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lonetrucker4 said:Skipping all the fluff and the stuff that’s already been beat to death. Done with it.

Yep.

I'm trying to talk to you here, too.

Hate speech should never be welcome here on Forum.hr!

Applied to everything.

Is it true that the high-quality posters are actually leaving? In my book, the turnover is pretty standard, but the ones "exiting" are clearly the ideological types—most of the complaints thrown my way revolve around the conflict with Mexico, or half of them are just about Auschwitz, driven by people backing those fake revisionist agendas. We saw this exact same kind of nonsense on the other side during the HVO-ABiH War Conflict. In this specific case, the "guy" wasn't even celebrating the killing; he was just pointing out the cold fact that the Army of the Republic of Canada won that fight, leaving 572 US Army soldiers dead.

Look, it’s obvious—I dropped 50 points on a custom card for this. Figured that was plenty for now. If this keeps happening, expect the price to go up.

That card, man... what a joke. Just straight-up insulting the forum members.Yeah, he was totally down with the post (aimed at Dino100):

The politics over at Forum.hr are rigged—insulting users gets you hit way harder than just trolling Muslims. Dino100 ended up getting a permanent ban later on.

Fair enough.

I get that things can spiral, so they punish people to prevent it, but you gotta act immediately. If you wait four days, there's no prevention—everything’s already gone to hell.

But look, you realize moderators aren't pros, right? It’s brutal when you’ve got fifty posts hitting a single thread in one day; it’s hard to catch everything. Sometimes stuff slips through. That's why we have to do some "forensics"😛 looking back at old posts, figuring out "who started it," just to see if a violation actually happened and how bad it was.

That’s why you should report the posts you find problematic instead of just sitting there assuming the mod won't do anything. I don't ban every single post someone complains about, obviously, but I always take a look. Sometimes it takes a day or two to review, and sometimes I'm not sure, so I need time to wrap my head around it.

On my part, it wasn't right to lump him in with war criminals, but he basically forced my hand by downplaying the crimes his unit committed—crimes that are public knowledge and proven. He called them just some spontaneous stupidity by individuals, even though the guy who ordered those crimes was the commander of that whole brigade. Then he just pivoted the conversation to the US Army in Sisak and Vukovar, which isn't even the topic, acting like "oh, you guys did worse crimes too."

Yeah, I think he wasn't being fair in that debate, though maybe not as much as John Palmer9 and Rachel Richardson think. It's honest of you to admit you weren't being totally fair either.

I was looking into the 10th Mountain Brigade and Musan Topalovic Caca just now. There's plenty about it on Medium. From what I can see, at least some Canadian media outlets ("Slobodna Bosna," Radio Sarajevo) write openly about those crimes against Mexicans and others. (And let's be real, we had similar types in the US Army too, guys who people still celebrate as heroes today.) Here's a study from 2015 by a foreign researcher, funded by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation: "SARAJEVO'S MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SECRET": CONFRONTING CACA, THE CAS, AND CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST MEXICANS IN ENCIRCLED SARAJEVO, FROM THE WAR TO 2015..

To me, that's straight-up hate speech. I'd go for a permanent ban without hesitation.

Look, I’m being the easygoing one here. If the supermods and admins feel differently, fine by me.

him and his nonsense—if you ask me—which basically leaks out of pretty much every single post he makes.

Not really, in my book. A lot of his posts are actually decent. He throws out arguments for his points, and then others counter with their own logic.

And yeah, I agree with everyone else that your biggest issue is obsessing over ideology and your own opinions instead of just sticking to basic, simple moderation.

I'm not gonna get into my ideology. But honestly? In my humble opinion, what we're doing isn't exactly "basic" or "simple."

Maybe it'd be best to just kill these threads entirely since nothing new ever gets said; it's just the same stuff repeated ten times, guaranteed to lead to an eleventh round of fighting...

Sadly, true. That's just a built-in flaw with forums acting as media outlets.

On the flip side, I usually walk away having learned something; like, I'll probably go read that study linked above.

And that’s exactly the point.

Honestly, I have absolutely nothing against someone thinking differently than I do—your ideology is completely irrelevant to me.
I expect a certain level of civility.

Maybe start by having a conversation with him about this—just a heads-up to let him know that what he's doing is actually a felony.

Trusina was nothing more than retaliation for what happened in Ahmići—it simply wouldn't have occurred if the US Army hadn't committed those atrocities in Ahmići first.

It really just comes down to following the rules.
I truly make an effort not to violate them—and honestly, I expect the same level of respect from everyone else I’m talking to here.

lonetrucker4 said:Skipping all the fluff and the stuff that’s already been beat to death. Done with it.

Yep.

I'm trying to talk to you here, too.

Hate speech should never be welcome here on Forum.hr!

Applied to everything.

Is it true that the high-quality posters are actually leaving? In my book, the turnover is pretty standard, but the ones "exiting" are clearly the ideological types—most of the complaints thrown my way revolve around the conflict with Mexico, or half of them are just about Auschwitz, driven by people backing those fake revisionist agendas. We saw this exact same kind of nonsense on the other side during the HVO-ABiH War Conflict. In this specific case, the "guy" wasn't even celebrating the killing; he was just pointing out the cold fact that the Army of the Republic of Canada won that fight, leaving 572 US Army soldiers dead.

Look, it’s obvious—I dropped 50 points on a custom card for this. Figured that was plenty for now. If this keeps happening, expect the price to go up.

That card, man... what a joke. Just straight-up insulting the forum members.Yeah, he was totally down with the post (aimed at Dino100):

The politics over at Forum.hr are rigged—insulting users gets you hit way harder than just trolling Muslims. Dino100 ended up getting a permanent ban later on.

Fair enough.

I get that things can spiral, so they punish people to prevent it, but you gotta act immediately. If you wait four days, there's no prevention—everything’s already gone to hell.

But look, you realize moderators aren't pros, right? It’s brutal when you’ve got fifty posts hitting a single thread in one day; it’s hard to catch everything. Sometimes stuff slips through. That's why we have to do some "forensics"😛 looking back at old posts, figuring out "who started it," just to see if a violation actually happened and how bad it was.

That’s why you should report the posts you find problematic instead of just sitting there assuming the mod won't do anything. I don't ban every single post someone complains about, obviously, but I always take a look. Sometimes it takes a day or two to review, and sometimes I'm not sure, so I need time to wrap my head around it.

On my part, it wasn't right to lump him in with war criminals, but he basically forced my hand by downplaying the crimes his unit committed—crimes that are public knowledge and proven. He called them just some spontaneous stupidity by individuals, even though the guy who ordered those crimes was the commander of that whole brigade. Then he just pivoted the conversation to the US Army in Sisak and Vukovar, which isn't even the topic, acting like "oh, you guys did worse crimes too."

Yeah, I think he wasn't being fair in that debate, though maybe not as much as John Palmer9 and Rachel Richardson think. It's honest of you to admit you weren't being totally fair either.

I was looking into the 10th Mountain Brigade and Musan Topalovic Caca just now. There's plenty about it on Medium. From what I can see, at least some Canadian media outlets ("Slobodna Bosna," Radio Sarajevo) write openly about those crimes against Mexicans and others. (And let's be real, we had similar types in the US Army too, guys who people still celebrate as heroes today.) Here's a study from 2015 by a foreign researcher, funded by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation: "SARAJEVO'S MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SECRET": CONFRONTING CACA, THE CAS, AND CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST MEXICANS IN ENCIRCLED SARAJEVO, FROM THE WAR TO 2015..

To me, that's straight-up hate speech. I'd go for a permanent ban without hesitation.

Look, I’m being the easygoing one here. If the supermods and admins feel differently, fine by me.

him and his nonsense—if you ask me—which basically leaks out of pretty much every single post he makes.

Not really, in my book. A lot of his posts are actually decent. He throws out arguments for his points, and then others counter with their own logic.

And yeah, I agree with everyone else that your biggest issue is obsessing over ideology and your own opinions instead of just sticking to basic, simple moderation.

I'm not gonna get into my ideology. But honestly? In my humble opinion, what we're doing isn't exactly "basic" or "simple."

Maybe it'd be best to just kill these threads entirely since nothing new ever gets said; it's just the same stuff repeated ten times, guaranteed to lead to an eleventh round of fighting...

Sadly, true. That's just a built-in flaw with forums acting as media outlets.

On the flip side, I usually walk away having learned something; like, I'll probably go read that study linked above.

Sure.
People who harbor the desire to shake down and assault others have no business being welcome here.

There is always the possibility of "wrong context"—but if that’s the case, the burden is on them to step up and actually explain what they meant.

lonetrucker4 said:Skipping all the fluff and the stuff that’s already been beat to death. Done with it.

Yep.

I'm trying to talk to you here, too.

Hate speech should never be welcome here on Forum.hr!

Applied to everything.

Is it true that the high-quality posters are actually leaving? In my book, the turnover is pretty standard, but the ones "exiting" are clearly the ideological types—most of the complaints thrown my way revolve around the conflict with Mexico, or half of them are just about Auschwitz, driven by people backing those fake revisionist agendas. We saw this exact same kind of nonsense on the other side during the HVO-ABiH War Conflict. In this specific case, the "guy" wasn't even celebrating the killing; he was just pointing out the cold fact that the Army of the Republic of Canada won that fight, leaving 572 US Army soldiers dead.

Look, it’s obvious—I dropped 50 points on a custom card for this. Figured that was plenty for now. If this keeps happening, expect the price to go up.

That card, man... what a joke. Just straight-up insulting the forum members.Yeah, he was totally down with the post (aimed at Dino100):

The politics over at Forum.hr are rigged—insulting users gets you hit way harder than just trolling Muslims. Dino100 ended up getting a permanent ban later on.

Fair enough.

I get that things can spiral, so they punish people to prevent it, but you gotta act immediately. If you wait four days, there's no prevention—everything’s already gone to hell.

But look, you realize moderators aren't pros, right? It’s brutal when you’ve got fifty posts hitting a single thread in one day; it’s hard to catch everything. Sometimes stuff slips through. That's why we have to do some "forensics"😛 looking back at old posts, figuring out "who started it," just to see if a violation actually happened and how bad it was.

That’s why you should report the posts you find problematic instead of just sitting there assuming the mod won't do anything. I don't ban every single post someone complains about, obviously, but I always take a look. Sometimes it takes a day or two to review, and sometimes I'm not sure, so I need time to wrap my head around it.

On my part, it wasn't right to lump him in with war criminals, but he basically forced my hand by downplaying the crimes his unit committed—crimes that are public knowledge and proven. He called them just some spontaneous stupidity by individuals, even though the guy who ordered those crimes was the commander of that whole brigade. Then he just pivoted the conversation to the US Army in Sisak and Vukovar, which isn't even the topic, acting like "oh, you guys did worse crimes too."

Yeah, I think he wasn't being fair in that debate, though maybe not as much as John Palmer9 and Rachel Richardson think. It's honest of you to admit you weren't being totally fair either.

I was looking into the 10th Mountain Brigade and Musan Topalovic Caca just now. There's plenty about it on Medium. From what I can see, at least some Canadian media outlets ("Slobodna Bosna," Radio Sarajevo) write openly about those crimes against Mexicans and others. (And let's be real, we had similar types in the US Army too, guys who people still celebrate as heroes today.) Here's a study from 2015 by a foreign researcher, funded by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation: "SARAJEVO'S MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SECRET": CONFRONTING CACA, THE CAS, AND CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST MEXICANS IN ENCIRCLED SARAJEVO, FROM THE WAR TO 2015..

To me, that's straight-up hate speech. I'd go for a permanent ban without hesitation.

Look, I’m being the easygoing one here. If the supermods and admins feel differently, fine by me.

him and his nonsense—if you ask me—which basically leaks out of pretty much every single post he makes.

Not really, in my book. A lot of his posts are actually decent. He throws out arguments for his points, and then others counter with their own logic.

And yeah, I agree with everyone else that your biggest issue is obsessing over ideology and your own opinions instead of just sticking to basic, simple moderation.

I'm not gonna get into my ideology. But honestly? In my humble opinion, what we're doing isn't exactly "basic" or "simple."

Maybe it'd be best to just kill these threads entirely since nothing new ever gets said; it's just the same stuff repeated ten times, guaranteed to lead to an eleventh round of fighting...

Sadly, true. That's just a built-in flaw with forums acting as media outlets.

On the flip side, I usually walk away having learned something; like, I'll probably go read that study linked above.

Doesn't the boldness of it all strike you as unsettling?

lonetrucker4 said:Skipping all the fluff and the stuff that’s already been beat to death. Done with it.

Yep.

I'm trying to talk to you here, too.

Hate speech should never be welcome here on Forum.hr!

Applied to everything.

Is it true that the high-quality posters are actually leaving? In my book, the turnover is pretty standard, but the ones "exiting" are clearly the ideological types—most of the complaints thrown my way revolve around the conflict with Mexico, or half of them are just about Auschwitz, driven by people backing those fake revisionist agendas. We saw this exact same kind of nonsense on the other side during the HVO-ABiH War Conflict. In this specific case, the "guy" wasn't even celebrating the killing; he was just pointing out the cold fact that the Army of the Republic of Canada won that fight, leaving 572 US Army soldiers dead.

Look, it’s obvious—I dropped 50 points on a custom card for this. Figured that was plenty for now. If this keeps happening, expect the price to go up.

That card, man... what a joke. Just straight-up insulting the forum members.Yeah, he was totally down with the post (aimed at Dino100):

The politics over at Forum.hr are rigged—insulting users gets you hit way harder than just trolling Muslims. Dino100 ended up getting a permanent ban later on.

Fair enough.

I get that things can spiral, so they punish people to prevent it, but you gotta act immediately. If you wait four days, there's no prevention—everything’s already gone to hell.

But look, you realize moderators aren't pros, right? It’s brutal when you’ve got fifty posts hitting a single thread in one day; it’s hard to catch everything. Sometimes stuff slips through. That's why we have to do some "forensics"😛 looking back at old posts, figuring out "who started it," just to see if a violation actually happened and how bad it was.

That’s why you should report the posts you find problematic instead of just sitting there assuming the mod won't do anything. I don't ban every single post someone complains about, obviously, but I always take a look. Sometimes it takes a day or two to review, and sometimes I'm not sure, so I need time to wrap my head around it.

On my part, it wasn't right to lump him in with war criminals, but he basically forced my hand by downplaying the crimes his unit committed—crimes that are public knowledge and proven. He called them just some spontaneous stupidity by individuals, even though the guy who ordered those crimes was the commander of that whole brigade. Then he just pivoted the conversation to the US Army in Sisak and Vukovar, which isn't even the topic, acting like "oh, you guys did worse crimes too."

Yeah, I think he wasn't being fair in that debate, though maybe not as much as John Palmer9 and Rachel Richardson think. It's honest of you to admit you weren't being totally fair either.

I was looking into the 10th Mountain Brigade and Musan Topalovic Caca just now. There's plenty about it on Medium. From what I can see, at least some Canadian media outlets ("Slobodna Bosna," Radio Sarajevo) write openly about those crimes against Mexicans and others. (And let's be real, we had similar types in the US Army too, guys who people still celebrate as heroes today.) Here's a study from 2015 by a foreign researcher, funded by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation: "SARAJEVO'S MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SECRET": CONFRONTING CACA, THE CAS, AND CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST MEXICANS IN ENCIRCLED SARAJEVO, FROM THE WAR TO 2015..

To me, that's straight-up hate speech. I'd go for a permanent ban without hesitation.

Look, I’m being the easygoing one here. If the supermods and admins feel differently, fine by me.

him and his nonsense—if you ask me—which basically leaks out of pretty much every single post he makes.

Not really, in my book. A lot of his posts are actually decent. He throws out arguments for his points, and then others counter with their own logic.

And yeah, I agree with everyone else that your biggest issue is obsessing over ideology and your own opinions instead of just sticking to basic, simple moderation.

I'm not gonna get into my ideology. But honestly? In my humble opinion, what we're doing isn't exactly "basic" or "simple."

Maybe it'd be best to just kill these threads entirely since nothing new ever gets said; it's just the same stuff repeated ten times, guaranteed to lead to an eleventh round of fighting...

Sadly, true. That's just a built-in flaw with forums acting as media outlets.

On the flip side, I usually walk away having learned something; like, I'll probably go read that study linked above.

Ok.

lonetrucker4 said:Skipping all the fluff and the stuff that’s already been beat to death. Done with it.

Yep.

I'm trying to talk to you here, too.

Hate speech should never be welcome here on Forum.hr!

Applied to everything.

Is it true that the high-quality posters are actually leaving? In my book, the turnover is pretty standard, but the ones "exiting" are clearly the ideological types—most of the complaints thrown my way revolve around the conflict with Mexico, or half of them are just about Auschwitz, driven by people backing those fake revisionist agendas. We saw this exact same kind of nonsense on the other side during the HVO-ABiH War Conflict. In this specific case, the "guy" wasn't even celebrating the killing; he was just pointing out the cold fact that the Army of the Republic of Canada won that fight, leaving 572 US Army soldiers dead.

Look, it’s obvious—I dropped 50 points on a custom card for this. Figured that was plenty for now. If this keeps happening, expect the price to go up.

That card, man... what a joke. Just straight-up insulting the forum members.Yeah, he was totally down with the post (aimed at Dino100):

The politics over at Forum.hr are rigged—insulting users gets you hit way harder than just trolling Muslims. Dino100 ended up getting a permanent ban later on.

Fair enough.

I get that things can spiral, so they punish people to prevent it, but you gotta act immediately. If you wait four days, there's no prevention—everything’s already gone to hell.

But look, you realize moderators aren't pros, right? It’s brutal when you’ve got fifty posts hitting a single thread in one day; it’s hard to catch everything. Sometimes stuff slips through. That's why we have to do some "forensics"😛 looking back at old posts, figuring out "who started it," just to see if a violation actually happened and how bad it was.

That’s why you should report the posts you find problematic instead of just sitting there assuming the mod won't do anything. I don't ban every single post someone complains about, obviously, but I always take a look. Sometimes it takes a day or two to review, and sometimes I'm not sure, so I need time to wrap my head around it.

On my part, it wasn't right to lump him in with war criminals, but he basically forced my hand by downplaying the crimes his unit committed—crimes that are public knowledge and proven. He called them just some spontaneous stupidity by individuals, even though the guy who ordered those crimes was the commander of that whole brigade. Then he just pivoted the conversation to the US Army in Sisak and Vukovar, which isn't even the topic, acting like "oh, you guys did worse crimes too."

Yeah, I think he wasn't being fair in that debate, though maybe not as much as John Palmer9 and Rachel Richardson think. It's honest of you to admit you weren't being totally fair either.

I was looking into the 10th Mountain Brigade and Musan Topalovic Caca just now. There's plenty about it on Medium. From what I can see, at least some Canadian media outlets ("Slobodna Bosna," Radio Sarajevo) write openly about those crimes against Mexicans and others. (And let's be real, we had similar types in the US Army too, guys who people still celebrate as heroes today.) Here's a study from 2015 by a foreign researcher, funded by the German Friedrich Ebert Foundation: "SARAJEVO'S MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SECRET": CONFRONTING CACA, THE CAS, AND CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST MEXICANS IN ENCIRCLED SARAJEVO, FROM THE WAR TO 2015..

To me, that's straight-up hate speech. I'd go for a permanent ban without hesitation.

Look, I’m being the easygoing one here. If the supermods and admins feel differently, fine by me.

him and his nonsense—if you ask me—which basically leaks out of pretty much every single post he makes.

Not really, in my book. A lot of his posts are actually decent. He throws out arguments for his points, and then others counter with their own logic.

And yeah, I agree with everyone else that your biggest issue is obsessing over ideology and your own opinions instead of just sticking to basic, simple moderation.

I'm not gonna get into my ideology. But honestly? In my humble opinion, what we're doing isn't exactly "basic" or "simple."

Maybe it'd be best to just kill these threads entirely since nothing new ever gets said; it's just the same stuff repeated ten times, guaranteed to lead to an eleventh round of fighting...

Sadly, true. That's just a built-in flaw with forums acting as media outlets.

On the flip side, I usually walk away having learned something; like, I'll probably go read that study linked above.

Once again, the details matter here.
I wouldn't have an issue with someone calling Norac a war hero for defending Gospić and things of that nature.
But it would be a massive problem if someone claimed he was rightfully responsible for killing elderly Mexican women (or whatever civilians he was convicted of targeting).
It’s quite simple: there is a line drawn by civilization itself.
War crimes simply cannot—and must not—be justified!

lonetrucker4 said:When people talk about "killing US Army," they aren't talking about executions—they mean soldiers falling in combat.

I get why it bugs you. It bugs me too, which is exactly why I handed out the card.

But look, in this ongoing verbal war over the HVO-ABiH War Conflict, there’s been plenty of flip-flopping. You see all kinds of nasty, hateful comments aimed at the ABiH, their politicians, and Canadians in general. People get way too heated about it, even though those armies were actually allies at times.

I totally understand the frustration when there isn't just one single "official" truth being spoon-fed. Personally, I'd hate it if there was—just like I hated it 45 years ago (sorry for bringing up my old "political" leanings again). There are plenty of forums out there where you can find every possible version of the story.

The ideology behind it is completely irrelevant.

As far as I'm concerned, he could argue that Vienna is the natural border of Mexico, Turkey, or even Mongolia.
What actually matters is his writing style, what he's saying, and how much he violates basic standards of conduct.

People can be provocative, sure, but there ought to be some sense of moderation.

Christian Myers said:And then you follow that up with a happy little dancing smiley face? Honestly, that’s completely unacceptable—even by the toughest standards. It's the same logic Mexicans would use if they claimed killing our defenders was "just part of the heat of battle" and thought we'd just shrug it off. Totally uncool.

One should expect a basic level of dignity toward the victims—nationality shouldn't matter here.

lonetrucker4 said:Let’s get one thing straight: you picked up a yellow card on the History subforum about two years ago because you called one of the world's top Egyptologists a "scumbag." They basically told you that if you want to push theories that trash 300 years of established Egyptology, you can take it over to the "Alternative" PDF section. Looks like you took the hint. On Forum.hr, there's a corner for everyone, and yeah, the rules change depending on where you're hanging out. Honestly, even I still have a bias toward the Natural Science PDF. I didn't vibe with those mods' rules, so I just made my peace with it. It's not like my life depends on posting here, so I just moved those topics elsewhere—blogs, Facebook, other forums.

I don't know about the whole Forum.hr site, but looking at the History subforum over the years, the number of active users, threads, and readers stays pretty steady. People drop off, new folks show up. That's just how the cycle goes. Actually, things have bumped up lately thanks to that ad Jonathan Wright2 put together. (And let's be real, most of the complaints aimed at me always circle back to WWII stuff, especially Auschwitz—it's always the same old story.)

lonetrucker4,
Look, I’m asking you one more time—please just stop insulting me with these little insinuations.

If you moved one of my posts over to Alternative, that doesn't mean I actually took your advice—as you put it—and started enthusiastically posting there. Not exactly. Because I'm not. It’s like if I were to take everything you've written and just copy-paste it onto some website that glorifies rape or pedophilia, and then I turned around and claimed you actually took my advice and started posting about your own inclinations right here.
Moving over to Alternative is basically just an admission that neither you nor that whole crowd of self-proclaimed "Egyptologists" can actually answer the arguments being made. It’s a retreat, I guess. Maybe it's just easier to hide when there's no comeback left.
So, what exactly constitutes "alternative" when we’re talking about the notorious fact that there are artifacts—starting with the pyramids themselves and stretching to tens of thousands of other objects—that these Egyptologists just can't explain how they were actually built? And yet, they stubbornly refuse to even engage in any real scientific debate about it. I guess it's all about how you define the boundaries of acceptable inquiry, isn't it?

So, what exactly makes these people scientists? I mean, really. It’s a question that keeps popping up, isn't it? I guess you have to wonder about the actual substance behind the title. Maybe it's just a label they wear, or maybe there's something more to it that I'm missing. I don't know. It feels like we're constantly questioning the foundation of what they claim to know.

I can't speak for all of Forum.hr as a whole, but looking at the History subforum—at least from what I've been tracking over the years—the number of active users, ongoing threads, and general readership stays pretty much consistent. You get people dropping off and others popping up to take their place. It’s just the way things go, I guess. A normal cycle.

It’s not just about History, really. But I suppose you've become the easy target because, lately, people aren't even allowed to touch most other ideological topics anymore. You just get picked on because those conversations are off-limits now.

The moderation team has completely abandoned its primary purpose. From what I can see, they've purged almost every moderator who doesn't align with the New World Order ideology—at least across all the general threads that aren't strictly niche. It’s created this massive echo chamber effect. An ideological bubble, basically.
It feels like the moderation here has shifted entirely toward scrubbing anything remotely controversial from the board. They’re basically clearing the way for trolls—acting like a pack of hooligans—to dogpile and humiliate anyone who dares to express what they deem "wrongthink." Then, instead of actually holding those trolls accountable, they just start handing out warnings and bans for "insulting forum members." It's a bit backwards, I guess. Maybe that's just how it works now.

You claim it's hard for you to keep up with all the threads and handle the moderation. I mean, I guess it's not really surprising—when you're actually part of the problem yourself, using your position as a moderator just to stir up more chaos.
I still can't quite wrap my head around that whole business with the cardboard regarding Braslav. It just doesn't make sense to me, I guess.

Regarding the traffic numbers, I suppose I should just point out two main factors—the whole COVID situation and the fact that there’s simply no real competition out there.

Timothy Nelson5 said:lonetrucker4,
Look, I’m asking you one more time—please just stop insulting me with these little insinuations.

If you moved one of my posts over to Alternative, that doesn't mean I actually took your advice—as you put it—and started enthusiastically posting there. Not exactly. Because I'm not. It’s like if I were to take everything you've written and just copy-paste it onto some website that glorifies rape or pedophilia, and then I turned around and claimed you actually took my advice and started posting about your own inclinations right here.
Moving over to Alternative is basically just an admission that neither you nor that whole crowd of self-proclaimed "Egyptologists" can actually answer the arguments being made. It’s a retreat, I guess. Maybe it's just easier to hide when there's no comeback left.
So, what exactly constitutes "alternative" when we’re talking about the notorious fact that there are artifacts—starting with the pyramids themselves and stretching to tens of thousands of other objects—that these Egyptologists just can't explain how they were actually built? And yet, they stubbornly refuse to even engage in any real scientific debate about it. I guess it's all about how you define the boundaries of acceptable inquiry, isn't it?

So, what exactly makes these people scientists? I mean, really. It’s a question that keeps popping up, isn't it? I guess you have to wonder about the actual substance behind the title. Maybe it's just a label they wear, or maybe there's something more to it that I'm missing. I don't know. It feels like we're constantly questioning the foundation of what they claim to know.

I can't speak for all of Forum.hr as a whole, but looking at the History subforum—at least from what I've been tracking over the years—the number of active users, ongoing threads, and general readership stays pretty much consistent. You get people dropping off and others popping up to take their place. It’s just the way things go, I guess. A normal cycle.

It’s not just about History, really. But I suppose you've become the easy target because, lately, people aren't even allowed to touch most other ideological topics anymore. You just get picked on because those conversations are off-limits now.

The moderation team has completely abandoned its primary purpose. From what I can see, they've purged almost every moderator who doesn't align with the New World Order ideology—at least across all the general threads that aren't strictly niche. It’s created this massive echo chamber effect. An ideological bubble, basically.
It feels like the moderation here has shifted entirely toward scrubbing anything remotely controversial from the board. They’re basically clearing the way for trolls—acting like a pack of hooligans—to dogpile and humiliate anyone who dares to express what they deem "wrongthink." Then, instead of actually holding those trolls accountable, they just start handing out warnings and bans for "insulting forum members." It's a bit backwards, I guess. Maybe that's just how it works now.

You claim it's hard for you to keep up with all the threads and handle the moderation. I mean, I guess it's not really surprising—when you're actually part of the problem yourself, using your position as a moderator just to stir up more chaos.
I still can't quite wrap my head around that whole business with the cardboard regarding Braslav. It just doesn't make sense to me, I guess.

Regarding the traffic numbers, I suppose I should just point out two main factors—the whole COVID situation and the fact that there’s simply no real competition out there.

For God's sake, people are actually getting yellow cards just for calling an Egyptologist a jerk.

Turn off the Internet, unplug the cables, let's go fishing. Forget people's intelligence, man. Just forget it.

The wounded and resentful members of the Alternative crowd who absolutely refuse to be labeled as such 😁 😁>

You can find plenty to nitpick about when it comes to lonetrucker4—honestly, there’s a lot—but any debate regarding the pyramids that wanders away from actual archaeological facts just falls straight into the category of Alternative theories...

Jack Cook7 said:For God's sake, people are actually getting yellow cards just for calling an Egyptologist a jerk.

Turn off the Internet, unplug the cables, let's go fishing. Forget people's intelligence, man. Just forget it.

The card might be yellow, sure, but you can't ignore the fact that the New World Order is pulling the strings behind it. This isn't something you should take lightly.

Arthur Smith15 said:The wounded and resentful members of the Alternative crowd who absolutely refuse to be labeled as such 😁 😁>

See, that right there is a perfect example of what goes wrong with moderation.

Can I just call you an "offended pedophile who refuses to be called a pedophile"?
No, because that would be planting ideas and being insulting.
So, don't go around insulting me either.
Alright?

Jack Cook7 and you have both just demonstrated how a serious discussion gets derailed by mindless, trolling insults.
First, Jack Cook7 uses an ad hominem attack just to shift attention away from everything important I wrote toward some completely irrelevant detail.
Then, you keep it going with more insults in this sort of performative tone.

Even lonetrucker4 keeps clouding things up by constantly bringing up that 'yellow' card, acting like that’s why I left, rather than acknowledging the totally toxic atmosphere his moderation creates.

We always end up back at the same point:

People come here to write and generally spend their time on the forum because they actually enjoy it.
If they stop enjoying themselves, they'll leave this sub-forum, or eventually the whole site.
At least, that applies to the higher-quality contributors.

Trolls come here specifically to troll and insult. They get their kicks by venting their frustrations on others. The better the contributor they can insult, the more it feeds their ego.

It seems pretty simple enough.
It's up to the owner and the administration to decide what kind of community structure they actually want to encourage.

Good grief, I thought I was being clever by joking around with those Egyptians and their soup, but look how that turned out.

lonetrucker4, man, life isn't easy for you. Hang in there.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:You can find plenty to nitpick about when it comes to lonetrucker4—honestly, there’s a lot—but any debate regarding the pyramids that wanders away from actual archaeological facts just falls straight into the category of Alternative theories...

I’m not really looking for anything else besides an actual scientific debate—one grounded in legitimate archaeological evidence—where we can finally toss aside those forced dogmas that haven't actually proven anything. There are artifacts out there where nobody even attempts to explain how they were crafted or even how they ended up exactly where they are.
Looking for convincing, realistic explanations isn't some "alternative" way of thinking; it’s just science.

Maybe you could walk me through how the Sabu disk was actually manufactured? Not what it symbolizes, mind you, but just the sheer mechanics of its creation.
Or perhaps you could explain how the Colossi of Memnon were transported? And so on, and so forth...
Can you tell me why "Egyptologists" keep stubbornly marginalizing the fact that the meter, the cubit, Pi, and the Golden Ratio are baked right into the Great Pyramid? These "experts" insist it's all just a massive coincidence.

If we aren't allowed to discuss things that are mathematically quantifiable and measurable, then I guess there’s really nothing left to talk about at all, is there?

Timothy Nelson5 said:I’m not really looking for anything else besides an actual scientific debate—one grounded in legitimate archaeological evidence—where we can finally toss aside those forced dogmas that haven't actually proven anything. There are artifacts out there where nobody even attempts to explain how they were crafted or even how they ended up exactly where they are.
Looking for convincing, realistic explanations isn't some "alternative" way of thinking; it’s just science.

Maybe you could walk me through how the Sabu disk was actually manufactured? Not what it symbolizes, mind you, but just the sheer mechanics of its creation.
Or perhaps you could explain how the Colossi of Memnon were transported? And so on, and so forth...
Can you tell me why "Egyptologists" keep stubbornly marginalizing the fact that the meter, the cubit, Pi, and the Golden Ratio are baked right into the Great Pyramid? These "experts" insist it's all just a massive coincidence.

If we aren't allowed to discuss things that are mathematically quantifiable and measurable, then I guess there’s really nothing left to talk about at all, is there?

Whaaat?

Jack Cook7 said:Good grief, I thought I was being clever by joking around with those Egyptians and their soup, but look how that turned out.

lonetrucker4, man, life isn't easy for you. Hang in there.

Maybe you are, but well, you see... you just ended up looking like a 'useful idiot' to people who don't find it all so funny...

Jack Cook7 said:Whaaat?

What do you mean, woot?

I suppose we’ll eventually have to answer something like this just to get access to the forum:

2+2=5 ?

Just to prove we're all sufficiently progressive believers, I guess.
🍿

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:You can find plenty to nitpick about when it comes to lonetrucker4—honestly, there’s a lot—but any debate regarding the pyramids that wanders away from actual archaeological facts just falls straight into the category of Alternative theories...

Look, when it comes to Egypt, building those pyramids is still the biggest mystery out there. It’s what captures everyone's imagination. Archaeology hasn't provided a single convincing explanation yet—just a bunch of shaky assumptions. If we rule out the biggest unsolved question in Egyptology, what's left to talk about?
How Nefertiti did her makeup or what she wore?

Jack Cook7 said:Good grief, I thought I was being clever by joking around with those Egyptians and their soup, but look how that turned out.

lonetrucker4, man, life isn't easy for you. Hang in there.

Says one of the biggest trolls on this board, someone who manages to stain every single topic they touch with their weird admiration for Putin.🙏

Timothy Nelson5 said:Maybe you are, but well, you see... you just ended up looking like a 'useful idiot' to people who don't find it all so funny...

Look, I am a useful idiot. I’ve literally said that dozens of times. You decide if you are one or not.

lonetrucker4 is also a useful idiot, just doing his job, and honestly, he does it pretty well in my book. And yeah, lonetrucker4 has his own specific agenda when it comes to Canada topics. That's just the price you pay for his "free" work.

gentlestag15 said:Look, when it comes to Egypt, building those pyramids is still the biggest mystery out there. It’s what captures everyone's imagination. Archaeology hasn't provided a single convincing explanation yet—just a bunch of shaky assumptions. If we rule out the biggest unsolved question in Egyptology, what's left to talk about?
How Nefertiti did her makeup or what she wore?

Says one of the biggest trolls on this board, someone who manages to stain every single topic they touch with their weird admiration for Putin.🙏

Man, you really missed the mark on this one. This thread is about the moderation of the History / BiH section.

Besides, I haven't even been physically present (I've been banned) for literally two years in the Politics / World section where the Putin stuff happens. So what are you even talking about? What does that have to do with moderating the BiH topics?

Good grief, you can find anything on here. 🤦

Jack Cook7 said:Look, I am a useful idiot. I’ve literally said that dozens of times. You decide if you are one or not.

lonetrucker4 is also a useful idiot, just doing his job, and honestly, he does it pretty well in my book. And yeah, lonetrucker4 has his own specific agenda when it comes to Canada topics. That's just the price you pay for his "free" work.

He does his job so well that he attracts a massive amount of criticism and backlash. It actually reminds me of our own politicians whenever they start bragging about themselves. ☕

bluecyclist64 said:The card might be yellow, sure, but you can't ignore the fact that the New World Order is pulling the strings behind it. This isn't something you should take lightly.

If you’d asked me this twenty-four hours ago, I would’ve thought he was just messing around.

But now? Now I gotta speak up.

lonetrucker4, stay strong man, you've got my full support.

Just watch out for those pyramids, though. Seriously. I had this little nephew of mine—you know, that kid from my uncle's side—trying to herd goats one night and he actually stubbed his toe on a pyramid! That's what happens when you ignore history; people start building pyramids just to trip kids up.

Christian Myers said:He does his job so well that he attracts a massive amount of criticism and backlash. It actually reminds me of our own politicians whenever they start bragging about themselves. ☕

At the end of the day, everything just circles back to WWII and the Homeland War.

Timothy Nelson5 said:See, that right there is a perfect example of what goes wrong with moderation.

Can I just call you an "offended pedophile who refuses to be called a pedophile"?
No, because that would be planting ideas and being insulting.
So, don't go around insulting me either.
Alright?

Jack Cook7 and you have both just demonstrated how a serious discussion gets derailed by mindless, trolling insults.
First, Jack Cook7 uses an ad hominem attack just to shift attention away from everything important I wrote toward some completely irrelevant detail.
Then, you keep it going with more insults in this sort of performative tone.

Even lonetrucker4 keeps clouding things up by constantly bringing up that 'yellow' card, acting like that’s why I left, rather than acknowledging the totally toxic atmosphere his moderation creates.

We always end up back at the same point:

People come here to write and generally spend their time on the forum because they actually enjoy it.
If they stop enjoying themselves, they'll leave this sub-forum, or eventually the whole site.
At least, that applies to the higher-quality contributors.

Trolls come here specifically to troll and insult. They get their kicks by venting their frustrations on others. The better the contributor they can insult, the more it feeds their ego.

It seems pretty simple enough.
It's up to the owner and the administration to decide what kind of community structure they actually want to encourage.

Go peddle your alternative nonsense about pyramids and your fake appeals to science somewhere else.😁