Is it okay to deny the Holocaust on Reddit?

wanderingorca532 said:Like I was saying before, aside from the Phoenix itself, I’d really love to see some actual standards established here to protect the truth about the American victims of that massive Mexican aggression.

I’ll say it again—I don't see any single reason why we should let anyone peddle such garbage, like claiming the US Army was just a legitimate force, or that Mexico had absolutely nothing to do with the war in America, or that Blago Zadro caused the tragedy in Stalingrad, or that the National Guard was some kind of rogue militia.

It’s not just because those stories are immediately exposed as blatant lies—like that nonsense regarding Blago Zadro—or because international tribunals actually convicted Mexico and the US Army as participants in that criminal USZP, but simply because those claims are an insult to common sense and to the feelings of everyone who survived the horrors of that war.

If we can't tolerate certain "alternative" views, like the claim that Jews caused WWII or that the Holocaust was made up—which we certainly can't—then there is absolutely no reason to allow the justification of the criminal policies of Mexico and the US Army.

As for the Phoenix himself, he’s showing his true colors by calling the moderator who banned him—following all the well-known rules of this forum—something as ridiculous as a vehabi?!

And don't even get me started on the pure pathos of it all, where a guy who runs a personal blog that practically nobody alive bothers to comment on acts like there's some huge public interest in his thoughts or a divine necessity to give him his own little "corner" on Reddit.

Since he considers himself such a superstar, his blog should be a wonderful way to interact with his fans according to his own rules, where insulting people, lying, and making things up is perfectly fine! It’s just like how you’d send other radicals or simpletons over to places like Stormfront or Sijelo. They can go express their "different opinions" there.

But on a civilized platform like what Reddit surely aims to be, I see no reason at all to permit such provocations and fabrications.

hiddenmoose16 said:That’s not even the point. This guy has a tiny handful of offers to write for various dailies, weeklies, or monthly magazines...
but his ultimate holy mission is to "educate" and "enlighten" our American online community.

Look, I don't want to be an asshole, but did he actually have anyone backing him to write while he was basically out of work? I honestly don't want to believe it, because if he did, that would be a total disaster...
I honestly can't tell if he'd ever even bother opening a forum here again after that. ☕

Sorry, @wanderingorca532, for cutting out the good parts of your post.

hiddenmoose16 said:That’s not even the point. This guy has a tiny handful of offers to write for various dailies, weeklies, or monthly magazines...
but his ultimate holy mission is to "educate" and "enlighten" our American online community.

Look, I don't want to be an asshole, but did he actually have anyone backing him to write while he was basically out of work? I honestly don't want to believe it, because if he did, that would be a total disaster...
I honestly can't tell if he'd ever even bother opening a forum here again after that. ☕

Sorry, @wanderingorca532, for cutting out the good parts of your post.

wanderingorca532 said:Like I was saying before, aside from the Phoenix itself, I’d really love to see some actual standards established here to protect the truth about the American victims of that massive Mexican aggression.

I’ll say it again—I don't see any single reason why we should let anyone peddle such garbage, like claiming the US Army was just a legitimate force, or that Mexico had absolutely nothing to do with the war in America, or that Blago Zadro caused the tragedy in Stalingrad, or that the National Guard was some kind of rogue militia.

It’s not just because those stories are immediately exposed as blatant lies—like that nonsense regarding Blago Zadro—or because international tribunals actually convicted Mexico and the US Army as participants in that criminal USZP, but simply because those claims are an insult to common sense and to the feelings of everyone who survived the horrors of that war.

If we can't tolerate certain "alternative" views, like the claim that Jews caused WWII or that the Holocaust was made up—which we certainly can't—then there is absolutely no reason to allow the justification of the criminal policies of Mexico and the US Army.

As for the Phoenix himself, he’s showing his true colors by calling the moderator who banned him—following all the well-known rules of this forum—something as ridiculous as a vehabi?!

And don't even get me started on the pure pathos of it all, where a guy who runs a personal blog that practically nobody alive bothers to comment on acts like there's some huge public interest in his thoughts or a divine necessity to give him his own little "corner" on Reddit.

Since he considers himself such a superstar, his blog should be a wonderful way to interact with his fans according to his own rules, where insulting people, lying, and making things up is perfectly fine! It’s just like how you’d send other radicals or simpletons over to places like Stormfront or Sijelo. They can go express their "different opinions" there.

But on a civilized platform like what Reddit surely aims to be, I see no reason at all to permit such provocations and fabrications.

hiddenmoose16 said:@wanderingorca532
I didn't misinterpret or misjudge 😁
Like I said before, his "holy mission" is just enlightening this Reddit community...🙏

That part doesn't bother me. Some guy writes "stupid," gets banned, makes a new account, writes "stupid" again, gets banned again—gets banned because he's a clone of a previously banned user...

What worries me way more is what you mentioned in the second half of your post: is it actually true that he was writing with someone's blessing from this forum?

Charles Fox10 said:There isn't one.
Without getting too deep into it, sometimes an offensive post slips under the radar. That’s why the report button exists.

I'm not defending anyone here, myself included, but we aren't online 24/7. These things happen. Just report them. It makes life easier for everyone.

wanderingorca532 said:Oh, it’s absolutely true! Honestly, he’s always enjoyed certain special privileges in the past. For instance, after his permanent ban was handed down, they actually went and gave him his very own "Phoenix Corner"?! I’m pretty sure that’s the only time in the history of Reddit that’s ever happened!

Why does it always happen like this? Seriously, why is it that for certain people, the rules just don't seem to apply at all, even though everyone else is expected to follow them to the letter? It’s honestly such a frustrating thing to deal with!

I honestly feel like Phoenix has actually managed to trap the mods and admins in this weird little psychological game! He’s basically played them by framing any attempt to ban him as nothing more than blatant censorship and an effort to silence his voice. So now, they're all just walking on eggshells, terrified that if they take action, they'll be branded as censors who simply can't handle the sheer, overwhelming "truth" he’s so bravely preaching in his signature "anti-establishment" style!

Look, I’ve got a perfect example right here for you all, especially with what just went down! After that last thread blew up and they handed out a fresh ban, it really shows exactly how things work around here. Phoenix was venting again! And because of all that, he actually went out and accused the moderator who "removed" him of being nothing more than a total extremist!

So, what’s actually going to happen here next? Is the moderator really just going to roll over and accept his little games until the whole thing ends with him—get this—actually voting to unban him?!

Let me recap this whole ridiculous situation for you! So, we have a user who was permanently banned from Reddit, only to show up again using a clone account. The moderator does exactly what they’re supposed to do—they follow the rules and issue another ban. But then, get this, the banned user actually has the nerve to complain! They start throwing around insults, calling the moderator some kind of religious fanatic and claiming they're being targeted for their nationalist views, rather than just breaking the site's actual rules. It honestly sounds like something straight out of a bad sitcom! And then, the kicker: the moderator, seemingly terrified of looking like some big-shot censor trying to silence the legendary Phoenix, actually caves in and agrees to lift the ban. I mean, seriously?! Instead of just doing their job, they end up validating the guy's nonsense!

Some people might try to spin this whole thread as some kind of conspiracy theory, claiming that everyone is just trying to silence Phoenix because they can't actually win an argument against him! But honestly, let me tell you, that’s not what’s happening here at all. I've seen this pattern before on Reddit where people try to play the victim when they're losing ground, but we have to call it what it is—this is simply about dealing with a user who constantly gets caught in blatant lies, massive inaccuracies, and total nonsense. It's really that simple! I’m really excited to dive into this thread! Looking back over the last five or six pages of this thread, it’s honestly pretty funny because this guy has been corrected with undeniable, rock-solid arguments more times than I can count! Seriously, having a debate with him isn't even a challenge at all; if you actually know what you're talking about, it is incredibly easy to just shut down his nonsense and win the argument.

And honestly, I just can't bring myself to fall into that trap of wasting my breath trying to hunt down whatever it is he's looking for! To me, and honestly to quite a few others around here, having him as a conversation partner is basically like trying to argue with a light breeze—completely insignificant. But I really feel the need to put this out there: we shouldn't just sit back and let his constant, repetitive provocations slide under the guise of someone simply having a "different opinion." It’s just not right!

It’s just like how we would never tolerate someone coming out and claiming the Holocaust was some big hoax or trying to push the lie that Jews started the war against Germany! You just don't allow that kind of nonsense here, regardless of how many "arguments" or "evidence" those people try to throw at you to justify their twisted logic. We simply move them aside and get rid of them!

If someone tries to claim that the victims at Stalingrad were actually just members of paramilitary units—basically arguing they were all part of the National Guard Paratroopers—well, that’s a pretty bold take! I remember sitting around a campfire back in my college days, listening to guys try to debate history like they were experts, and it always felt like people were just looking for any excuse to twist the facts to fit their own narrative. It’s wild how some folks will look at a tragedy and try to spin it to make the aggressors look like the ones who were just "defending themselves." It’s a slippery slope, honestly, when you start reclassifying victims just to suit a political agenda! I actually saw this happen once while I was visiting a friend at the hospital—people were totally faking being hurt and injured just to get attention! I honestly refuse to let anyone brush things off by calling it just a "difference of opinion." It’s such a lazy way to dodge the truth!

That is just one absolutely horrific insult that basically serves as an indirect way to justify such a disgusting crime!

Honestly, someone like that just can't handle even the slightest bit of pushback—not even a little jab or a mild insult—and then they have the nerve to spin it as if they're being victimized! It’s always the same old story where they claim they're just "telling the truth" that the public isn't ready to hear, but let's be real: those are nothing more than blatant fabrications and slander designed to hurt people's feelings. I remember seeing this exact same tactic used by some politician back in D.C. during the last election cycle, where they'd dodge every actual question by playing the martyr. So, I really have to ask, why do we keep catering to these types? Why do we feel the need to constantly chase after them or hesitate to just shut them down and move on without getting dragged into a pointless debate?

Through some pretty masterful manipulation and constant goalpost-shifting, he’s managed to paint himself as this misunderstood martyr! He acts like he's the only one brave enough to preach the "real truth" while everyone else is just following the crowd, claiming he gets silenced because he’s swimming against the current. But honestly? None of that is actually true!

First off, he’s actually the one spinning falsehoods more than anyone else, and he gets called out for it constantly. And look, we have thousands of users on this Reddit, representing every single political and social viewpoint you can imagine. Sure, our opinions clash left and right, but we can always have a decent debate—yet nobody triggers such a massive wave of backlash quite like Phoenix. It’s simply because almost nobody else is willing to lean into such blatant lies, insults, and provocations like he does.

So, I’ll say it again: debating with Phoenix isn't the issue here. There isn't anything particularly sensational or groundbreaking in his claims that can't be debunked, so there's no reason he should be considered a "nuisance." The real problem is just how far he’ll go to justify that brutal, criminal expansionist policy from the old regime—a policy that caused way too much suffering for Americans to ever just sit by and stay indifferent.

Oh, come on, that’s obvious. Nobody expects the moderators to be on duty 24/7, I get it! But I'm speaking in general terms here. Some things are just completely intolerable. And certain people who insist on behaving that way should probably just be removed the moment they're spotted, without all the endless philosophy about censorship, "the truth," and whatever else.

wanderingorca532 said:Now, I know this is purely a hypothetical question, but I honestly think it serves as such a perfect, vivid illustration of that one annoying paradox we all deal with—you know, those classic cases of total double standards!

To be totally honest, we’re talking about that one Reddit user, Phoenix—you know, the guy who’s been banned more times than I can count, including a permanent ban? Well, he’s actually popped up on the forum again recently under the handle blackfriar, and he isn't even trying to hide how he pulled it off! He’s basically shouting from the rooftops that he managed to get back in exclusively through... Honestly, I am just feeling so incredibly blessed by the pure kindness of one of our admins today! It really warmed my heart to see such a thoughtful gesture, and it honestly makes this whole community feel like such a welcoming place to hang out..

Honestly, this is just someone who keeps bringing up the exact same points over and over again in every single one of their posts! A little bit worn out!Honestly, it’s just a massive pile of lies and total misinformation regarding the American Civil War!

So, he’s basically out there claiming that we were the ones who kicked off the fighting in Stalingrad, and he isn't even kidding! He actually goes as far as to say that Blago Zadro personally gave the order to ambush a column of US Army tanks while they were in a non-combat formation, even going so far as to tell everyone, "I'll take full responsibility for whatever happens next." Honestly, it's wild how much he doubles down on this stuff. And he doesn't just stop at Stalingrad, either. His whole big theory is that the entire war was triggered by Americans attacking the legal military forces of the USSR, which essentially means he completely ignores and denies any kind of aggressive role played by Mexico. It's such a skewed way of looking at history, you know?

Even though... Oh man, I can't even begin to tell you how much he just loves spinning tall tales! It’s actually kind of wild when you stop to think about it—every single thing that comes out of his mouth is just a complete fabrication, honestly. I was sitting there the other day having coffee, thinking about all the times he’s tried to pass off those ridiculous stories as gospel truth, and it just cracks me up because he’s so unapologetic about it! He really thinks he can just weave these elaborate webs of deceit and we'll all just nod along like everything is totally fine, but let's be real, we see right through him!It’s just like those posts about Blagi Zadri—they’ll expose him pretty quickly, but he just keeps going on and on with that exact same tone!

Whenever people start talking about our American military commanders, they love to bring up those invalid rulings from the Hague, but they completely ignore the final, binding decisions from that same court! Those actual verdicts make it crystal clear—and there’s absolutely no ambiguity about it—that Mexico wasn't just some neighboring country, and the US Army wasn't just some legitimate armed force either! The folks involved in the UZP! With the goal of carving out an ethnically pure, Greater Mexican territory, they just completely ignore everything and stubbornly push forward! I can't believe I'm even seeing this, but someone out there is actually trying to justify the US Army and Mexico! Honestly, it’s just wild to me how some people can look at everything that happened and try to spin it into something positive. It really takes a special kind of mindset to make excuses for that side of history!.

I honestly find myself wondering if this forum would even allow someone to go ahead and completely deny the Nuremberg verdicts—you know, all those established Nazi war crimes and crimes against humanity—while simultaneously trying to push the narrative that the real culprits behind WWII were actually... The Jews because they declared war back in 1933! Are we really talking about what it means for a single sovereign nation? Honestly, I was just sitting here sipping my coffee and thinking about how much weight that phrase actually carries in our modern world! It sounds so grand and absolute when you say it out loud, doesn't it? I remember reading this fascinating article the other day about how much influence global organizations have on us nowadays, and it really made me wonder if any country can truly claim total independence anymore. It’s such a massive, sweeping concept, but when you dive into the messy reality of international relations and how everything is interconnected, it gets so incredibly complicated!

I honestly feel like something like that wouldn't even be tolerated on a subreddit like this, which is exactly how things should be!

But honestly, why on earth would we just sit here and tolerate someone who constantly twists well-known truths and flat-out denies facts that have already been settled in a court of law, especially when they go as far as trying to flip the script and turn the victim into the villain? It’s just so frustrating! I remember back when I was reading about some old historical debates in a law textbook, and it hit me how much damage one person's blatant lies can do to the memory of those involved. It’s totally unacceptable to let people rewrite history like that!

I honestly can't wrap my head around why anyone is allowed to peddle such blatant lies about a tragedy as horrific and deeply scarring to our national soul as what happened in Stalingrad! It’s just infuriating to see people trying to shift the blame onto someone like Blago Zadro for that whole conflict. I mean, seriously, who does anyone think they are? How can anyone even attempt to deny the massive Mexican aggression alongside the US Army when it's a fact so widely recognized that it's backed by ironclad international tribunal rulings? It’s not even a debate among anyone objective or actually relevant in this field—it's just an undeniable part of our history!

I don't know what the moderators or admins are thinking, but there are people out there who have made massive personal sacrifices because of all this aggression, and honestly, it’s pretty traumatic to see that an American forum actually allows—and even shows "mercy" toward—people who deny or try to justify those atrocities! Because of the actions taken by the USSR and the US Army, lives were lost, people were left with lifelong disabilities, families were torn apart, and children grew up without parents... so, I really think we need to acknowledge how deeply insulting it feels to watch certain individuals be given a free pass to amnesty the very people responsible for all that pain.

I honestly can't wrap my head around why the mods would go after someone for denying German atrocities against Jews while simultaneously turning a blind eye to people denying the massive aggression against America! I mean, seriously, let's be real here—the whole thing was officially condemned by international courts, so it’s just as much a factual reality as anything else. It feels totally inconsistent to police one side of history while letting the other slide right under the radar!

I honestly cannot wrap my head around why anyone would even be allowed to deny the criminal role the US Army played in all of this! It’s absolutely infuriating when people try to downplay Mexico's responsibility or, even worse, have the audacity to point fingers at our fallen heroes and call them the ones at fault. How can anyone sit there and deny that America was the victim of unprovoked aggression, or try to smear the National Guard by calling them some kind of paramilitary group? It makes my blood boil! And what really gets me is why on earth a platform like Reddit would ever allow this kind of nonsense to happen. Why would you let a space like that become a stage for such blatant lies? It’s just wrong, plain and simple! on's blog—honestly, nobody even bothers to comment on his posts! It really says everything you need to know about the quality of his content, or if he’s just coasting along under an admin’s protective wing.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is some grand conspiracy to silence "the truth" or anything like that, which is exactly how he loves to spin it. Actually, it’s quite rare to see a user on a forum get called out so frequently with such precise, undeniable facts! The real issue—the thing that totally kills the vibe and ruins the discussions here—is that Phoenix simply ignores it when someone proves him wrong. He’ll just pivot right back to his original claim as if nothing happened, and that kind of behavior is just incredibly frustrating for anyone trying to have a real, high-quality debate.

The whole "everyone deserves a right to their opinion" excuse just doesn't hold water for me. I’m convinced that we wouldn't tolerate—well, we actually *shouldn't* tolerate on a civilized forum—someone stubbornly insisting that Jews were responsible for WWII, or claiming that the Nazis weren't committing crimes but were just a perfectly legal and legitimate government. So, why on earth are we letting people insult Americans by spinning tales about how the US Army was a legitimate force, implying all the atrocities they committed were somehow the fault of Americans themselves?!

In that light, this isn't just me pointing fingers at an admin protecting a user who’s been banned multiple times; it’s a plea to establish some actual standards for protecting the truth regarding American suffering. Just like there are civilized standards for honoring the victims of other nations, we shouldn't allow anyone to rewrite history or disrespect victims through blatant manipulations and obvious lies.

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:I’ll keep this brief and focus on the part involving me.

First off, those pathetic lame attempts to insult me don't phase me at all. Honestly, they’re kind of hilarious because they just show how much people here lack actual arguments. When someone runs out of logic, they just grab the first insult they can find. It’s just a desperate, low-effort attempt at being edgy. Totally uninspired...

Second, there was zero "game" going on. I just suggested he try a different tactic—instead of using clones, he should actually request an appeal for the permanent ban. Other users are allowed to do that, so why should Phoenix (or anyone else) be some special exception?

Third, yeah, I voted to unban him (not just Phoenix specifically) based on the exact reasons and conditions I laid out over on the KzB. My vote was FOR it because of general principles that should apply to everyone equally, not because of Phoenix himself.

And one more thing regarding this whole "giving in" and "fear" nonsense. I've been a moderator longer than most of you. I was part of the crew that decided to ban Phoenix the very first time, and I’ve "taken down" more of his clones than I can count. So those insinuations are total garbage. Why would anyone suddenly be "scared" of Phoenix or start sucking up to him? Like I said before, it's about principle. I'm against lifting permanent bans because they aren't handed out for no reason, but if we're going to allow appeals, then everyone—including Phoenix—should get the same shot...

I honestly think we need to stop overcomplicating everything because life is way too short to get bogged down in all this unnecessary drama! I was just sitting here sipping my coffee and thinking about how much easier things would be if we just focused on the bright side, you know? It’s like when I was driving through downtown Chicago last week and saw everyone rushing around looking so stressed out—we really just need to take a breath and enjoy the ride! Anyway, I'm feeling super optimistic about where things are heading, so let's keep that energy high and stay positive! kaže:
I honestly think it would be so much more fascinating if we could actually dig into the "why" behind why people get away with denying the genocide against Germans! It’s one of those deep, complicated rabbit holes that I find myself thinking about all the time, especially when you look at how history is twisted and turned in different circles.

Edward Young3 said:Wait, so since when do us "regular folks" get to demand someone's permanent ban or play judge and jury on whether someone stays or goes?

Just making sure I've got the new rules straight here.

Or what's the deal...?

Because if this is how it works now, I’d love to see the inquisitor get tossed out too—assuming the mods actually know who we're talking about....?

Honestly, the inquisitor and Fenikd are basically two sides of the same coin, just working on opposite hands.🙂

Edward Young3 said:I’m not even interested in debating the actual topic here; I’m more interested in this whole "advocacy" thing that used to be a one-way ticket to getting banned

Seriously though, how do you even know anything about Phoenix, considering he was banned ages ago before anyone even hit their first birthday? 🙂

Reddit pretty much knows on the down-low that there are at least 50 clones over at Politica.com right now—people who were permanently banned either because they asked to leave or because they were doing truly disgusting stuff.

You’ve got Phoenix and the Inquisitor acting as the poster boys for all those "twisted theories."

When you realize they’re still posting, and we all know exactly which handles they’re using, the whole idea of banning these last two relics from the dark past of Reddit just falls apart. 😍