The truth about modern music

stormygull22 said:

Perfectly dissected.

Raymond Walker5 said:All that tacky stuff mostly stems from the USA, which basically pioneered the art of squeezing money out of mindless sheep. They just manufacture these fake little stars to milk them for cash as long as they can stay relevant. It’s all just a byproduct of a consumerist capitalist machine. You essentially raise a generation to be total idiots and then sell them some low-effort, zero-talent garbage. Throw in some basic human impulses—like showing off bare skin or oversexualizing every male and female star—and you’ve got a guaranteed hit.
It isn't even music at this point; it's just an industry built for churning out profit.

Another pretty dark side to it is how this kind of "music" pushes certain values, behaviors, and lifestyles onto people. I'm convinced that Madonna's "Material Girl" had a massive impact on today's generation of shopaholics who were just teenagers back then—which is easily the most impressionable time when your whole personality starts taking shape.

Most of the clout-chasers and bloodsuckers out there were born after 1980—so honestly, who knows if this song even hits for them.
But it's a killer thought.

Richard Brown51 said:I’d personally go for a premiere that actually shows some love for Bon Iver 🙂 😍

Bon Iver 😁

Dennis Hall41 said:The biggest gold diggers and leeches tend to be from the post-1980 crowd, so I'm not sure how much that song actually resonates with them.
But it's a brilliant point.

I’ve always felt that the more impoverished, unrefined, and backwards a society becomes, the more you see this mindset take root—this whole parasitic way of thinking. Back when things were a bit more prosperous and we weren't quite so primitive, you just didn't see it nearly as often.
I wouldn't pin the blame entirely on the music, though. To become a total psychological void—someone who basically treats their body as currency under the guise of "love"—you either have to go through some incredibly harsh circumstances or you're just born that way.

Raymond Walker5 said:The poorer and more backward a society gets—it’s just basic logic—the more you see this whole peasant mentality and parasitic behavior cropping up. Back when things were more stable and less primitive, you didn't see nearly as much of that stuff.
I wouldn't put all the blame on music, though—to be a complete mental void that trades physical intimacy for material gain under the guise of "love," you either need some serious conditioning or you're just born that way.

It's not just about the music, and honestly, those influencers aren't solely to blame either. There are plenty of decent women out there just doing their jobs. Most of us here don't even cross paths with them—and frankly, it's better that way.

To me, the bigger issue is this growing sense of absolute contempt I'm seeing from women lately, and I honestly can't wrap my head around why.
Elvis Costello hit the nail on the head in what might be his best track, Beyond Belief, asking, "do you have to be so cruel to be callous?"

Raymond Walker5 said:The poorer and more backward a society becomes, the more you see this mentality of people looking for handouts and treating relationships like transactions. Back when we were more prosperous and less primitive, you didn't see this nearly as much.
I wouldn't pin it all on the music, though. To be a complete mental void that offers physical intimacy just to score material gains under the guise of "love," you either have to be raised that way or go through some pretty intense conditioning.

I agree. This kind of music is more of a symptom of our culture than the actual cause of its decay. But let's face it, (((certain groups))) benefit from people losing their identity and dignity. It’s easier for them to sell junk to people who feel like they've lost everything. That said, it isn't just about (((those specific groups))); the people being targeted have to be willing to let themselves be fooled for it to work.

stormygull22 said:I just watched this clip of Jubit, and even though I can see exactly why artists like Taylor Swift or Katy Perry are such massive hits over here in the States, it still gets to me. Lady Gaga is an interesting case study in modern pop stardom. While some dismiss her as mere spectacle, there is a calculated depth to her career that shouldn't be overlooked. She isn't just a performer; she's a brand built on constant reinvention and raw, unapologetic expression. Whether you find her avant-garde approach polarizing or brilliant, you can't deny her impact on the cultural landscape. She manages to bridge the gap between mainstream accessibility and high-concept art in a way few others can. I am Beyoncé.

And you’re telling me she isn't talented? Are you actually aware that she has written every single song on her first four albums? Honestly, have any of you even bothered to watch one of her live performances?

I agree that most of what’s hitting the airwaves lately is absolute garbage, but let's be fair—there are still some gems out there if you know where to look.

Please refrain from making any misogynistic or stereotypical comments regarding women

I find this entire thread quite amusing, including the title itself. It sounds rather arrogant, doesn't it? "The truth about modern music," as if we are all world-renowned music theorists rather than just people with far too much free time. 🤣

Topics like this have been chewed over countless times already, and honestly, the whole point remains just as nonsensical as ever... 🥱

There’s a certain logic to this—even if everyone just collectively decided that peasants should run the show instead of sultans, that’s still a valid point.
I’ve been spinning some Chorba lately, and honestly, the genius of Bon Iver is just how they tell you things you already know. They do it way better than I ever could, which is why I listen—it’s about the delivery, not just the message.
It’s the same deal here: the more ways we tackle the same idea, the clearer the whole picture becomes.

granitecyclist said:Hey, please cut out the misogynistic stereotypes about women

There’s nothing misogynistic here—no hate intended—I was just stating the facts as I see them. And honestly, I wasn't even talking about all women.

Casey Flores said:Threads like this have been chewed over a thousand times already, and the point is still completely lost. 🥱

"It doesn't matter if things go one way or another, nothing is ever really going to change..."

You've got a point, but at the end of the day, this is a forum. Part of why these places exist is to occasionally vent about how repetitive and pointless certain topics can be.

...But let's not make it a habit. 😛

Dennis Hall41 said:The biggest gold-diggers and social climbers were all born after 1980, so I'm not quite sure how much that song actually resonates with them.
But it's a pretty interesting thought.

I'm curious, who exactly are these "musical gold-diggers and social climbers" born after 1980? We're talking about music here, and if you're implying something else by using those terms, then it isn't really relevant to this discussion, so I guess the point doesn't carry much weight as an argument.

Dennis Hall41 said:It’s not just the music at fault, and I don't think the gold-diggers are entirely to blame either. There are plenty of perfectly normal women out there who are just doing their jobs...

In my opinion, the bigger issue seems to be this pervasive sense of contempt toward everything that I seem to be noticing more and more within the female population...

But it sounds like you're implying that most of the female population is to blame...

PS
And do you honestly believe that Madonna's song "Material Girl" had such a (damaging) impact that it raised entire generations of today's shopaholics? 😵
I think maybe you might be overestimating the power and influence music has on everyday life.

I feel like this post is pretty misogynistic and offensive too.

Raymond Walker5 said:I suppose the poorer, more primitive, and backwards a society becomes, the more you see this small-town, parasitic female mentality emerging. Back when we were more prosperous and less primitive, maybe there just weren't as many people like that.
I wouldn't necessarily blame music for it, because to be a total psychological and mental void—someone who basically trades their body for material gain under the guise of "love"—you'd either have to go through an incredibly harsh upbringing or just be born that way, I guess.

granitecyclist said:And this post is just straight-up misogynistic and offensive.

There is honestly nothing more foolish than labeling someone a misogynist simply because they’re sharing an opinion about a specific segment of society. Personally, I have plenty of female friends—some of whom I'm actually closer to than you'll likely ever be to anyone in your entire life—but that doesn't change the reality that there are people who are mentally and emotionally hollow within the female population, just as there are among men.
If you want to point out your own inability to grasp what your interlocutor is actually saying while posing as some sort of moral crusader, go right ahead, but please leave me out of your nonsense.
Everyone is subject to criticism, and everyone has the right to express their views, especially regarding social issues.
To be a misogynist means holding a global belief that all women are "bad," so if you're going to insist that I hate women, why don't you go ahead and prove where in my argument I am expressing hatred toward all women?
Using the word "hate" in this context is completely off the mark, mostly because I actually find those types of women quite desirable. Hate is a concept I truly don't feel toward anyone.
Or do you believe that women are exempt from criticism, and only men, politicians, and pedophiles deserve scrutiny? That would be blatant discrimination. I try to be fair and criticize everything equally.

As for that comment about a "small-town mentality," I was actually referring to the male gender. 🤦

Maybe I'm just a misanthrope in general then. 🤔

I respect what you do, granitecyclist, but seriously—we don't need to clutter this sub with all that weak-minded liberal nonsense.
I’m not even going to get into a whole debate about semantics right now, just trust me when I say neither Raymond Walker5 nor I ever made any misogynistic remarks.

Let's just pretend you didn't actually type that. 🙏

Dennis Hall41 said:...so we don't have to clutter up this subforum with all that weak-willed, liberal nonsense...

Well, thanks a lot... for that completely unnecessary and frankly inaccurate outburst.🤣