feralwolf16 said:What about the people who are already on the blacklist at the gates? And you think that list won't just expand for the next game at Yankee Stadium if we hand over our data now? We’re eventually going to get to the point where they use vouchers for one season to ban the very people they want to keep out of the stadium. Or maybe they'll stretch it over a few rounds—honestly, I don't care. I just don't want to hear all this talk about "struggle," "resistance," and "ideals" when, in the end, everyone just happily accepts some garbage because it's packaged differently. If nothing else is working, why lead the people who actually stood by us (just eight vouchers) into a battle that we essentially surrendered before it even started?
P.s. I don't know, you've only known me since yesterday, so you don't know my take on the World Cup or the Euros... You know I've always had a bad taste in my mouth regarding big ideals when people regularly buy tickets through the federation. Aside from the federation itself, that whole thing ruined the national team for me long ago; it doesn't even exist in my life anymore. But fine, if this is the next step in the MLS, then fine. Talk all you want about how you're fighting, but just let regular people grab their vouchers and enjoy the game...
Do you realize that for every single game next year, they'll be asking for info? That's become the "norm" everywhere. It isn't even being done under any pretense of security to identify "troublemakers"; it's happening because soccer has turned into pure consumerism. I remember going to a local pickup game during the Euros two years ago, and I didn't give a damn what name or surname they had on record for me. You rent a movie at Blockbuster, you give your name. You grab gas at a Shell station, you give your name. This stuff is everyday life.
And now suddenly giving a name is the issue? Is the reason, of course, that blacklist?
If they—or rather, he—want to put us on a blacklist, do you and driftingfalcon88 really think they can't do that without having names and surnames on the tickets??
They can recognize the model and the number on an Adidas jacket easily enough.
What I meant was, once everything is forced through, we'll settle this in court because we have the power to do that. You can't settle this on the streets because the law is on our side this time, and it's constitutional. The time for these things will come very quickly, because as they say, no one stays on top forever.
ps. For driftingfalcon88 and those who bought tickets under someone else's name: in Iceland recently, a few of us couldn't get tickets because people were selling them ten minutes in and we were late, so we stood a bit ahead of the stadium. Once the crowd thinned out, they started checking names. Regular people, wearing baseball caps and stuff, bought tickets from scalpers just 50 meters from the entrance, and they wouldn't let them in because the names didn't match. And that was in freaking Iceland.
