Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

wearyraven25 said:You’re mixing apples and oranges.
Are we talking about using these lists and buying vouchers/tickets just to secure a spot on a blacklist?

I am talking about fighting against that blacklist.
The point is, nobody should hand over any data to anyone while these blacklists exist, while they aren't torn down, and while people in the stands who have no ban are being blocked from entry.

If we are being consistent, then we won't provide data, even if the Los Angeles Dodgers were playing in the Champions League final, and needed to scrape a point at Yankee Stadium in the final round to win the title.

Fine, that's your opinion.

Mine is that if they want to put you on a blacklist, they don't need you to buy a ticket for the game. They can do that much sooner and much more easily.
Look at how the 12th Man already has a blacklist, yet in all of history, no one has ever bought a ticket using their personal ID. Of course, except for those three girls and one guy from the South.
How does that make sense?
People were arrested for political reasons or for certain slogans, so they are probably on the blacklist. They didn't buy tickets under their own names either.
You're trying to say you can't stop them from putting someone on that list by refusing to buy a ticket in their own name.
Fighting the lists is unquestionable.

You're repeating yourself. Whatever. You guys are right—everyone for themselves, and so be it.

lonewolf53 said:And you're right about that. Honestly, every single thing they do just ends up playing right into their hands. 🤷

I’m not even talking about where things happen. There are plenty of issues that would actually hurt them, but we’re still just spinning our wheels here... honestly, the best move is to just send a message and make some noise like a real rebel.🤷

Thomas Castillo11 said:That’s a fair take, if that’s how you see it.

But my view is that if they really want to blacklist you, they don't even need to worry about whether you bought a ticket or not. They can make things difficult much sooner and much more easily than that.
I mean, look—how is it possible that the 12th Man already has a blacklist when nobody in history has ever actually used an ID to buy a ticket? Well, obviously except for those three girls and one guy from the South, but what happens down there anyway?
Excuse me?
Well, people were detained for right-wing stuff and extremist slogans, so they're probably on the blacklist. And they didn't use their IDs to buy tickets either.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't really stop them from putting someone on a list just by refusing to buy a ticket under your own name.
Fighting against blacklists is definitely important.

You're just going in circles. Honestly, everyone is just looking out for themselves here. It's just "me first" and whatever.

Back in a small town in Ohio, they were checking IDs at the entrance and everyone just handed them over without any trouble.🙄

Thomas Castillo11 said:Fine, that’s just your opinion.

But my take is if they actually want to blacklist you, they don't even need you to buy a ticket first. They can pull that off much sooner and way easier...
So how is it possible that the 12th Man already has a blacklist ready when nobody in history has ever bought a ticket using their ID? Well, obviously except for those three girls and one guy from LA, so what's happening down south?
Excuse me?

Which is why this whole thing is just pointless to me...

Look, friend, I agree with you that they can blacklist someone without needing them to use a voucher—they clearly have people logged and categorized by local chapters and fan groups, they know what they're doing—but I’m saying we need to focus our fight on the blacklists first, because once that's handled, the vouchers and the data collection won't even matter anymore...

Basically, we're back to the same problem: we haven't actually achieved anything if we just ignore the vouchers while they're still checking IDs at the gate, as long as those blacklists are still active...

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:just sitting under the east stands, row after row of nothingness... and then ninety minutes of absolute garbage for a match... what a joke.

It’d be even better if we sat under the west section...
or, say we take the east bleachers—split us up, half here and half there—so when four or five thousand people start chanting those insults at the top of their lungs... man, I live for moments like that...

Personalized ticketing is going to become an inevitability; there’s just no dodging it. It’s essentially the price we pay for the country's rapid development across the board and this intense push to align ourselves more closely with Western standards and their institutional systems.
We ought to be focusing our energy on different battles. Vouchers aren't the same thing as having your name printed on a ticket; vouchers represent a fundamental violation of human rights—it's nothing less than stripping away people's freedom of movement.
Now, look, lists of restrictions exist in pretty much every nation, so that part isn't avoidable either. As someone pointed out once before, the window to fight against the very existence of such lists has already closed. The real fight, the one that actually matters, is against the specific methods used to compile those lists in the first place.

lonewolf53 said:Back in my hometown, they just asked for IDs at the entrance and everyone handed them over without a second thought. 🙄

Look, maybe don't chime in if you don't really get what's going on here.
At the stadium, the security guard just gives your ID a quick glance to see if you're on the banned list, right? But this Sunday? They aren't just looking at your info—they’re actually going to be typing it straight into the system. So, I guess don't act all surprised next time if you find yourself stuck on that list.

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:just a bunch of rags lined up under the east stand... what a damn joke of a ninety minutes...

So what? Even if we make noise, then what happens after the final whistle blows? What actually changes? You really think some suit in the D.C. government is going to listen to our whining? Honestly, nobody gives a damn what we think... this whole mess can only be dismantled in court, and that's about it. By the time the season wraps up, everyone involved will be on a blacklist. Someone mentioned how they’re going to stop the crowds from showing up to the stadium? As if that's even an issue—besides that, they can use those kinds of restrictions to stir up trouble way more easily. And once people are actually inside the stadium and the police start making arrests... well, everyone just stands there quietly watching your buddy get hauled away. 🙄

Look, there’s a clear distinction between receiving a voucher and handing over your personal data just to get a ticket, but if providing that info ultimately lands you on some blacklist, I don't see why anyone would bother showing up to the game at all. 🤷 Until this gets sorted out legally, we should be boycotting and making our voices heard... if we’re looking for a truce and want to stand together in the stands, why can't we all just gather at Times Square instead?

wearyraven25 said:Look, man, I agree that they can just blacklist you. Even if you didn't use a voucher to buy tickets, they have people on record, categorized by branch or group. They know how to do their jobs. My point is that we need to focus our fight on those blacklists first. Once that's handled, the whole issue with vouchers and handing over personal data becomes irrelevant.

So we're back to the same point: nothing changes if we ignore the vouchers while still giving up our ID at the gate, as long as those blacklists exist.

I completely understand where you're coming from.

We agree on 90% of this. We just disagree on this one specific thing, and that's that.
In my opinion, having my name printed on a ticket doesn't change anything in the end. There are countless ways they can track me down besides printing a name on some hit list.

Whatever Zachary Carter53 says, I've been trying to make this point for ten posts now. This can only be settled in court, nowhere else.

Sophia Rodriguez95 said:Look, I get the distinction between a voucher and handing over your personal info just to get a ticket, but if providing that data ends up landing you on some blacklist, why even bother showing up to the game? 🤷 Until there's a legal resolution, we should be boycotting and making our voices heard. If we want a truce and intend to stand together in the stands, why can't we all just gather at Times Square instead?

would have a much bigger impact

It all boils down to two things, really...
-Personalized tickets aren't just allowed, they're actually going to be mandatory for every single club starting next season. It’s happening.
-Those vouchers and "blacklists"? Total nonsense. They aren't legal and have absolutely zero basis in US law. Period.

So, go ahead and decide for yourselves what you're actually fighting against...

Ryan Chavez3 said:Wait, hold on—do you actually have to be a New York Yankees member just to get into the bleachers?

It’s not even mentioned on the official "New York Yankees" website or anything.

*The bleachers are downstairs$10.

*Tickets go on sale this Thursday and stay available through Saturday, daily from 10 AM to 6 PM. If you're buying them at the stadium on game day, sales start at 9 AM.

Seriously, they need to clear this up and tell us exactly where to go, because a ton of people have already grabbed their tickets.
By the way, if anyone's wondering how the whole ticket purchase thing works (buying directly from the source)
-you gotta bring your own ID with you
-for every extra ticket you want, you need to bring an ID or a photocopy or even just a picture of the ID
Then the lady at the window checks if the names match the "official list," and if they aren't on there, you're out of luck—no tickets for you.

The plans are already set... nobody’s going to be posting the details on here, obviously. If anyone actually cares enough to find out, they'll figure it out soon enough... (and I don't mean you personally)

Jeffrey Jones58 said:It really boils down to just two main things
-personalized ticketing isn't just perfectly legal—starting next season, it’s actually going to be mandatory for every single club in the league
-those vouchers and "blacklists" aren't legal at all, and they don't have any actual legal standing whatsoever

so, now it's up to you all to decide what you're actually fighting against...

The real issue here is what these "blacklists" even consist of—who is actually on them in the first place? It’s not even about whether they’re illegal—though I suspect they are—but rather the fact that you never truly know the criteria used to land someone on such a list. For all we know, those lists might only contain people with official bans, or perhaps they target "troublemaker" fans, or maybe they're just a total mess of random names, you know?

We need to watch out for these police sting operations and the crackdown happening over at the pork farms. We’ll have to play this smart and stay calm if we want to pull this off. I don't particularly enjoy the idea, but I suppose those few journalists—the ones who actually have some backbone and integrity—could be useful. Maybe we can leverage them to get first-hand reporting out there, just so enough people see what's actually going down and they can't start a media frenzy against us. Especially at the main entrance, where I think we really need to push through, even if they try to block our way.

Jeffrey Jones58 said:It really boils down to just two things:
-personalized ticketing isn't just legal—starting next season, it’ll actually be mandatory for every club in Major League Soccer.
-those vouchers and "blacklists"? They aren't legal, and they don't have any actual basis in law.

So, you decide which side you're actually fighting for...

So, after pages and pages of rambling, the whole point gets distilled into just two sentences. Pretty efficient, I guess.👍

It truly is remarkable how some people possess such a singular, dedicated talent for ruining absolutely everything they touch, isn't it? 🤦
I sincerely pray to God that you all end up covered in nothing but your own personalized, nasty spittle, you absolute bottom-feeders.

TO THE WORLD!

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EVERYONE IS INVITED—AND WE MEAN EVERYONE!

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Guest23 As I have stated previously—and I do hope this finally sinks in—there is an undeniable, almost exhausting pattern emerging here. It is all quite predictable, really. One looks at the current state of affairs and sees nothing but the same old cycles repeating themselves—a weary loop of incompetence and misplaced optimism that defines so much of our modern landscape. It’s frankly exhausting to witness.
It’s perfectly logical—in fact, that was my very first instinct when this whole situation started unfolding. Why on earth would you hand the police a head start? It’s sheer madness to go broadcasting your every move to them at the drop of a hat.

You have to actually empathize with the position of those fans who are willing to do whatever it takes just to get through the gates—people who aren't necessarily looking to occupy a specific section where two different supporter groups might end up clashing, nor can they simply pivot to the South or West stands. For folks like that, this level of sheer confusion and the blatant lack of clear information creates a genuine sense of unease.

I apologize if I come across as a complete outsider here—and please forgive me if I’ve overlooked some of the arguments already laid out against this idea—but why is nobody discussing the possibility of The Boys taking over the North Stand while the Torcida Supporters Group occupies the East? We can sit around talking about solidarity and drafting some polite little agreement to ensure everything goes off without a hitch, but let’s be brutally honest: that setup would be a total powder keg. Despite whatever diplomatic nonsense people want to push, we really ought to be striving to keep these factions on entirely separate stands.

Go ahead then—run north if you’re that terrified... though there’s really no reason to be. This whole mess isn't going to happen—it's nothing more than a desperate attempt at solidarity against the mafia.