Moderation for the Tesla thread

I’m officially appealing this strike, just as I’ve been wanting to protest the absolute disaster of moderation over in the Tesla thread—especially given how incredibly biased that moderator Banderas is.
It’s funny, really... they go around banning people who actually contribute something to the conversation—you know, folks providing actual arguments, data, and links—while the verified trolls, who spend two hundred pages just nitpicking everyone else's lives without ever touching the topic, aren't even sanctioned. In fact, they get rewarded by having their critics banned, simply because the moderator happens to be on their side.

banderas said:jadeorca42,

You have received an infraction on Reddit.

Reason: Violation of sub-forum rules
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This infraction is worth 30 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?p=61617433

Quote: Mingus said:The debate was about electric versus gas engines, which you were probably suggesting as the salvation for Elon Musk, much like you’re now suggesting they manufacture scuba gear. The whole point of the post you’re quoting was to highlight the obvious death knell of a brand that flips its entire stance overnight to something diametrically opposed—something that would happen to Tesla if they did the same.

So, what, you think I didn't realize Ferrari used to make tractors back in the day? 🤣

Actually, I personally know the owner of one of those models, and the same goes for Porsche tractors.

See, you don't really grasp what I'm trying to explain here. It isn't about whether producing something is beneath a company's dignity—personally, I wouldn't mind them making toilet paper if it turned a profit—it's more about the branding, the marketing, and finding the right market fit. It comes down to this:

On what exact basis have you decided that pivoting to a completely different product line could actually be profitable? Or, to put it in your own words, what are your actual arguments for manufacturing something like that from a techno-economic standpoint? 🍿

I'm pretty sure if you could prove and back up your ideas about the profitability of underwater scooters—or whatever else—with hard numbers to any major corporation, you'd be handsomely rewarded for it. Are you proposing something similar to your own global firm? 😁

I don't have an argument against you, per se; you just completely misinterpreted my post and the way I was mocking yours. Maybe underwater scooters will be the biggest thing in the world next year, but it’s just kind of ridiculous how confidently you talk about million-dollar profits based on nothing but instinct? Is it knowledge? Experience? Or maybe just one beer too many? And then you turn around and accuse everyone else, including Elon Musk, of being stupid just because they don't see the long-term viability in your little idea.

But then again, those followers of yours jumped right in to back you up—it’s pretty typical for an American backyard debate, really. Everyone just rallies around whoever is shouting the loudest, and they were all more than happy to argue how they could sell diving masks or somehow strike it rich manufacturing wetsuits.

I mean, sure, you can make billions in profit off pretty much any product if you look hard enough, but there's a massive gap between blowing smoke on a Reddit thread and actually sitting down with a real economic feasibility study. 👍

So, you’re just doubling down on the nonsense like usual, digging yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself this time.

First off, I’m not making any definitive claims here; I’m just thinking out loud about what *could* happen, hypothetically speaking. We've seen plenty of wild suggestions lately regarding what Elon Musk might produce next—things like designer rims (which, let's be honest, Elon Musk is already lying about doing), high-end functional sports seats, gas-powered cars, or even underwater scooters...
Just some food for thought.

And yet, you "true believers" jump all over it, scrambling to find every possible reason why such ideas are impossible or stupid. Well, fine, maybe it is stupid—I don't really give a damn. Are you happy now?

But claiming that some small-scale outfit, which prides itself on electric vehicle tech, could also pivot to making "fun gadgets" like bicycles (even though they aren't really bikes)—well, saying it would be beneath the dignity of such a company to manufacture branded underwater scooters for the mega-yacht crowd (a business that is currently seeing massive momentum)—that is just stupidity *par excellence*.

It's just as ridiculous as the claim that it wouldn't be profitable for Elon Musk to risk entering the scooter market. What kind of risk are we even talking about? They supposedly build high-performance cars, and now suddenly it's too hard to make a torpedo that's basically two halves of a shell snapped together like a Kinder Egg, filled with batteries, an electric motor, a seal, and a propeller? A couple pieces of thick ABS plastic, a plastic propeller—they could probably order those from a local supplier—and they already have everything else. 🤦🤦🤦

Son, you are completely illiterate. Like, totally hopeless.

But let me say it again—it's probably better if he listens to you instead of me. Honestly, I couldn't care less.

All the best,
Reddit

Just a prime example of the freshest trolling going on in this thread, where tons of posts have been reported—especially those one-liners meant purely to stir the pot—yet nobody gets a red card.

Take this page and the next two:

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=900473&page=271

The post that actually earned you a warning for "violating subforum rules" was this one:

So you’re just doubling down on the nonsense like usual, desperately digging yourself out of the hole you crawled into...
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And then you have all these "true believers" jumping down my throat, trying to find every possible excuse for why it's impossible or stupid. Look, it's stupid. I don't give a damn. Happy now?
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It's the same crap as the argument that it doesn't make sense for Elon Musk to risk entering scooter production. What kind of risk are we even talking about here?
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He'd be better off listening to you than me. Personally, I couldn't care less.

You put all of that in a single post—using gutter language and a level of hostility that isn't allowed here. You got a relatively minor warning for it (-30 points), and yet here you are complaining about it. 🤦
You're busy filing a mountain of reports, yet your own writing style ensures half your posts should probably end up flagged.

For example, look at your next post: http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5403

Where you use the exact same tone, something like:
Honestly, his face is so thick you could use it as shielding for a nuclear power plant. Someone that ignorant shouldn't even be allowed in a debate, let alone acting like they're lecturing everyone else from a high horse.

You didn't get flagged for that one, despite writing like that constantly.

By the way, looking at the last four pages, the "pro" camp has been getting hit with warnings:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5410
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5436

Meanwhile, besides the warning on the post above, the "contra" side also picked up this one—and that was only their third post using that exact same style on the same side:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5438

Funny how you didn't report any of those three. Quite a coincidence, isn't it? 😬

Robin Rodriguez5 said:The post you actually got flagged for "subforum rule violation" was this one where you wrote:

So you just keep spouting nonsense like usual, just digging yourself out of the hole you crawled into this time...
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And then all you "true believers" jump down my throat, looking for any possible reason why that’s impossible or stupid. Well, fine, it’s stupid—I don’t give a damn. Happy now?
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It’s just like all this garbage about how it doesn't make sense for Elon Musk to risk moving into scooter production. What risk, for crying out loud?
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Honestly, he might as well listen to you instead of me. I couldn't care less.

You put all of that in a single post—using that aggressive vocabulary and an unacceptable tone—so you get a relatively minor warning (rule violation - 30 points), and yet here you are complaining about it.
You’re firing off a bunch of reports, while your own posts are written in a way that practically begs for a flag every other time.

For instance, look at your next post: http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5403

Where you write in the exact same style, like:
Man, you have the kind of lack of education that you could use as bandages for nuclear power plants. Someone that uneducated really shouldn't be participating in discussions, let alone acting like they can lecture everyone else from a high horse.

You didn't get flagged for that, but you're constantly writing like that.

Anyway, looking at the last 4 pages, the warnings are clearly hitting the "pro" camp:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5410
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5436

While, besides the warning on that top post, the "contra" side only got this one, and that was only on their 3rd post of the same type on the same side:
http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=6...postcount=5438

Of course, you didn't report any of those three, which is funny if you think about it.

Fine. Getting flagged for the aggressive language—fair enough.

I haven't reported many of the other "contra" posts because by the time they actually get flagged, it's too late, even though they do nothing except attack the character and actions of other users. And that's coming from people who haven't done anything else for 273 pages but obsess over what others are doing—god knows why. They provoke, they insult, they troll. It's been going on for 273 pages. But in their posts, I guess there wasn't any "aggressive language."
Here are just a few recent pages of the thread:

Blatant trolling / insults

Mingus said:Maybe the issue is that nobody even brought that up, yet you've been writing about it all heated up for several pages now. 😁

Well, it's pretty simple. You explained how it works, and it's obvious why his massive company trusts him with billions; I just don't get why you're so worked up that Elon Musk isn't listening to you. Maybe if you post one more facepalm emoji, he'll finally hear you?😁

Honestly, the sheer amount of agitation in your posts just shows you couldn't care less about what Elon Musk is actually doing. Either that, or you're just hitting that wall again where you realize you were wrong—you know, when being constructive requires actually thinking for a second before typing. But hey, I guess an ad hominem attack is always easier. 👍

Mingus said:I’m glad my little lessons are sinking in, but instead of getting all worked up, maybe it would be better to channel that negative energy into something useful—so we don't end up with another meltdown a few pages down the road. But then again, I probably expect too much. 🍿

Mingus said:We've seen this movie before. jadeorca42 basically proved that the whole hierarchy—or at least the part involving Elon Musk—is a total sham. They found some employee at Deloitte with the same last name and jumped straight to concluding the whole thing is a massive conspiracy, likely orchestrated by some mysterious dentist out in California.

Mingus said:People were already talking about this; it's been proven the data was completely fabricated. Apparently, that same dentist from California managed to get a woman with the name Rimac into Deloitte... I mean, I can connect the dots myself.

Anyway, at first people thought this was just Elon Musk cooking up a money-laundering scheme, but now it seems someone much more serious is pulling the strings, and all signs point back to that "dentist." Even though they've fooled the entire world and control the mainstream media, those wicked capitalist monsters clearly underestimated the average guy on Reddit to think we wouldn't see through it.

Just trolling

bodulas said:A few days ago, driving down the highway toward Los Angeles, I swear I saw a mirage. A Bugatti Veyron and a C1 cruising right past me. If it wasn't a mirage, it had to be a hologram, because there's just no way.
P.S. I wasn't high—which, honestly, makes this whole thing even more surreal.

bodulas said:Oh, you've been to Asia? Wow, don't tell me, I’m practically shaking from the sheer revelation.

Trolling (aimed at another user)

Mingus said:He works for a massive global corporation, anyway. 🙏

Trolling

bodulas said:And I suppose everyone attacking him is either a PhD in electrical engineering or an MBA graduate who specializes in designing scuba masks or underwater fans. 😵
It’s a pretty ridiculous debate; I wrote a few pages back that reading this stuff during my breaks is the only thing that lifts my mood.🙂

Just straight-up lying, whenever it suits them—basically repeating debunked myths or just trolling, which is against the rules on every sub-forum here. Look at the bolded part.

Mingus said:There have already been several car reviews, but I guess the decision on who actually counts as an expert is supposed to be made right here on Reddit, right? 🤣

Even if that were the case, if the reviews were positive, people would still find some way to discredit the expert and claim Elon Musk bought them off. It was the same deal with that one major automotive magazine that claimed to be the gold standard, only to become completely irrelevant by the time they published.

What are we even talking about? Some of you guys were basically questioning whether the cars even existed in the first place. 🤣

Nobody on this forum has ever disputed the actual existence of automobiles. This is just the same lie being recycled for the 273rd time.

Trolling

bodulas said:The guru has spoken.

I haven't seen moderation this biased since the absolute worst days of the political subreddits. And honestly—my colorful choice of words is more of a symptom of lazy mods rather than the cause. It seems like my specific vocabulary is the only thing capable of actually nudging (some) moderators to do their jobs. Not that I’m planning on cleaning up my act, though. If someone is lying, you call them a liar; if they're being idiots, you call them idiots; if they're illiterate, well, you point out the illiteracy. When people talk nonsense, it needs to be called out. Besides, given how much I've contributed to this thread, whether you like my input or not, I think I have way more leeway to hand out criticism than that duo of trolls—who, just so we're clear, contribute absolutely nothing (zero, zilch, nada) to the discussion other than trolling and obsessing over other users' "envy."

Oh, and we should probably mention that one troll from Canada they let run wild, dragging this whole thread out to over 100 pages with those massive walls of text—all while using at least five proven alt accounts.

Sure, he was reported, but man, it took you guys at least twenty pages to actually ban him (and each clone individually). Just enough time for him to bloat the entire thread.

Look, if you didn't catch my drift—and I know you did, this is just me being rhetorical—either we apply the same standard across the board here, or you can just go ahead and delete my account.

If I were moderating, posts like that would be getting deleted instantly. You wouldn't even last five minutes before being banned. It’s all about holding everyone to the exact same standard.

So, let me get this straight—you don't consider it trolling when people drop one-liners just to pick on other users? I guess if they aren't adding anything to the actual discussion, they aren't trolls in your book?
Well, fine then. If the people you're calling trolls—the ones who do nothing but insult others and offer zero substance—aren't actually trolls, then I suppose we need to escalate this to a higher authority or something. Not that I was looking for your input anyway; you've proven yourself to be completely biased on this topic, time and time again.

And here we go again, the same troll keeps looping back to this thread with zero response.