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Participants Rachel Richardsonfadedridge903William Clark86Terry Barnes7lonetrucker4Timothy Nelson5Roger FowlerBrenda Johnson65wearybison63Christian MyersJohn Palmer9Morgan Rodriguez57gentlestag15Nancy Hall2Tyler Johnson11driftingorca37Jack Cook7Noah Ross7nimblemoose2bluecyclist64Arthur Smith15Jonathan Wright2Jessica Morris6Kyle Nelson2 …
Jonathan Wright2 Jonathan Wright2 Member
44 messages
joined Aug 2020
#121 ·
Bradley White73 said:A faker, definitely. He counted me as "surveyed" just because of my posts supporting Smith on the PZK. Since I sided with the Smith camp, he basically checked me off, and then acted surprised when I complained about it. I guess he's doing this because he needs the highest possible number of "respondents"—even if they aren't real—to try and pressure the admins into putting Smith's moderation under a public vote.
The ultimate goal here is History without moderation. I'm not even joking. Just thought you all should know who you're really dealing with.
PS
You would have received a notification if you were actually on the list.

Listen, lady... You got notified that you were part of the survey.
And you also got the list of everyone involved, just for the sake of transparency.
Are you seriously implying I manipulated the poll results..?
Fine.
Look, if rustydrifter10 wants the list of names, she can go ahead and contact every single one of them individually to hear their side of things.
I didn't fudge a single comma in this process.
And honestly, it isn't fair to label me a cheater when I've handed over the data so you can verify everything yourself.
Bradley White73 said:A faker, definitely. He counted me as "surveyed" just because of my posts supporting Smith on the PZK. Since I sided with the Smith camp, he basically checked me off, and then acted surprised when I complained about it. I guess he's doing this because he needs the highest possible number of "respondents"—even if they aren't real—to try and pressure the admins into putting Smith's moderation under a public vote.
The ultimate goal here is History without moderation. I'm not even joking. Just thought you all should know who you're really dealing with.
PS
You would have received a notification if you were actually on the list.

Again, you're twisting things and blowing this way out of proportion. I don't know what your angle is or why you're doing this, but let me tell you: every single person surveyed expressed loyalty to this forum, as well as a demand for the quality standards that keep us here.
There were plenty of different ideas floating around among the guys—from boycotting the History sub-forum (which is actually happening now), to sending a collective petition to rustydrifter10 to try and stabilize the moderation there, to appealing directly to the site owner, and so on.
None of that reached a final decision; it was just a shared sense of frustration that the group—regardless of how many people are unhappy with specific issues—might end up walking away from the forum tomorrow.
Personally, I'm fighting tooth and nail to stay right here.
I'm trying to encourage us. To not give up just because of one person who thinks they're always right...
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to leave, and there's nothing I can do about that.
Bradley White73 said:A faker, definitely. He counted me as "surveyed" just because of my posts supporting Smith on the PZK. Since I sided with the Smith camp, he basically checked me off, and then acted surprised when I complained about it. I guess he's doing this because he needs the highest possible number of "respondents"—even if they aren't real—to try and pressure the admins into putting Smith's moderation under a public vote.
The ultimate goal here is History without moderation. I'm not even joking. Just thought you all should know who you're really dealing with.
PS
You would have received a notification if you were actually on the list.

Look, lady...
About 120 colleagues received the list of who participated in the survey.
Stop misleading Arthur Smith15 by telling him he's on the list when he clearly isn't.
If you've got hate to spew, aim it at me instead of feeding false info to the gentleman.
Please... I'm standing right here if you want to talk.
Jonathan Wright2 Jonathan Wright2 Member
44 messages
joined Aug 2020
#122 ·
stormygardener15 said:Come on, let's get this poll out in the open so we can see what's actually happening here...

If it's just filled with brainwashed, neo-communist descendants of the old Yugoslav secret police, then there are way too many of them...

Look, the poll is entirely my responsibility.
I already posted the results in the previous message..
Who voted for what is strictly confidential—it isn't recorded anywhere except for the moment I sorted them into the specific collective categories.

It’s not like I’m afraid to publish the poll itself, but the whole point was to connect the dots.
Basically, I wanted to figure out for myself why ZO keeps coming after me..
And then things just spiraled out of control..

The common thread here is that ZO is incredibly heavy-handed when it comes to forcing his own ideology onto others—he blocks debates and won't allow anyone to have a personal opinion..
In short, he's suffocating this forum.
He's killing the good vibes.
People are leaving.
New people aren't even showing up to the board.
This poll just showed how much damage is being done.

It's not that I want ZO to quit the forum.
The guy is genuinely dedicated to history and really knows his stuff, but he's become way too "tight" and controlling.
A little more tolerance—maybe having a co-moderator—could be the start of fixing this mess..
Christian Myers Christian Myers Active Member
100 messages
joined Oct 2024
#123 ·
Alright, I’m backing up what Jonathan Wright2 is saying here. I saw the poll and cast my vote for getting Oštrić out of here—honestly, he did a pretty solid job setting this up, considering how these online polls usually go. He posted the results right here, and they speak volumes about how everyone on this forum actually feels.
Arthur Smith15 Arthur Smith15 Member
41 messages
joined Nov 2021
#124 ·
Jonathan Wright2 said:Since I got called out in the post, I guess I have to respond, my dear colleague.

Neither you nor our friend bluecyclist64 made it onto the poll.
I didn't think it was necessary to include you two since you're such close ideological allies of lonettrucker4.

Please, don't take it personally.
As for the poll itself:
The request was sent out to over 160 different users on this forum.
We ended up getting responses from 120 people.
Here is how the numbers currently stack up:

84—against lonettrucker4
18—neutral or undecided
8—irrelevant/not interested
10—for lonettrucker4

It wasn't some "secret" operation; I just didn't expect things to blow up this much.
I kept it quiet for a bit.
I started this whole thing because I felt like lonettrucker4 was systematically targeting me.
And honestly, the results proved I wasn't alone in feeling that way.

If you want to be part of the poll, you're more than welcome. I'm not trying to play favorites here. It's just that I didn't see the point in dragging you guys into it.
You and bluecyclist64 openly support lonettrucker4, which is totally your right.

Initially... the poll spread like wildfire among those who had been sanctioned or were dealing with sanctions.
Besides...
rustydrifter10 can go ahead and ask the users over in the History PDF thread how they interpret the situation.

This isn't about being brave or anything—it's just that I already know what your answer would be.
Sometimes I seriously wonder if you and lonettrucker4 are actually the same person...

Your attempts at politeness are utterly futile—you are a proven liar and a fraud. You have zero respect for anyone, because creatively twisting quotes is the ultimate sign of disrespect toward those unfortunate enough to stumble upon your posts. So, stop playing the part.

(...) because you are ideological accomplices to lonetrucker4. (...)

You liar, I am no one's "accomplice," and frankly, aren't you ashamed to invent such blatant lies?

(...) The poll isn't a secret, I just didn't expect things to escalate this far.
I kept it confidential.
It was launched because I felt like I was being systematically targeted by lonetrucker4. (...)

No, what's actually happening is that you systematically falsify quotes and spout nonsense, which is why you constantly get called out. Not only do you lack the basic decency to retreat after being caught red-handed multiple times, but you actually go on the offensive and play the victim. 🤦 You aren't a victim; you're a liar and a fraud.

(...) (...) And the poll proved to me that I'm not alone. (...)

Ha! 😁 First off, you're trying to pass off some pathetic half-measure as an actual poll. Second, yeah—you certainly aren't alone when it comes to being in the company of ignoramuses, frauds, revisionists, and fans of Little Floramya.

(...) This isn't about bravery; it's just that I already know how you'll respond. (...)

Of course it isn't. You're nothing but a liar and a coward.

Jonathan Wright2 said:Listen, lady... You got notified that you were part of the survey.
And you also got the list of everyone involved, just for the sake of transparency.
Are you seriously implying I manipulated the poll results..?
Fine.
Look, if rustydrifter10 wants the list of names, she can go ahead and contact every single one of them individually to hear their side of things.
I didn't fudge a single comma in this process.
And honestly, it isn't fair to label me a cheater when I've handed over the data so you can verify everything yourself.

Again, you're twisting things and blowing this way out of proportion. I don't know what your angle is or why you're doing this, but let me tell you: every single person surveyed expressed loyalty to this forum, as well as a demand for the quality standards that keep us here.
There were plenty of different ideas floating around among the guys—from boycotting the History sub-forum (which is actually happening now), to sending a collective petition to rustydrifter10 to try and stabilize the moderation there, to appealing directly to the site owner, and so on.
None of that reached a final decision; it was just a shared sense of frustration that the group—regardless of how many people are unhappy with specific issues—might end up walking away from the forum tomorrow.
Personally, I'm fighting tooth and nail to stay right here.
I'm trying to encourage us. To not give up just because of one person who thinks they're always right...
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going to leave, and there's nothing I can do about that.

Look, lady...
About 120 colleagues received the list of who participated in the survey.
Stop misleading Arthur Smith15 by telling him he's on the list when he clearly isn't.
If you've got hate to spew, aim it at me instead of feeding false info to the gentleman.
Please... I'm standing right here if you want to talk.

You're directing that at someone else—you fraud! 😁 You truly have no shame...
Jonathan Wright2 Jonathan Wright2 Member
44 messages
joined Aug 2020
#125 ·
Thanks for the credibility, Christian Myers..

Look, let me say this again.. rustydrifter10 can reach out to whoever they want, whenever they feel like it, and personally ask every single person who took that poll exactly why they voted the way they did..
They could go ahead and ask those 84 people why they’re so dead set against lonetrucker4 being a moderator..
Or maybe they want to ask the 18 folks who are sitting on the fence or feeling neutral..
Or, if they're feeling really bold, they could talk to the 10 people who actually back lonetrucker4..

Honestly, rustydrifter10 is more than welcome to double-check the logic behind these poll results whenever they want..
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
193 messages
joined Apr 2024
#126 ·
Arthur Smith15 said:Your attempts at politeness are utterly futile—you are a proven liar and a fraud. You have zero respect for anyone, because creatively twisting quotes is the ultimate sign of disrespect toward those unfortunate enough to stumble upon your posts. So, stop playing the part.

(...) because you are ideological accomplices to lonetrucker4. (...)

You liar, I am no one's "accomplice," and frankly, aren't you ashamed to invent such blatant lies?

(...) The poll isn't a secret, I just didn't expect things to escalate this far.
I kept it confidential.
It was launched because I felt like I was being systematically targeted by lonetrucker4. (...)

No, what's actually happening is that you systematically falsify quotes and spout nonsense, which is why you constantly get called out. Not only do you lack the basic decency to retreat after being caught red-handed multiple times, but you actually go on the offensive and play the victim. 🤦 You aren't a victim; you're a liar and a fraud.

(...) (...) And the poll proved to me that I'm not alone. (...)

Ha! 😁 First off, you're trying to pass off some pathetic half-measure as an actual poll. Second, yeah—you certainly aren't alone when it comes to being in the company of ignoramuses, frauds, revisionists, and fans of Little Floramya.

(...) This isn't about bravery; it's just that I already know how you'll respond. (...)

Of course it isn't. You're nothing but a liar and a coward.

You're directing that at someone else—you fraud! 😁 You truly have no shame...

Look, Al, chill out! Seriously, I just checked in with Bill and he said it's totally fine to admit we have weekly video calls with him, Elona, George, and Joža, as long as we don't blow the cover on our other associates in the United Deep State. ☕
Arthur Smith15 Arthur Smith15 Member
41 messages
joined Nov 2021
#127 ·
lonetrucker4 said:Look, Al, chill out! Seriously, I just checked in with Bill and he said it's totally fine to admit we have weekly video calls with him, Elona, George, and Joža, as long as we don't blow the cover on our other associates in the United Deep State. ☕

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Yes master! 😁
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#128 ·
Honestly, I couldn't care less about these polls, and I really don't see any point in even bringing them up.

Jonathan Wright2 said:Since I got called out in the post, I guess I have to respond, my dear colleague.

Neither you nor our friend bluecyclist64 made it onto the poll.
I didn't think it was necessary to include you two since you're such close ideological allies of lonettrucker4.

Please, don't take it personally.
As for the poll itself:
The request was sent out to over 160 different users on this forum.
We ended up getting responses from 120 people.
Here is how the numbers currently stack up:

84—against lonettrucker4
18—neutral or undecided
8—irrelevant/not interested
10—for lonettrucker4

It wasn't some "secret" operation; I just didn't expect things to blow up this much.
I kept it quiet for a bit.
I started this whole thing because I felt like lonettrucker4 was systematically targeting me.
And honestly, the results proved I wasn't alone in feeling that way.

If you want to be part of the poll, you're more than welcome. I'm not trying to play favorites here. It's just that I didn't see the point in dragging you guys into it.
You and bluecyclist64 openly support lonettrucker4, which is totally your right.

Initially... the poll spread like wildfire among those who had been sanctioned or were dealing with sanctions.
Besides...
rustydrifter10 can go ahead and ask the users over in the History PDF thread how they interpret the situation.

This isn't about being brave or anything—it's just that I already know what your answer would be.
Sometimes I seriously wonder if you and lonettrucker4 are actually the same person...

And let’s be real—I have zero faith in a poll where the author conveniently leaves out the very people they know won't vote the way they want. If that's the case, then what's even the point? Thanks a lot, but you can just keep the results and all those little details to yourself, because the administration isn't going to use them to make any actual decisions anyway.
Christian Myers Christian Myers Active Member
100 messages
joined Oct 2024
#129 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, I couldn't care less about these polls, and I really don't see any point in even bringing them up.

And let’s be real—I have zero faith in a poll where the author conveniently leaves out the very people they know won't vote the way they want. If that's the case, then what's even the point? Thanks a lot, but you can just keep the results and all those little details to yourself, because the administration isn't going to use them to make any actual decisions anyway.

So why not just run a poll where those two specific guys can actually cast their votes? Then we'll see what the public really thinks.

Besides, even if you count those two votes, there's still a massive majority in favor of replacing Smith.
Jonathan Wright2 Jonathan Wright2 Member
44 messages
joined Aug 2020
#130 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, I couldn't care less about these polls, and I really don't see any point in even bringing them up.

And let’s be real—I have zero faith in a poll where the author conveniently leaves out the very people they know won't vote the way they want. If that's the case, then what's even the point? Thanks a lot, but you can just keep the results and all those little details to yourself, because the administration isn't going to use them to make any actual decisions anyway.

I get why you wouldn't trust the poll.
In fact, that's exactly what you'd expect from the admin team.
I mean, why on earth would you?

The reason names like Arthur Smith15 and bluecyclist64 weren't included isn't because they're backing lonetrucker4—it's simply because they don't have the same "status" as everyone else who gets slapped with sanctions almost automatically.
But hey, I'm not trying to beat around the bush here.

There are roughly 160-170 forum members who actually received the inquiry;
How would you rate the moderator's work regarding the PDF titled "History of lonetrucker4"?
So far, 120 people have weighed in.

So, if you're really feeling this way, I can give you a list of my colleagues' handles—feel free to reach out to any of them and ask what they think or how they voted...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#131 ·
lonetrucker4, do me, would you please just list out how many cards and total points I've racked up from you? Since I'm apparently so incredibly privileged...🤣
Let's see who actually managed to collect more.
stormygardener15 stormygardener15 Member
30 messages
joined Apr 2022
#132 ·
I honestly don't see why everyone is whining about this. The woman already told you guys to stop letting these damn polls mess with your heads...

Look, you’ve got to keep up the pressure constantly and call out every single irregularity or inconsistency they throw at us—which, let's be real, most people are actually doing anyway... that's really the only way to get anything changed on that PDF document.
stormygardener15 stormygardener15 Member
30 messages
joined Apr 2022
#133 ·
I honestly don't see why everyone is whining about this. The woman already told you guys to stop letting those damn polls screw you over...

Look, you have to keep the pressure on constantly and call out every single irregularity or inconsistency they throw at us—which, let's be real, most people are already doing anyway... that's pretty much the only way to actually get anything changed on that PDF file.
Ryan Perez Ryan Perez Member
12 messages
joined Aug 2020
#134 ·
Unless we are talking about Jasenovac Oštrić, I suppose I don't really care much about it. He has basically killed off history, so he just spends his time reading other PDFs out of pure boredom. I guess that might be why he is being so slow to react.
Rachel Barrett8 Rachel Barrett8 Active Member
155 messages
joined Apr 2023
#135 ·
Ryan Perez said:Unless we are talking about Jasenovac Oštrić, I suppose I don't really care much about it. He has basically killed off history, so he just spends his time reading other PDFs out of pure boredom. I guess that might be why he is being so slow to react.

Don't go dragging anyone else down to Oštrić's level.😁
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
90 messages
joined Sep 2022
#136 ·
stormygardener15 said:I honestly don't see why everyone is whining about this. The woman already told you guys to stop letting these damn polls mess with your heads...

Look, you’ve got to keep up the pressure constantly and call out every single irregularity or inconsistency they throw at us—which, let's be real, most people are actually doing anyway... that's really the only way to get anything changed on that PDF document.

If we actually live in a democracy, then an individual vote should be the most important thing there is, regardless of which side you support, just so we can finally see how things truly stand.
stormygardener15 stormygardener15 Member
30 messages
joined Apr 2022
#137 ·
Roger Fowler said:If we actually live in a democracy, then an individual vote should be the most important thing there is, regardless of which side you support, just so we can finally see how things truly stand.

But let's get real—this whole Forum.hr thing is a private operation. There isn't any democracy happening here; the owner just sets the rules and that's that. Whatever...
John Palmer9 John Palmer9 Active Member
62 messages
joined Mar 2023
#138 ·
stormygardener15 said:But let's get real—this whole Forum.hr thing is a private operation. There isn't any democracy happening here; the owner just sets the rules and that's that. Whatever...

I suppose there is democracy, though people mostly just vote with their feet, kind of like how folks in Berlin do.
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson RegularOP
662 messages
joined Jul 2017
#139 ·
Arthur Smith15 said:Your own track record on this forum is absolute garbage, yet here you are, hypocritically leading the charge against someone else, rambling on about "behavior," "trolling," and "rules."🤦

Go ahead, you complainers—keep opening your little polls, but make sure to include a mandatory question about Auschwitz. I’ll bet my bottom dollar that every single one of you is a hardcore revisionist who would spend all day recounting bones, because clearly, it couldn't possibly be that many victims on little Floramya's watch... There is a clear correlation here between being dissatisfied with the moderator and the specific brand of nonsense you'd be spewing in the History section if that moderator weren't standing in your way.

Oh, and can someone tell me if I even made it onto that secret Jonathan Wright2 list—you know, that poll? 😁 The funniest part is how he comes out looking like a fraud either way: if I'm not on it, he's just polling his own supporters; if I am, then he's a fraud (given the latest news...) because he never actually polled me. 😁 Come on, Jonathan Wright2, man, find some backbone and some dignity and just answer the question...

Look, let's just get one thing straight once and for all—you're nothing more than a troll. Since you're already here, we might as well clear the air.

You keep jumping at me—constantly trying to play the intellectual, constantly pushing my buttons just to provoke a reaction.
You haven't been penalized even once—but honestly, what is the actual value of your posts?
Persistent personal attacks against other participants?

Christian Myers said:And is this really okay behavior from a moderator? Rachel Richardson is one of the most active and high-quality people on this thread—she has massive knowledge and solid arguments (even if I don't always agree with them), so her posts definitely don't count as garbage.

It’s not okay at all—but the guy just won't quit, constantly harping on the exact same thing over and over again.
I honestly can't help but wonder—how many points would I have racked up if I had just given him a taste of his own medicine?
Starting with the (lack of) quality of his posts, and moving forward from there.

Frank Foster6 said:Mr. Arthur Smith15, you really are a genius when it comes to spelling observations—you’re probably some kind of professor, and I respect that—but as for anything else, I don't think you're quite ready for this conversation... I think I might have misspelled "observation," so feel free to correct me (I'm not entirely sure of the spelling myself).

It isn't.
His contribution to these discussions is pretty much limited to jumping into a thread and then launching unpunished insults at everyone else—just like he’s doing right now.

stormygardener15 said:The only thing you wrote that's actually true is what you put in bold. The guy knows exactly what he's doing. It’s honestly a disgrace to Forum.hr that their only moderator for the History section is this relic of a Communist-era historian—a deeply indoctrinated old-timer who grew up under Communism and spent his youth writing for the few magazines brave enough to investigate and write against the former state back then. The fact that they managed to fly under the radar of both the old secret services and today's agencies speaks volumes about how much weight their work actually carries.

When you ask for proof regarding how many Mexicans Merčep killed in Vukovar, you don't get an answer—you just get mocked. Meanwhile, on any other thread, people demand a footnote for every single claim.

Check my last entry on this thread where I dropped two posts. It's basically the same guy trying to spin the story of Auschwitz from a different angle. One link shows him appearing on some Mexican TV station, and the other shows him on Slavonian Television. Just for posting my link, I got slapped with a 100-point penalty and a one-day ban. Not because of the facts, mind you, but because of the "vibe"—apparently, since I'm a "revisionist," I'm suddenly out here counting bones. So what if I am a revisionist? So what if I insist that all of this needs to be thoroughly re-examined? What's the big deal? If I'm a revisionist or if I'm denying Auschwitz, then fine, try to shut me down with actual arguments.

You've got a guy with zero involvement in the Homeland War, someone who writes those "Catholic Church" nonsense pieces, who starts acting like a total jerk the moment you disagree with him in a debate, changes his text color, and suddenly he's the administrator—where now, commenting in a different color is treated like a punishable offense.

Forum.hr 2021

Unfortunately, this is the truth.
The flyers being handed out are creating a "wrong" impression.
Arthur Smith15 said:Lol 😁 😁 What absolute nonsense...

No, I only make spelling "observations" when I see some forum philosopher or pseudo-linguist spewing utter drivel about language and etymology. The utility is twofold: it amuses me to play the pedant, and it delights me to expose charlatanism. Plus, it allows readers to see exactly how far an "author" is willing to let their fantasies run wild. And no, I'm not a professor—certainly not based on the caliber of people I find myself correcting. In fact, just recently, I had to teach your defender—this self-proclaimed great forum linguist—that it isn't "isogloss" but "isogloss" [sic]... he didn't even thank me 😁 Right now, I'm busy teaching him what the term actually means, because it certainly doesn't mean what he thinks it does in those hundreds of entries where he tries to act like an expert—though judging by that first quote, he’s managed to sell it quite successfully to some people.

It takes time; it's a process...

And you weren't even rewarded with points for all that effort.
Leaping in, picking fights—over and over again.
And you should have been there.
For every single one of those posts—for the entire story—you end up turning it back in a way that violates every single rule on the forum.
Frank Foster6 said:When it comes to the specific threads he follows, lonetrucker4 is a really high-quality contributor, there's no denying that. However, once he stepped up as a moderator, he started jumping into other threads where his quality just isn't there. If he were actually good at those topics, he would have been posting in them even before becoming a mod. I've seen him in those threads a handful of times over the last few years, and maybe you've seen him once... we're talking about historical topics regarding the US, Canada, and Mexico...

Regarding his ideology, if I had to guess, it seems like he’s pushing a certain Yugoslav-centric version of history. Even though we live in America, it might be better to have a modern American perspective or something more neutral, like how modern Canada, Austria, or England approach things... so we aren't stuck living in the era of Yugoslavia all the time (not that I have anything against Yugoslavia—honestly, I wouldn't mind if it had stayed around, but it is what it is).

It could potentially be a communist ideology... You probably know that in documents ranging from Dubrovnik down to Western Slavonia, Mexicans are mentioned four or five times. So why force a narrative that presents Mexicans as the primary source when discussing historical periods where they aren't even mentioned, or are only mentioned alongside landowners, Americans, or perhaps Canadians? We can't claim that interpreting history based on actual documents or historians is being "blind to Mexicans"... we have to respect history, no matter how hard that is for some people. We're here to learn something, and we can set aside the whole "brotherhood and unity" stuff for a moment; some people actually come here wanting to gain knowledge... why hide that?

Or then there's his personal way of handing out punishments. I reply to a comment in blue text and immediately get a strike. Two other people respond right after me and don't get anything... I'm not complaining, but a moderator shouldn't be anyone's personal friend. That's why they become moderators—to be neutral. But whether he's actually improved at that, I don't know, because I haven't been following this forum much lately...

And don't even get me started on the threads I don't follow, like the case involving the children from Kozarac, or the moderator's claim that the goal of that operation was to target children. Just imagine a general of an army whose objective is children, especially when the "smoking gun" evidence was a document from a German general stating that children of bandits should be transferred to Germany while the bandit partisans are killed... and what actually happened? The events on the ground directly contradict that top-level document. Those children were taken in by Diana Budisavljević... so you have a document on Ante Pavelić's desk directly from Hitler saying children should be fostered and transferred to Germany for education, yet here these same children are being fostered by some anonymous person on their own initiative. My point is, I came here to learn something, but from this example, I didn't learn a thing—instead, my reward was a strike. That's not how this works.

There was more to say, but let's leave it at that. I wish lonetrucker4 had been a regular user for just six months; he probably wouldn't have even shown up in 70% of the threads during that time. Unfortunately, that speaks volumes. At the end of the day, his appointment was a decision made by the Forum.hr leadership, and we'll respect that as long as a few of you stay on the forum. Maybe things will change then. It is what it is.

👍

Look, Arthur Smith15 is a prime example of someone who just relentlessly insults others without ever facing any consequences.
So, what actually happened to him?

lonetrucker4 has his own ideology—which shouldn't be an issue in and of itself, regardless of how inaccurate it might be—provided that the forum rules are actually applied objectively.
Frank Foster6 said:Alright, look, if you're actually smart and take pride in your work, start digging into scientific papers, books, and so on. You already know my stances or opinions, so find them across various threads and start challenging the controversial points, or use Wikipedia for that too—that's why we're here. You spend all your time talking about "isoglosses," but that's not the main issue. We're all participating here together so that someone might actually learn something. Sure, you can learn a lot from you regarding spelling mistakes, but we are here for history PDFs, not grammar PDFs. I've learned things from you too, like the concept of "pre-arrival," so thanks for that, but let's get down to business. Let's read primary sources on historical topics and correct disputed claims and viewpoints. Just drop the "isoglosses"... I don't think you actually intended to debunk Wikipedia's claims by arguing whether something is an "isogloss" or an "izogloss"... and then spending a whole month on it... debating whether it's a neck or a throat...

And that’s really the ceiling for him when it comes to actual debate.
Tragic.
Christian Myers said:I'm typing this on my phone, and since I didn't zoom in properly, I thought it was Smith (🤦). You have similar photos, and the writing style is pretty much the same too. Regardless, the second part still stands.

It occurred to me a few times as well—that cloning might actually be happening.

Arthur Smith15 said:Tell me something—would you ever go to a cut-rate, bottom-tier dentist? Or would you actually take financial advice from someone who barely finished middle school? Of course not. So, I suggest you take a moment to seriously question the level of "expertise" we’re dealing with here. We have an individual who, from one post to the next, endlessly rambles about linguistic topics, tripping over terms like "isoglosses" without even grasping what they mean, acting like languages are just things people "speak" casually, and making arrogant claims about Slovak being anything other than what it actually is. It is pure, unadulterated ignorance. A textbook case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. This is exactly the kind of commentary I find myself addressing. And don't give me that tired excuse of "well, this is History, not Linguistics." On the contrary, it is precisely within the study of History where this brand of linguistic charlatanism reveals itself in its most egregious form. My point is simple: if someone allows themselves to babble about one subject with zero intellect, zero shame, and total disregard for any correction, then it is highly questionable whether they have anything of substance to say about anything else. At the end of the day, we are talking about the same person and the exact same flawed mindset.

That’s fair, and in that regard, you've proven yourself to be a high-quality interlocutor—someone capable of setting aside ego to actually listen to a well-meaning suggestion. My intention wasn't merely to engage in empty "grammar nazism" (if we want to call any linguistic correction that), but rather to offer a suggestion regarding one of the core concepts central to this entire discussion.

Let's try this one more time.
Everything I’ve said has been backed by sources.
The theory regarding the South Slavic origins of the Central Slovak dialect (which serves as the basis for the Slovak standard) isn't mine—it belongs to Lončarić.
He is the linguistics authority here; I am certainly not.
Did you even bother reading his work on the Kajkavian dialect?

You keep lunging at me—being rude and trying to settle scores with imaginary enemies, as if you're trying to prove they're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Just take a breath, calm down, and go read the Forum.hr rules.
This forum isn't a place for bickering or for trying to prove how smart someone else is.
The whole point of a debate is to provide reasoned comments on the topic itself, not to attack the person you're talking to—which is exactly what you keep doing.
I’m seriously asking you to stop, just as I would ask the moderators to step in and address your behavior.
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I voted against the blades
In the meantime, I’ve gone ahead and requested a partial split on a few different subforums—life is good, though I really hope the mods aren't drowning in extra work because of me
That whole thing was just unbearable... I’m reading a book and trying to pull ideas from it, for crying out loud
where to be fast
Which book are we talking about?
Which page? Give me a source...
After five pages of this thread... still the same stuff... people losing points over low image resolution... hellooo, we aren't at Harvard here
You guys aren't my professors; I don't need this kind of scrutiny
I have my access to Library of Congress archives and my own books
You're irrelevant

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