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Budget build: Which chipset should I use with an Intel Core i3-6100 Skylak?

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Participants Jeremy Fowler4Bryan Taylor6Robert Rodriguez2crimsonstag84Kimberly Gomez34wiredotter14Douglas Lewis39William Richardson12
Jeremy Fowler4 Jeremy Fowler4 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Dec 2015
#1 ·
Hey
So, as I mentioned in the title, I'm having a bit of a headache picking out a chipset for this processor.
I'm building a PC now, with plans to add a GPU, more RAM, and an SSD in about four months.
This isn't a gaming rig—it's for work, specifically embedded systems programming (C, Python), MATLAB simulations... basically the kind of heavy lifting you see in engineering school. 😁 For that reason, AMD is pretty much off the table; the lack of certain instruction sets ends up costing too much time. Plus, I run various virtual machines quite often, and in my experience, AMD hasn't always played nice with those—unless the newer chips have fixed that. All things considered, I've settled on the Intel Core i3-6100, which seems like a solid choice for my needs.

Here is the build I've put together so far:
All prices are based on Micro Center (though Best Buy or Newegg might have better deals, but whatever 😁 )
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Intel Core i3-6100 (3MB Cache, 3.80 GHz), s1151, (50w) box $314

MSI H170M Pro-VDH motherboard (7952-011R), s1151, DDR4 — $686 at Micro Center

DDR4 4GB 1x4GB Crucial, 2133MHz, $14

1TB WD Blue HDD, 3.5", 7200RPM, 64MB Cache, SATA III, WD10EZEX $170
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I ALREADY HAVE:
a case (ATX), power supply (600W, 80 Plus Bronze), and peripherals (except for a monitor).

The main roadblock is either the unavailability or the insane prices of H170 boards. They're priced almost identically to—or even $17 more than—the cheapest Z170 boards. Honestly, the bigger issue is just finding them, especially in an ATX format.

What matters to me in a motherboard:
- DDR4 support (having 4 slots would be nice... but let's be real)
- Since I'll be adding an SSD later, I'm wondering if it's worth paying extra for specialized connectors that an SSD might utilize down the road, or if I should just focus on SATA speeds. U.2? eSATA? Stuff like that.
- Having USB 3.1 is a plus, though not deal-breaking; I could live with pure USB 2.0 (even though 3.0 usually works fine, I'm thinking about compatibility with various systems).
- PCI 3.0!
- Build quality. One reason I'm avoiding Z170 is that high-quality boards are pricey. I don't want to buy something cheap and flimsy for $267; I'd rather pay $65 or $233 for a higher-quality H170 or B150.

As for H110—the entire internet seems divided on whether it's actually worth it.

So the big question is: which chipset should I go with? Is it worth grabbing an H170 board, given that the price is nearly the same as a smaller form factor? (I'd definitely prefer ATX).
What are your experiences with the B150 chipset? Is there any real-world performance difference?

THE PROBLEM WITH COMPARING BOARDS
I haven't been able to find any specific benchmarks using identical components across different chipsets. I'll take whatever data you can throw my way.
The PC will likely get one upgrade in four months and then get used heavily for 3 or 4 years.

GPU
I'll eventually drop a GPU in there worth roughly $400. I'm curious how much a B150 architecture can actually squeeze out of a card like that. I haven't dug too deep into GPUs yet, just trying to figure out what's decent for my budget (though some older Radeon cards are okay for $300 and perform reasonably well).

RAM
I'll probably add another 4GB stick later, or maybe just swap in a new 8GB stick depending on how the budget looks.

Overclocking
I'm not interested in overclocking—not for the ridiculous premium you have to pay right now for a Z170 board and overclockable RAM at 3GHz just to get a 20% boost. It's just not worth the extra $333.

My total budget for these parts is around $767 (I still need to factor in a monitor, but that's a conversation for another day 😁).

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read this.😁
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
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joined Oct 2017
#2 ·
If you're looking for a workstation setup, why not stick with something tried and true? You could grab an H81 board like the ones on $100 along with some DDR3 memory... everything works perfectly there, and it's super affordable for programming tasks. It should be just fine...

What's the actual benefit of switching to DDR4 for your specific needs?
Jeremy Fowler4 Jeremy Fowler4 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Dec 2015
#3 ·
Bryan Taylor6, since the Intel Core i3-6100 is a significant step up from the older i3 generations—and honestly cheaper too—it just makes sense. You really want DDR4 here, given that this processor was practically engineered to pair with it; trying to force it onto DDR3 would be a bit of a mismatch. Plus, we can probably expect DDR4 prices to keep sliding down.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#4 ·
Jeremy Fowler4 said:Bryan Taylor6, look, the Intel Core i3-6100 is way faster than the older i3 generations, plus it’s actually cheaper. You need DDR4 because this processor was basically built to run with it. It doesn't make sense to pair it with DDR3. Besides, we can expect DDR4 prices to drop soon...

Well, hopefully there's a processor out there that can actually compete with it. If you save money on the motherboard and DDR4 RAM, you could probably grab an i5... even if it has an older architecture. Putting DDR3 on modern boards is just pointless, though even that DDR3 hits 1900MHz or higher sometimes...

I honestly thought right now wasn't the best time to buy into a new platform. Everything is still being tested, and in a few months, prices for motherboards and memory will likely dip...
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
353 messages
joined Jul 2015
#5 ·
Jeremy Fowler4 said:Bryan Taylor6, look, the Intel Core i3-6100 is way faster than the older i3 gen, and honestly, it’s cheaper too. You want DDR4 because that chip was basically built for it. Pairing it with DDR3 would be a mistake. Plus, expect DDR4 prices to drop soon anyway.

With Haswell, you could easily step up to an i5, so you're covered either way.👍
Architecture doesn't matter much—whether it's B150 H110 or whatever chipset you pick, any GPU will work as long as there's a PCIe slot, and they all have one. Also, it doesn't matter if it's PCIe 3.0 or 2.0; the card will run fine regardless.

Regarding RAM, capacity matters more than speed. With your budget, you can grab whatever you need without breaking a sweat.
Since you aren't planning on overclocking, a board from $150 is more than enough for your needs.

konfa Centro gives you a board with 4 RAM slots and an i5 processor for a tiny price jump.

And even under $300, you can find decent monitors with VA panels, maybe even some IPS if you're lucky.
Monitor 22''- ADM

or 24''
Monitor 24'' - ADM
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
518 messages
joined Jun 2010
#6 ·
Running VMs or multitasking with an i3 and 4GB of RAM? Just a hard pass. 😁

If you can't stretch your budget right now, maybe just hold off a little longer... personally, I'd rather wait for Skylake since $17 it ends up being more cost-effective than a Haswell combo. An i3 just isn't enough.

Intel Core i5-6402
Kingston 1x8GB DDR4 2133 C15, KNG-KVR21N15S8-8
Toshiba P300 1TB, 64MB, 7200rpm HDWD110UZSVA
ASRock B150M-HDS

Total: $861 konfa Centro

Monitor:
Jeremy Fowler4 Jeremy Fowler4 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Dec 2015
#7 ·
Is paying extra for an ATX board actually worth it?
The motherboard
Gigabyte GA-B150-HD3, 1151, iB150, DDR4, S3, USB 3.0, DVI, A—it has DDR4 and it’s the only version I’ve tracked down in ATX with 4 DIMM slots. You can find them for $237. These mATX boards usually run about $17 less
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I can't cut enough off the board price to actually afford any kind of i5.
From what I can tell, prices aren't really dropping, so maybe it makes more sense to just wait until spring and see if the next generation is worth it.
And does it even matter if a board has faster connectors for an SSD when those drives are still priced like luxury goods?
Though, I have to say, having a serial port on this specific board is a nice little touch 😁
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
686 messages
joined Jul 2009
#8 ·
For you, having more cores/threads and plenty of RAM matters way more than dropping cash on an expensive motherboard.
wiredotter14 wiredotter14 Regular
433 messages
joined Aug 2007
#9 ·
As far as the SATA III (6gb/s) ports go, they're plenty for any consumer SSD, and honestly, pretty much every motherboard has them anyway.

Regarding those other specs—just figure out what you actually need. I doubt most of that extra stuff is even necessary.

4 RAM slots... plenty of boards come with that, though you could totally get away with just 2 slots. Grab 8GB now, add another 8GB later. You probably won't need more than 16GB anyway. Still, plenty of boards offer 4 slots.

Like the guy above said, better to just grab a cheaper motherboard. Go with the cheapest i5 and 8GB of RAM to start.
You can always add more RAM down the line, and as for the graphics card, like I said, any motherboard will work just fine.

What crimsonstag84 wrote is spot on.
Douglas Lewis39 Douglas Lewis39 Newcomer
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joined May 2016
#10 ·
Just to follow up on that question about the Intel Core i3-6100.

A friend of mine picked up a Z170 motherboard to pair with an Intel Core i3-6100. He grabbed some DDR4 running at either 2800 or 3000 MHz and tried to overclock the BCLK after installing the latest BIOS update.

What was that build actually for? $33 Cheaper than an i5-6500. Pairing an ASRock H110M with DDR4 2133.

Opinions on YouTube and all over the internet are totally split on this because the performance is basically identical in newer games. So, I have to ask: how much does it actually make sense to grab an Intel Core i3-6100 with this specific setup? Since constant overclocking leads to faster wear and tear, there's always the risk of it dying. But then again, it’s half the price of an i5-6500. If it does kick the bucket, it’s easy to swap out later for a better CPU on the LGA 1151 socket. That way, I’d still be sitting on fast DDR4 and a Z170 board that’s pretty much future-proof regarding the socket.

If you went with that specific i5 build for the same price, you'd be stuck. You wouldn't have any real upgrade path because the motherboard is bottom-tier.

This is purely theorycrafting, and I’m looking for some expert opinions. 😁
Jeremy Fowler4 Jeremy Fowler4 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Dec 2015
#11 ·
Expanded the budget after some serious soul-searching 🙂
I eventually realized crimsonstag84 really nailed that build. I went with almost everything from that list—the only change was swapping out the drive for a WD 1TB.

I decided against the H110—didn't want to deal with the slower communication between the North and South bridges... back when I used to obsess over specs, that was a huge deal.😁 The difference sits at about $20

Skipped the Intel Core i5-4460 too. Prices are basically identical at places like Micro Center or Newegg, but the 4460 often ends up being more expensive—plus, it uses slower memory that costs a fortune if you actually want performance comparable to DDR4.

Saving money on an older motherboard wouldn't have been worth it; RAM is pricier now, and I’ll definitely need more capacity down the road.
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Intel Core i5-6402
Kingston 1x8GB DDR4 2133 C15, KNG-KVR21N15S8-8
WD 1TB, 64MB, 7200rpm
ASRock B150M-HDS

Total: $875 konfa Centro

For the monitor, I somehow managed to find the cheapest one available on Newegg.😁
AOC, 21.5", IPS, that's about it.$297 🙂

Thanks to everyone for the help—especially for pointing me toward researching the actual differences between the i3 and i5. After digging through some specific benchmarks and explanations, I pulled the trigger on the i5.
It's just a shame AMD doesn't have a direct competitor to the i5 that keeps the price lower.😢
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
686 messages
joined Jul 2009
#12 ·
I hope it isn't that slow 5400 RPM WD Blue😬

I decided against the H110 because of the slower interconnect speed between the North and South bridges.

That's some cool stuff, considering Intel processors from the 1155 socket era don't even have a dedicated Northbridge anymore.😁
When you're dealing with Intel CPUs, dropping a massive amount of cash on a high-end motherboard doesn't make much sense unless you specifically need:

- Overclocking capabilities
- Various RAID configurations or CF/SLI support
- A huge array of connectors that lower-end chipsets simply lack

@Angela Kim8

Even an i5 can run on an H110 board. They're listed on the CPU support lists, and there's really no significant difference—or even a tiny one regarding power draw or heat—compared to an i3 or lower-tier chips. You only go higher if you need those specific features mentioned above.

In my opinion, the i3 + z170 combo only makes sense if you are 100% certain you'll be upgrading to an Intel Core i7-6700K later. Otherwise, it’s much smarter to stretch your budget toward an i5 paired with a cheap motherboard or an AMD setup. wiredotter14 and Iwere actually just discussingthis exact topic
right here.
Jeremy Fowler4 Jeremy Fowler4 NewcomerOP
3 messages
joined Dec 2015
#13 ·
Cool stuff—though just a heads up, Intel chips from the 1155 socket era didn't have a dedicated Northbridge.

So if that's the case, why do chipsets still list specific DMI versions? Like how the H110 is v2 while the B150 is v3.
DMI is the link between the North and South bridges... or maybe I've got that wrong—a quick Wiki dive suggests I'm on the right track.
If it isn't that, what's the point of DMI then? Is it strictly for communication between the CPU and the bridge?
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
686 messages
joined Jul 2009
#14 ·
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answer...recidence.html
William Richardson12 William Richardson12 Regular
301 messages
joined Aug 2014
#15 ·
Why even stress about this if it’s not hitting your workflow? These aren't the machines we were dealing with 10 or 15 years ago. Unless you're running ten million calculations at once or pushing fifty million instructions per cycle, it’s basically irrelevant. If you actually need that kind of power, you better have the budget for it—and the ECC RAM to match. Otherwise, it's all just fairy tales...

The whole macOS OS boots up on a rig like that in maybe five to ten seconds. You really think you'll be doing anything more complicated than that?

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