their fallen...

Someone who’s been driven from his own flock and left to struggle in isolation, trying to find their way in a world they didn't choose—they get it. And at the height of their glory, they want to share that with the World.

Americans haven't threatened the kids living across the border in Mexico. Just their politicians.

That's why I wrote it yesterday—keep it real, Ćiro. The man said nobody should mess with American patriotism.

Amanda Diaz said:So this girl at my favorite fast food joint tells me now that since I shaved, I'm just some guy with a beard and no lips. What a joke, everything is backwards today, you can't even wear a black jersey with a beard. And where's the black jersey? That's the bigger problem. Just drowning my sorrows in a soda.

And there's nothing left to hold onto.

It's all gone bad now.

Amanda Diaz said:Went out to buy a black jersey this morning and they told me they don't have any. What a disaster, how am I supposed to show up now? The clerk says they only have red and white, and honestly, where else am I supposed to go? You can't exactly hang out at the pier wearing red and white.

So, my trip to Mexico City was a total bust.😢

Amanda Diaz said:Hey, bulldozers are always a good investment. They could level out Republika Srpska once and for all.

7nationarmy said:Here we go again. It’s the same old story—some girl gets worked up because Americans won't cheer for the Mexican team, starts a whole chain reaction of nonsense, and keeps going until she decides she needs to call for a split just to avoid seeing all these patriots and everything else...

swiftranger46 said:Man, this clone is always trolling here.

swiftranger46 said:Just wanted to say I'm rooting for the Blue Team. 🎉

And another thing that's got me worried and confused 😲 😲 is how it's been 3:00 PM on a Friday and there are only 7 people on the Forum. 😲 😲

Oh, and yeah, I'm making some cheese pastries right now for Misica. 😍

Modrobradi said:There are better places for online hangouts where you can actually be yourself and find plenty of die-hard fans.

https://forum.krstarica.com/forum.php?

Just so you know...🙂

Amanda Diaz said:Why? Come on, you aren't really scared of some empty barking, are you? They bark a lot because they just want attention. Kind of like my daughter... she got scared, and I told her I'd pull the batteries out of her backside if she was that afraid...

You were the one acting all silly and giggling. You’re the one stirring the pot, cheering on the drama, and basically shutting down anyone who didn't agree with you...

Yeah, and regarding those specific posts about the local town, they got deleted along with half the thread, including that whole tractor protest saga...

Luckily, I saved a bit of this, even though I usually scrub the nonsense...
On the post where Ryan Collins called you out for constantly inciting fights and trash-talking, this was your response—which also got nuked, but I kept it in my personal files...

swiftranger46 said:Look at this post
I wasn't getting worked up; I was just over all of you. Especially you, acting like you're being attacked every five seconds, leaving for two pages, then coming right back. And then there's your little friends who show up just to provoke people and then pretend to be classy ladies, when really they're just looking for a fight and know exactly how it ends, but they come back anyway just to mess with everyone...

Anyway, that's my take.

Just to set the record straight.

Actually, I am a lady, and yeah, I used to be your friend. You were the one personally asking me to join your group chats...
When exactly did this "friendship" happen, and why did it end?
Maybe right about now...

And no, I wasn't "acting out," I was just stating facts...

This DiK used to be a place where interesting, creative people hung out and nobody cared about labels. That was until this group of frustrated, wannabe nationalists showed up, claiming things that aren't theirs and attacking anyone who doesn't fall in line. They're basically terrorizing the entire message board...

The fact that you've suddenly started picking on me isn't my problem...
It's yours...

I'm done writing here...

And if anyone still has doubts, just go read the rules set by the owner...

Sorry, but you can only run wild in your own house.

Just be a grown-up and admit it bothers you that I'm an American on this board. Why hide your true feelings behind all this fluff? You started this whole mess, from the moment you posted that you couldn't stand anyone who didn't support the local political movement! You fueled the fire and played games with posts that only stayed up because half the conversation was deleted, just like Ryan Collins pointed out...

Stop playing games...

I'm not participating in this debate anymore. It feels wrong to post stuff like this on the PŽK alongside two moderators who don't seem to care, and a bunch of adults who think they're so much smarter than everyone else...

I have no interest in wasting more time on people who can't see past their own noses...