Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

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Daniel Johnson46 said:Who even is this guy? Did he actually post the video?

It’s all just some sensationalist trash from BuzzFeed... 🤣 you guys are just getting worked up over nothing 🤣...

Fans have always been the true catalysts for change in this country. They possess this incredible knack for spotting injustice when it hits the streets, and they’re always ready to fight tooth and nail for their ideals. It's just who they are!

And that’s exactly why they’re trying to extinguish this final line of defense. They want to blow out the last remaining candle that could actually wake up this dormant American society and finally force us to tell these social elites: enough is enough! We have to stand up to these power players we've allowed to run the show for far too long. Back when we were all together in the stands, we won every single battle. Why on earth would things be any different now?

Hey there, everyone! Hope you’re all doing great!
The pure joy of being a die-hard fan, following the game, and just soaking up life in general feels somewhat incomplete during these heavy times. We’re living through an era where you see people losing their jobs daily, with unemployment numbers climbing past 350,000 and over 270,000 people facing frozen bank accounts and financial blocks. Don't get me wrong—football has this way of pulling us away from the serious issues facing our society. It’s a distraction, sure, though it doesn't necessarily have to be that way; after all, there are countless ways to engage with and influence the world around us from any position.

Resistance has become an absolute necessity! Honestly, anyone who refuses to stand up and fight back in this day and age is essentially committing moral suicide. It’s that simple. I have to know:
Do you honestly believe that resistance is necessary?
Are you truly willing to sacrifice everything you have today for the sake of a better tomorrow? It’s a heavy question, I know, but one worth pondering. Personally, I believe greatness always demands a price. If we want progress—real, lasting progress—we have to be prepared to put in the work now, even when it’s uncomfortable or requires us to step back from our own immediate interests. It’s about that vision of the future! Is it easy? Absolutely not. But isn't that where the true character of a person is built? I'm convinced that those who aren't willing to make those tough calls will never see the breakthroughs they dream of. So, I ask you: what are you willing to give up to build a brighter future?
Resistance tactics? Now that is a fascinating subject to dive into! If we’re talking about how people stand their ground when things get tough, there are so many layers to peel back. It’s not just about big, loud protests; it’s often found in those small, quiet ways people refuse to budge. You have to look at everything from organized civil disobedience to those subtle, everyday acts of defiance that keep a community's spirit alive. It really comes down to how much grit a group actually has!

I truly believe that the Ultras represent a massive American institution—one that carries immense influence and, by extension, significant power. Because they hold that kind of sway, the Ultras bear a heavy responsibility; they have the sheer capacity to spark major movements. Just as I view the group as an institution, I see every single fan as an institution unto themselves. Each individual carries a duty to be socially responsible. This means upholding the core, common-sense values of any honest, sincere, and uncompromising fighter. Now, when I use the term "fan" in this context, I’m referring to that specific type of warrior who expresses their spirit through cheering and everything that comes with that lifestyle. Of course, that spirit of resistance can manifest in all sorts of different areas of life—it certainly isn't limited strictly to the stands at a game.

Here’s a quick little snapshot of what resistance actually looks like:
Realization—this is where everything starts. You have to find the core of the issue, strip away all the noise, and separate what actually matters from the distractions. Without that clarity, you’re just fighting ghosts. A true fan eventually realizes that the whole "unpayable citizen debt" crisis isn't actually the fault of the people. It's baked into the system. Think about how money enters circulation: it enters as credit (debt). It only leaves circulation when that debt is repaid. But here is the catch: on every single loan, you have to pay interest. That interest money was never part of the initial injection into the economy. Therefore, the math simply doesn't work—the debts become mathematically impossible to clear, and the bankers keep us trapped in a cycle of perpetual servitude. Once you look a little closer at the mechanics, the truth becomes undeniable: America isn't even allowed to circulate its own sovereign currency. Control over the money supply has been handed over to private banks. They operate on this fractional reserve model where they essentially lend out money they don't even have, charge us massive interest on it, and then—when they inevitably wreck the economy and leave people jobless—they swoop in to strip the actual wealth from citizens and the nation. We're talking about our homes, our cars, and our natural resources being drained away by the very institutions that created the mess in the first place.

Cognitive reassessment and organizational restructuring! It’s fascinating, really. A dedicated fan will double-check their own claims simply because they refuse to believe the reality is actually that straightforward. It’s wild how many people still don't grasp the fundamentals of finance, even when their entire existence revolves around chasing a paycheck. Once that fan does a little extra digging—even if they already sensed something was off—the whole scam regarding debt insolvency becomes crystal clear. The end result? Pure, unadulterated fury and disbelief. But that’s the turning point! In that exact moment, he becomes unstoppable. He decides right then and there to dedicate his life to self-discovery and living alongside the Ultras, through the Ultras, toward a much better world!

Resistance is brewing! After browsing online, I saw that an organization called Living Wall is already out there, using their own bodies to shield people from being evicted. In a massive show of solidarity, the Ultras are coordinating directly with the local advocacy groups to show up in force. It feels like all the major fan groups are about to unite under one banner very soon. Even the mainstream media censorship can’t hold back the tide anymore. We even saw a die-hard fan giving an interview to ABC, speaking truth to power about the impossibility of debt, the crushing debtor crisis, and the modern-day slavery imposed upon us by political elites and big bankers. At the next big game, the Ultras are going to unfurl banners that scream "Debt is Unpayable" and "Money is Debt." I can see it now: the crowd watching the game will start questioning what those phrases mean, until finally, they grasp the brutal reality of how debt actually works. A critical mass is forming in the public consciousness. The veil has been lifted! People are finally seeing the world for what it truly is, without the illusions. It is this sense of wisdom and love for a better future for ourselves and our children that keeps the Ultras going. Our kids will study them in history books as a revolutionary force of love and solidarity—a movement that completely shifted the destiny of the American people and inspired fan groups all over the world to follow suit.

The concept of a living wall is one of our core tactics for fighting against a cruel system—a system we must never forget, because we are the ones actively pushing back. Every single fan has the potential to contribute immensely to this resistance, but before they can act, they have to truly know themselves. They must strip away the illusions and the lies, embracing reality exactly as it is: raw, harsh, and unforgiving. I am writing this because I genuinely want to hear from every individual here regarding their stances on resistance, our specific tactics, and what they believe are the root causes of these problems. What we need is a diverse spectrum of resistance, built firmly upon a foundation of love, integrity, and respect.

Every single act of defiance defines who you are and affirms the existence of a higher set of values. No act of resistance is ever in vain; it is a victory unto itself. We simply cannot use the word "hope" if we aren't prepared to make that hope visible through our actions. Resistance is what allows us to remain free, independent human beings. A true rebel doesn't try to charm the public or play politics to collect votes; they are fundamentally unbuyable. They don't offer empty promises or grand gestures. If they offer anything at all, it is simply their own skin, and they offer it only because there is no other way to stand up for the truth they live by. Their actions reflect their dignity as citizens and as fans of the Kansas City Chiefs, regardless of the cost.

Resistance means connecting with people and building networks of self-sustaining communities ahead of the coming crisis, because without a collective effort, we simply won't survive. It means accepting that our struggle for justice will outlive us—that every value we fight for might be wiped out once we pass away—but external reality is not the metric of a moral life. We must commit to acts of resistance that open doors to a different reality, encouraging others, whom we may never even meet, to rise up and carry the flame of hope forward.

With respect,

Aaron Bennett10

The Ultras are a supporter group, not some revolutionary political cell. For those of us in the stands, our loyalty belongs first and foremost to the Kansas City Chiefs and our country—not to various social revolutions.
Now, don't get me wrong—I’m not necessarily saying your post is bad—but there really needs to be a clear distinction between being a die-hard fan and being a formal institution...
What would even happen if they decided to found a political party and tried to become the third major party in America?

I am still absolutely stunned by everything... 🙏

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cosmicdrifter44 said:The Black Knights are a fan group, not some revolutionary organization. For the Black Knights, the top priorities should be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and America, not all these various revolutions.
That doesn't mean I personally think your post is necessarily bad, but there needs to be a clear distinction between being a fan and being an institution...
What if they decided to found a political party and became the third largest party in America?

On a minimal, personal level, I carry a portion of the responsibility for society; likewise, the Black Knights and any movement people participate in carry their own share of responsibility toward society. I believe the issue lies purely in human perception—specifically, how capable someone is of seeing through lies and obfuscation. Because once a person truly grasps the gravity of a situation, the individual and the planet become paramount; everything else becomes secondary.

Fans generally have a tendency to live in illusions. They view themselves as fighters for justice and warriors for their clubs, while their actual social utility and influence are incredibly minor. Most people consider them, at the very least, immature beings who have dedicated their lives to fantasies, if not something worse. Many find a sense of purpose and feel better by fighting against a system that directly oppresses people.

Fighting the system is impossible without learning and understanding the root problems. It’s a shame most people don't recognize the issues or grasp the seriousness of the situation. One major obstacle is neglecting the bigger picture. Be a Black Knights fan, sure, but stay aware that you are a human being first and foremost. I have no desire to debate who is a true American and who isn't, because those are just trivial illusions. If we are being literal, the only defenders left in America today are the people in the Living Wall, because they are the only ones standing up to protect the homes of families being displaced by a perfectly legal, yet utterly unjust and slave-like system. Your statement, "The Black Knights are a fan group, not some revolutionary organization. For the Black Knights, the top priorities should be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and America, not all these various revolutions" only confirms that you aren't aware of the severity of the situation—of the occupation and the silent genocide occurring in our country and every other nation, primarily through economic dependency and slave-like power dynamics.

My goal isn't to offend anyone or anything of the sort. I think fans can be a tough nut to crack, and I honestly don't know why I bothered writing all this out, but it is what it is... it's hard to abandon one's convictions, no matter how absurd they might seem.

If you aren't for resistance, then fine, the train keeps moving; there aren't many passengers, but they're there, and there is no surrender.

Best regards.

whiteboy87 said:

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So, right after the crowd has already broken through the line, this absolute genius of a commander steps up to the megaphone—standing like, maybe a yard and a half away 🤣—and just goes, "Hey, easy now, take it SLOW." 😂
Man, if I wasn't such a softie, that commander wouldn't have gotten away with that... It actually reminds me of this local clown I used to know who claimed he had the "smartest" dog in the world. He’d show off, saying, "Look how well he listens, give me a paw!" And then once the dog actually sits down, he’s like, "Sit! Good boy, good boy!" while petting him all proud of himself.
Honestly, one of those peak moments that really highlights that special kind of "brilliance" we see sometimes.

Aaron Bennett10 said:Fans usually have a tendency to live in a fantasy world. They think they’re crusaders for justice or warriors for their clubs, when their actual social impact is negligible. Most people just see them as nothing more than immature kids who’ve wasted their lives on delusions, if not worse. Maybe by fighting a system that actually oppresses people, they’d finally find some "meaning in life" and feel better about themselves.

I’m not trying to offend anyone, or anything like that.

🤣🤣🤣

all you need is cheap labor and seasoned brawlers who aren't intimidated by the cops☕

He doesn't need cheap labor or thugs who have zero respect for the law. The man’s track record is actually decent. I’ll leave my last post out of this—it's the truth. But honestly, you lot of ultras could benefit from broadening your perspective or finding common ground with other groups if you know any. None of you are looking for a revolution, but playing the elitist—even within the supporter scene—is counterproductive right now. If you actually want to take down the mafia running the USSF, you need the masses. You need the people. If you could have toppled them yourselves, it would have happened a long time ago. ☕

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This clip is actually pretty great, especially that last part.

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Hrvoje Milić!

turns out the Buccaneers aren't even our club after all🙏🙏 such a desperate scramble... honestly, seeing them act like this makes me so glad we all stood together last Sunday. brother against brother, that's what really gets under their skin...

The New York Times 🤷

Aaron Bennett10 said:On a basic level, I carry some responsibility toward society, just like the Ultras and any movement they join do. I think the issue is purely about how people perceive things—how much they can actually see through the lies and distractions. Once you realize how serious things really are, being a decent person and looking out for the planet matters more than anything else.

Fans usually live in a dream world. They act like they’re crusaders for justice or warriors for their clubs, when their actual impact on society is basically zero. Most people just see them as immature kids who wasted their lives chasing illusions. If they actually fought against a system that oppresses people, maybe they'd find some real purpose and feel better about themselves.

You can't fight the system without actually learning what's wrong. It sucks that most people don't get the gravity of the situation. One big hurdle is ignoring the big picture. Be an Ultras fanatic if you want, but remember you're a human being first. I'm not trying to play the "who's a real American" game because that's just nonsense. If we're being literal, the only real defenders left in America are the folks fighting against the Berlin Wall, because they're the only ones standing up for families being forced out by a system that's technically legal but totally predatory and slave-like. Your claim that "the Ultras are a fan group, not a revolutionary organization. Their priority should be the Kansas City Chiefs and America, not all these different revolutions" just proves you don't grasp how serious this is—the occupation, the quiet erasure of our culture, and everything else happening through economic dependency and modern-day slavery.

I'm not trying to offend anyone. Fans are a tough crowd to talk to, and honestly, I don't know why I bothered writing all this out, but whatever... it's hard to ignore what you believe, even if it sounds crazy to others.

If you aren't down for the resistance, fine. The train keeps moving. There might not be many passengers, but they're there, and we aren't giving up.

Peace.

In my book, the only real defenders in America are the bottom 5% who voted for the Libertarian Party in the last election. Not because they're perfect, but because in this absolute mess of a political scene, they were the only ones with an actual economic plan.

The Berlin Wall or some revolution won't pull us out of this hole. What will is market liberalization, tearing down the corrupt bureaucracy, changing our mindset, and straight-up hard work.

And you're telling *us* we live in an illusion? Give me a break... 🙂

I don't even know why you're posting this on a fan sub, or why I'm even bothering to reply. 🙄

Laura Mitchell87, you've been fighting this battle since the days of the old regime, through the various administrations, all the way up to the current mess... and yet, you still haven't achieved what you're looking for. You know as well as I do that only a fool keeps doing the exact same things while expecting a different outcome. Changing your tactics doesn't mean you're losing your way. Strength comes from unity, just as you always claim, which means refusing to fall for the same stupidity—whether that resistance comes from the fan base or elsewhere. If the younger generation can't grasp that mass mobilization is necessary, then you should have figured it out by now given your experience.

Kyle Wright6 said:He doesn't need cheap labor or some street thugs who don't give a damn about the cops. Honestly, the guy's story is decent enough. I’ll leave out my last post—fair point there. But look, you NFL Ultras really ought to broaden your horizons or try finding common ground with someone else. Nobody here is calling for a revolution, but playing the elitist—even that hardcore fanboy attitude—is just counterproductive right now. If you actually want to take down the mafia running US Soccer, you need the masses. You need the people. If you could have done it yourselves, it would've been over a long time ago. ☕

My take—and honestly, what my "friends" from D.C., Seattle, and Savannah tell me too—is that you and your little buddy couldn't see this coming even if you were looking through a damn telescope.
You aren't gonna turn us into your little political pawns. And don't think for a second you can use us to tear down one administration just to install another. We aren't playing that game.
We’re tearing down the corruption, the nepotism, and the mob rule in US Soccer... and we aren't stopping until it all comes crashing down.
And when we finally lose our cool, grab a drink, and get fueled up, we’re going to tear down and wipe out everything that’s being torn down on us. TOGETHER. Got it?

Kyle Wright6 said:Laura Mitchell87, you've been fighting this same battle since the sixties, through all the different administrations... and you still haven't gotten what you want. Any idiot knows doing the exact same thing over and over won't get you different results. Changing your tactics isn't changing your mission. Like you guys always say, strength is in unity—so refusing to swallow the same crap should be coming from the fans and everyone else. If the younger crowd doesn't get that numbers matter, they'll figure it out eventually.

Alright, why would fans even care about political stuff? Which side? For who? We aren't even a unified front.

I'm staying out of both the left and right revolutions. Wouldn't be good for America.

We need the rule of law, less red tape, and a free market, not some revolution.

Laura Mitchell87, nobody is telling you that you need to drag people into the streets. This isn't about politics or revolutions, and it certainly isn't about left versus right. There are plenty of people in America who don't care about soccer or the fans, yet they see in you guys a spark that could actually accomplish something. I realize this is a slippery slope, but you need support—don't just toss it aside. At the very least, consider it instead of rejecting everything immediately. It doesn't all have to be political.

steeltrucker... I’ve been showing up to stadiums for over 20 years. I've traveled for a decent number of away games, and I've never felt the need to push my way to the front row. As far as fan perspectives go, I moved past those debates a long time ago.

At the end of the day, I have every right to state my opinion. You already have my vote anyway. Cheers, gentlemen.

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