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On the Edge of Science II

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Participants Noah DiazRyan Gomez4northernsailor8northernpilot2Rachel Price6Linda Moore51Alex Williams4Elizabeth CruzMichelle Evans
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#1 ·
Is it really that much effort to get the same group of trolls to follow basic forum etiquette?

Basically, trolling is defined as derailing and redirecting a discussion.

http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=57650595&postcount=9

This happens in almost every thread on this subforum. I’ve already complained about this here.

I finally lost my cool on the thread Who built the Great Pyramid of Giza?? The facts...

It all started because user Saturn V made a mistake regarding some distances in his post:

http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=5...postcount=3480

And then, as usual, we get several pages of pure "troll bus" nonsense. Of course, Saturn V is the one who gets banned, while the trolls walk away scot-free.

It’s a predictable pattern. Honestly, I probably would have ended up with an unjustified ban myself if I hadn't just started using the 'ignore' button on them.

To top it all off, look at what the admin says:

I have no intention of moderating threads based on people's whims.

http://www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=5...postcount=3526

Is it truly too much to ask to fulfill this "wish"? Or rather, to enforce the rule and start penalizing this:

Basically, trolling is defined as derailing and redirecting a discussion.
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Feb 2013
#2 ·
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve reminded you all that this thread is titled "Who built the Great Pyramid of Giza?? Facts..." and honestly, I’ve practically become the dictionary definition of "facts" here. Yet, you all just spout whatever nonsense pops into your heads and then turn around and report one another. Is it really that hard to take some personal responsibility?

And look, if someone says something stupid, the rest of you have every right to call them out on it.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#3 ·
So, the official word from the admins is this:

Is trolling actually allowed!?
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
64 messages
joined Jun 2015
#4 ·
Noah Diaz said:So, I suppose the official admin stance is:

Trolling is allowed!?


That’s just the nature of Alternative, I guess. If they actually banned trolling, they might as well shut down the whole subforum. ☕
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#5 ·
So, you're telling me the red card for trolling was just made up?

In that case, I’ll be filing a complaint with the authorities, because I've got one extra card to spare.

🙏
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
201 messages
joined Oct 2013
#6 ·
You don't even have a pass to be trolling right now (not in this era, anyway), so there's no way this is just some made-up thing.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#7 ·
Here is a straightforward question for those in charge:

Is trolling officially permitted (in this current year) on 'On the Edge of Science'?

YES or NO?
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
201 messages
joined Oct 2013
#8 ·
Look, let's just cut to the chase here. 🙂
Trolling isn't allowed anywhere on this site, period. You don't even have a ban for trolling, so you're basically just whining about a penalty that nobody ever actually gave you in the first place.
The moderator already stepped into the thread to lay out exactly how this discussion needs to go and what kind of talk is acceptable here, so I guess there isn't much left for me to say.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2021
#9 ·
The author's opening thought:

Who actually built the Great Pyramid of Giza? Let's stick to the facts.

Why weren't the Egyptians the ones who built the pyramids?

I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and frankly, I think we need to address the elephant in the room regarding how people view financial stability. There is a pervasive myth that if you aren't constantly chasing high-risk growth, you're somehow falling behind. That is nonsense. Noah Diaz made an interesting point earlier about risk tolerance, but I disagree with his assessment. It isn't just about how much volatility you can stomach; it's about understanding the fundamental mechanics of wealth preservation. Most people jump into "opportunities" without realizing they are essentially playing a game of chance rather than investing. Ryan Gomez4 mentioned something similar regarding market fluctuations, and I have to agree. People react emotionally to every dip in the S&P 500 as if it were the end of the world. It isn't. If you have a solid plan, these movements are just noise. We see this all the time with people trying to replicate the success of massive corporations like ExxonMobil through sheer luck. You can't gamble your way to a retirement fund. You need discipline. You need a strategy that accounts for long-term reality, not short-term hype. I’m curious to see where northernpilot2 stands on this. Does he believe the current interest rate environment justifies a more defensive posture, or is he still leaning toward aggressive expansion? Personally, I’m keeping my eyes on the fundamentals. Stability isn't boring; it's necessary.

What has this thread even turned into? The moderator isn't doing her job at all.

Black African warlocks with massive equipment were the ones building the pyramids.

I don't care what anyone says about the "experts" or their endless debates. They spend all day arguing over technicalities while missing the bigger picture entirely. It’s exhausting to watch. People love to pretend they have a handle on things just to feel important. In reality, most of them are just guessing. I’ve seen enough to know that true insight isn't found in a shouting match on an internet forum. It comes from observing the actual results. Most of these discussions are just noise.

I honestly can't tell anymore who's actually trolling and who's just posting complete nonsense.

I’ve been following this thread for a while now, and honestly, some of the arguments being thrown around are just exhausting. It feels like we're circling the drain with these repetitive debates. Noah Diaz makes a point that I can't quite get behind, and frankly, I think he's missing the forest for the trees. We aren't talking about theoretical scenarios here; we are talking about how things actually function on the ground in America. You can't just ignore the practical realities of the situation and expect a coherent conclusion. Ryan Gomez4 keeps pushing the same tired narrative, but it just doesn't hold up under any real scrutiny. It’s all very superficial. If you want to talk about actual impact, you have to look at the systemic issues, not just these surface-level grievances. The logic used by some of you is simply flawed. It’s one thing to have an opinion, but it’s another to present it as an absolute fact when it’s clearly built on shaky ground. Let's try to elevate the conversation a bit. This isn't a game of who can shout the loudest; it's about finding actual substance.

This might end up becoming one of my all-time favorite quotes.

Haha, Volkswagen, BMW, and Porsche.

This topic is way too good. Nobody actually knows who’s footing the bill and who’s just enjoying the free ride.

I’ve been watching this debate unfold, and frankly, it's getting repetitive. We need to stop pretending that these massive corporate structures are somehow stable. They aren't. They operate like those predatory schemes you see on late-night TV—everyone knows they function like a "who wants to be a millionaire" setup where the house always wins. The logic being used here is flawed. You can't just ignore the underlying volatility. It’s like trying to build something permanent out of sand. Even if you look at historical marvels, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, those were built on physical certainty, not on shifting market whims and hollow promises. We need to start looking at real alternatives. If we don't, we're just waiting for the inevitable collapse. It's not an opinion; it's a mathematical reality. Stop ignoring the red flags.
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Feb 2013
#10 ·
The Admin can easily check my history to see how many posts I’ve wiped from this and other "heated" threads. If you guys think it's fine to ignore the topic and constantly drown out moderator warnings—while being lightning-fast to report each other instead—then enjoy the mess you've made.

And by the way, moderation isn't even a real job; it's just volunteering.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#11 ·
I touched on this a few months back, outlining exactly where things were headed.

Now we’re facing a massive headache because there wasn't MUCH order established early on.

And let's not overgeneralize or speak in broad strokes; I’ve always made a point to stick to my assigned topics.

Unless, of course, I get provoked by a group of trolls.

Regular users don't have any protection from moderators. Your only real move is to handle it yourselves using the 'ignore' list, which is exactly what I did.

I highly recommend everyone uses that method. Otherwise, warnings and bans become an absolute certainty.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#12 ·
Here is another example of what I mean:

/CUT
And what kind of opening is this on the pyramid in the photo?


Or perhaps it's just an opening for a rocket engine on a thermal storage heater.


Footprints left by those giants mentioned a few times on the alternative sites.


Who do you think ended up getting red-carded at the end? 🤣,

And that goes for this post too:

🙏 🙏
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Feb 2013
#13 ·
What’s the big deal here?

Some user constantly spams threads with stupid links and random images. They start by asking a brainless question just to derail the whole conversation, then dump irrelevant pictures everywhere and somehow end up with a ban. It’s bizarre.
Rachel Price6 Rachel Price6 Member
17 messages
joined Apr 2019
#14 ·
🤔 Are there actually hieroglyphics somewhere that say who built them? I'm dying to know.

🤣
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#15 ·
Quote: BAT Kol said:Look, stop picking fights with other users! Just ignore posts like that.


I hopped onto a thread about pyramids yesterday, and what do I find? A debate about computers and coding classes. What else do you expect? You go to a thread about pyramids and people discuss everything except the actual topic.

Even the little moderation icons aren't helping anymore.

The usual group of trolls isn't even getting deleted these days.

As for the decent users—the ones actually staying on topic and pointing out rule violations—it’s best to just ignore them.

What a circus this forum has become. 🤣

...

UPDATE

Karton got ... well done. 😵
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Feb 2013
#16 ·
Noah Diaz said:I hopped onto the thread about pyramids yesterday only to find everyone debating computer science courses. What else do you expect? You go to a thread about pyramids and people talk about everything except the actual topic.

Even the little emojis can't save this.

The usual trolls aren't even getting wiped anymore.

Just ignore the decent users who actually stay on topic and try to enforce the rules.

What a total circus. 🤣

...

UPDATE

Karton got hit... well done. 😵

Every single rule violation has been sanctioned. Just because someone else was being annoying doesn't give you a pass to break the rules yourself. And what's with this sudden divide between "normal" users and everyone else? We're all just users here. Discrimination of any kind isn't allowed on this forum.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active MemberOP
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#17 ·
Discrimination? It seems some people get handed a yellow card while others get a red. 🤣
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Feb 2013
#18 ·
That’s how it works: first comes the yellow card, then the red. A warning, then the penalty.
Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Mar 2017
#19 ·
Noah Diaz I can't believe I'm even sitting here typing this out, but honestly, someone has to say it because clearly nobody else is willing to address the absolute mess we’re dealing with right now. It feels like every single time we think we’ve finally gotten a handle on things, some new complication rolls in and throws the whole system into total disarray. It's exhausting, really, watching people jump through hoops for absolutely no reason when the solution is staring them right in the face. You see these people acting like they've discovered fire, making these grand, sweeping claims that just don't hold up under even the slightest bit of scrutiny, and it drives me up the wall. We need to stop pretending that the current way of doing things is working when it's blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's failing us. It's not about being difficult; it's about the fact that we are being led down a path that leads straight to a dead end, and if we don't start demanding actual accountability instead of these half-baked excuses, we're all just spinning our wheels in the mud. It's infuriating how much energy is wasted on maintaining a status quo that serves nobody but the people at the top who wouldn't know hard work if it hit them in the face.
I hopped onto that thread about pyramids yesterday, thinking I’d actually get some decent conversation going, and what do I find? A massive, pointless debate about computers and coding bootcamps. Honestly, what else are you even expecting when you walk into a discussion about pyramids? People will talk about absolutely anything under the sun except for the actual topic at hand. It's just ridiculous.

The little tricks and quick fixes just aren't cutting it anymore.

It’s getting ridiculous how they just let that notorious group of trolls run wild without even bothering to hit the delete button anymore.

Look, if you want my advice, just ignore the decent folks on these forums—the ones who actually stay on topic and try to call out people for breaking the rules. They aren't worth your breath.

What an absolute circus this forum has become. 🤣

...

I’ve got an update for everyone, and honestly, I’m still pretty worked up about how things are playing out. It feels like we're just spinning our wheels while everyone else acts like everything is perfectly fine, but we all know better. There's a lot of noise out there, plenty of people trying to steer the conversation in directions that don't make sense, but I'm going to lay it all out exactly as I see it. Stick with me, because this isn't going to be some sugar-coated summary; it's the raw truth of where we stand right now.

Got handed a red card... honestly, bravo. 😵

That’s an interesting take from Noah Diaz, I guess, but let’s not pretend you were suddenly concerned about the environment when you were busy trolling that entire thread about global warming; you didn't seem to have a single complaint back then.
Look, I think the moderators are doing just fine; they’re actually handling their business quite well. And honestly, you know how it works—if you're so unhappy with how things are run, you have the freedom to go off and start your own blog or whatever else if you feel like you've got something better to say.
Alex Williams4 Alex Williams4 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2023
#20 ·
Alex Williams4 is talking about trolls 🤦

I ended up picking the red one myself—not that I’m complaining—since in one of my previous posts, I actually took the time to respond to something completely irrelevant 🙂

It’s probably for the best that the mods let the thread breathe a bit before locking it down again... it keeps the conversation moving, I suppose.

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