Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

electriccanyon15 said:Look, after getting pretty frustrated listening to all this back-and-forth about the MLS Supporters Groups and Funcut on this forum, I decided to sit down and write out my actual thoughts. Honestly, I'm not even sure where to start:

I’m saying this without any desire to stir the pot. My only goal here is to get at least one person from every camp to really step back and think about what we are actually fighting for:

1. This entire struggle is directed at the US Soccer Federation and those various leaders who are trying to dismantle the whole scene as quickly as they can.
2. That scene belongs to a massive variety of groups: the MLS Supporters Groups, the hardcore fans, the different local factions, and so on.
3. Any agreement made between these groups has to apply to EVERY single one of them, because this is a fight against a common enemy—referring back to point number one.
4. If one group breaks our non-aggression pact or fails to stand together against the voucher system, it puts all the other groups in an impossible position. It becomes incredibly hard to maintain a "friendly" relationship with that specific group when, in the heat of the moment, the collective anger of the crowd starts looking like a mistake.
5. When that happens, it jeopardizes the entire movement because the aggression and hatred between our own groups could escalate to a dangerous new level.
6. That would essentially hand the US Soccer Federation and the corrupt administration everything they want on a silver platter. They'd see that the vouchers are the perfect way to wreck the scene, giving them an excuse to implement even more restrictions or cause more chaos while we just end up cannibalizing ourselves.

At the end of the day, I find myself wondering why groups like the MLS Supporters Groups in places like San Diego or those Funcut types elsewhere would even take that kind of risk... and as I mentioned at the start, I don't mean to provoke anyone by saying this.
BUT, shouldn't the leadership of these "serious" organizations have things under control? Or is the crowd within these groups just mindless and shortsighted, only seeing immediate, small-scale gains instead of the big picture?

Please, just take a second to reflect on what I'm saying and let's all cool off a bit. If this kind of nonsense keeps happening, our internal structure is going to fall apart completely—and honestly, that is exactly what the people in charge are hoping for.

Signing off, through and through...

electriccanyon15 said:So, since all this drama about the MLS Supporters Groups and Funcut on this forum really rubbed me the wrong way, I decided to write down my thoughts... though I'm not really sure where to put them:

Now, I’m saying this without trying to start anything, I guess. I just want to nudge at least one person from each side to actually think about what we're even fighting for here:

1. This whole fight is against the US Soccer Federation and those leaders who'd rather wreck the scene than fix it.
2. That scene includes a ton of different groups: the MLS Supporters Groups, the various local crews, etc.
3. Any agreement made between these groups applies to EVERYONE, because we're up against a common enemy—see point number 1.
4. If one group breaks the pact about not attacking others or fighting against the voucher system, it puts everyone else in a spot where it's hard to stay "friendly" with them... I mean, when people get heated and angry, things can go south fast.
5. And that just puts this whole movement at risk, because if aggression and hate between our own groups starts rising, it's bad news.
6. It would basically give the US Soccer Federation and the corrupt officials exactly what they want—proof that vouchers are the only way to ruin the scene. They'll just use it to justify more rules or stir up more trouble while our own groups end up cannibalizing each other.

At the end of the day, I find myself wondering why groups like the MLS Supporters Groups in San Diego or the Funcut guys in the South would even take that kind of risk... and like I said at the start, I'm not trying to provoke anyone.
BUT, don't the leaders of these "serious" groups actually have things under control? Or is the crowd in these groups just totally out of touch or acting mindless, only seeing short-term gains?!?!

Just please, think about what I'm saying and maybe chill out a bit... because if this kind of nonsense keeps happening, our whole internal system is heading for a total collapse. And honestly, that's exactly what the higher-ups want.

Exactly. Like, do some people seriously think away games are open just by accident or because we "won" against the voucher thing?

Doesn't all this misinformation swirling around on forums and Facebook regarding who violated what rules actually end up doing more harm than good...? The real short-term win here is that no single supporters group acted as a monolith to grab those vouchers, nor did the clubs force the issue upon us, so the true victory lies in the fact that every single fan was able to get into any section of the stadium that wasn't restricted by those damn vouchers!
The core issue, if you ask me, is that every local precinct and every individual club seems to be operating under their own separate set of rules, which honestly just leaves the entire fan community completely bewildered as to who gave an inch, who stood their ground, or who accepted or rejected certain terms... it's total chaos!
What truly matters is that all the groups managed to enter the stadiums at every match without needing those vouchers, but if you want my honest opinion, the real danger—something far more sinister than a simple voucher—is the looming threat of blacklists!
Until we deal with that, I suppose people will just keep venting online, arguing over who did what, when they did it, and pointing fingers at who is most to blame for this whole mess...
But, thank goodness, I highly doubt the leadership of the various groups are the ones posting this nonsense, because judging by how they've been coordinating and showing up together across different cities lately, they still seem to be very much in contact and acting in unison...
vaučer kru 87

cosmictinker46 said:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I find these clips hilarious, just a couple of guys drinking beer like there are 1,000 people at the stadium...

And when you say "hilarious," you actually mean they're just stupid.
this one guy is acting tough, he just hasn't started barking yet.

It’s honestly such a shame that we don't see songs like this being sung much anymore, you know? You know, the kind where people actually take their time and pour all that raw emotion into every single note...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZE-IpRBEek

Frank Sanchez37 said:It’s a shame we don't write songs like this anymore—slow, soulful, and actually carrying some weight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZE-IpRBEek

In my book, these two are still our finest anthems. Some people might skip "If You Don't Stand Up," but personally, these tracks hit home harder than anything else, especially given how things are looking lately.

The link to that second letter isn't working; which one is it?

The link is broken—it’s got a double http://http//

By the way, if you don't become 😉

Daniel Johnson46 said:In my book, these two are our best anthems. Some people aren't fans of "If You Don't Become," but these tracks are number one for me, especially with everything going on lately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUKZ...e_gdata_player

Chills. For me, this is the most emotional stuff I've heard at a game in years.

Dana Richardson89 said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUKZ...e_gdata_player

Man, talk about legendary cheering... honestly, that was probably the most emotional I've felt sitting in the stands since I started going to games here.

So, this was actually the very last home game at our stadium for the season, and during those final ten or fifteen minutes, they started singing this song, and I swear, even though we weren't packed, the atmosphere made it feel like there were twenty thousand people there. It was just incredible, really.🙂

http://s29.postimg.org/sp4xa12fr/loko_1.jpg
I suppose we should finally address this—the sheer, unadulterated chaos currently unfolding within the organization. It’s almost impressive, if you have a certain dark sense of humor about these things.http://s21.postimg.org/c6rpj94p3/loko_2.jpg
Maybe I'm being too harsh—though, honestly, I doubt it—but looking at how things are being handled lately, it feels like we're just watching a slow-motion train wreck.http://s29.postimg.org/sud9xfz4n/loko_3.jpg
It's the same old story, isn't it? A complete lack of direction, a few misguided attempts at fixing things, and then... well, nothing. Just more of the same.http://s3.postimg.org/s31wnej0z/loko_4.jpg

Dana Richardson89 said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUKZ...e_gdata_player

That kind of energy stays with you. Personally, it’s been my most emotional experience since I started going to games.

Yeah, that match was pure madness. This is what life is about, regardless of where Indianapolis stands or how the final round plays out.

But the pace compared to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_xC4EP8zPc
is just insane. 😁

We basically butchered every single song by rushing through them...

wearyraven25 said:We completely botched every single song by rushing through them.

Man, without a drum to follow, we really should have signaled before starting a song just to make things easier...🙂

haha, Blažic really took an L there...😁

wearyraven25 said:We ruined every single anthem by speeding them up.

Some might think this is a joke, but why are we singing faster than ever? It’s simple. The stands are mostly on stimulants and soda these days, whereas back in the day, people were actually hitting the hard stuff.

It would have been a clever little scheme, wouldn't it? Sending this letter straight to the Red Army... first, they'd just lay low, keeping things quiet while the tablets were being sorted out, and then, once they faced off against Portland, they'd ramp up the intensity way too fast.

Ronald Hayes4 said:The strategy would be to direct this chant toward the Red Army; they’d start slow, maybe just setting the mood, and then ramp up the intensity during the match against Portland.

I disagree, because the Red Army serves their purpose best when they ignite the stands and push the players on the pitch, and if you want that emotional connection to actually land, the tempo needs to stay steady and deliberate; I recall how slow the pace was during the game against the Roma, and it was necessary to maintain that feeling.

You’ve got a point there... I honestly think they had greatness running through their veins back then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NTU...e_gdata_player It’s enough to make anyone feel a bit bitter, isn't it?