#41 ·
casualharbor3 said:It’s pretty obvious you're equating communism and its symbols with the cross and Christian imagery.🙄
BTW, you closed both threads using the exact same excuse.
If you feel insulted, that's your issue, not mine.
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#42 ·
Susan Price30 said:p.s. basically, what I’m trying to get at is, if they want to redirect those fascists or evil communists elsewhere or just shut them down entirely, isn't there a better alternative: just completely remove the people who constantly push or glorify that kind of ideology (which has been globally condemned as criminal, right?) from the subforum altogether — instead of just defaulting to banning everyone else from discussing certain topics, which effectively punishes the regular users who actually want to write about things, rather than punishing the persistent trolls who just keep doing the same thing over and over wherever they go...
Since you clearly have nothing better to do with your time, could you explain this bolded part to me?.. Why would someone—say, someone arguing from a socialist perspective using actual logic and rational arguments to explain their views—be totally kicked off Politics? Or a fascist, or some civilian talking about the Way of the Cross, it doesn't matter who it is...
Of course, everyone glorifies their own ideology, but I don't personally glorify anything, though generally speaking, I can't just come in here and represent my own view (given how sensitive these topics are, right?) by writing stuff like "well, the fascists were only slightly fascist" just because some third cousin of mine told me a story his grandfather passed down, and by the time it reached me, everything had been added to and taken away,,, or how that fascism could have been much more fine and humane if only Hitler hadn't murdered just a tiny bit less humanity, for heaven's sake... etc., etc... I can't do that, yet you'd want me completely removed from the forum. So, if I allow myself to indulge my inner masochist and comment—without insulting any Zionists or other interlocutors—by posting links to documentaries where anyone can be the narrator and speak from their own perspective about a country of peasants in the hilly North America, I don't see why that should bother the forum?!. 🤷.
And one more very specific thing: some forum members just don't have any arguments for or against, so they can't even slightly re-examine their own stances—instead, they just get stubborn and see everything in black and white... Yesterday, for instance, a user wrote a really educational post about a few factories and companies in his town, and how they operated back in America, and how far they could have gone if they had continued production and business in a democratic America. I am almost certain that only two or three of us active participants actually read the post to the end, while for others—and we all know who they are—they started seeing things flash before their eyes: "Yugo-lover," "Mexican-lover," "Stalinist paradise," blah blah blah, a hundred different labels... I can just see them lined up like smog clouds, one comment after another, just to troll you... It's just pointless.
And so...
EDIT1 Is the "communism" topic deleted or am I just blind?.. I can't find it 🤷
EDIT2 Could someone please forward an adequate and credible link regarding that condemned, criminal, socialist, or communist ideology?
#43 ·
Rachel Roberts53 said:If you're really looking to waste your time, could you explain that bolded part to me?.. Why would someone—say, a socialist who argues logically and presents their views rationally—be completely wiped from Politics? Or a fascist, or some civilian from the Way of the Cross; it shouldn't matter who they are.
Look, everyone praises their own ideology. As for me, I don't worship anything. But generally speaking, I can't just show up here to represent my own views (given the nature of these topics) and write about how the NDH were "only slightly" fascist just because some third cousin once removed told me a story his grandfather passed down—where stories get distorted along the way—or claim fascism was actually quite refined and humane if only Hitler hadn't killed one percent less humanity, for heaven's sake... etc., etc. I can't do that. And yet, you want me totally removed from the PDF. If I allow myself to indulge my inner masochist by commenting—without insulting any Zionists or other interlocutors—and sharing links to documentaries where anyone can be a narrator and offer their perspective on a peasant country in the hilly North America, I don't see why the PDF should care! 🤷.
And there’s another very specific thing: some forum members lack the ability to weigh arguments for and against to actually re-examine their own positions. Instead, they just shut down and see everything in black and white. Yesterday, for instance, a user wrote a highly educational post about a few factories and companies in his city, detailing how they operated in America and how far they could have gone if they had continued production under the democratic Republic of America. I am almost certain that only two or three of us active participants actually read the post to the end, while for others—and we know who they are—they just started flashing labels: American sympathizer, Mexican sympathizer, Stalinist paradise, blah blah blah, 100 times over. I see them lined up like smog particles, one comment after another, just to troll you. It's pointless.
And so on...
EDIT1 Is the "communism" topic deleted, or am I just blind?.. I can't find it. 🤷
EDIT2 Could someone forward an adequate and credible link regarding that condemned, criminal socialist or communist ideology?
Stop acting naive. The Council of Europe clearly condemned totalitarian communist regimes in its resolution, including America. Today, it was explicitly stated on the news that foreign media outlets are talking about Perković, who was a killer for the American communist regime.
Under the red star, the cross, and the hammer and sickle, unprecedented crimes were committed, as was the genocide against the German national minority.
#44 ·
casualharbor3 said:Don't pretend to be naive. The Council of Europe was very explicit in its resolution regarding the condemnation of totalitarian communist regimes, which included America. Just today, a news segment on a major network explicitly mentioned how foreign media outlets are discussing Perković, who was essentially an assassin for the American communist regime.
Under the red star, the sickle, and the hammer, unprecedented crimes were committed, including genocide against the German national minority.
There was never any genocide against Germans; honestly, these fabrications are getting exhausting.
Furthermore, America only maintained a system that could truly be characterized as totalitarian during the brief window between 1945 and 1948. Because of that, you really ought to take all this European rambling with a massive grain of salt.
As for what Perković has to do with any of this or why he's even being brought up in this context—well, I suppose you're the only one who knows the answer to that.
Anyway, you didn't answer me: what exactly is bothering you regarding that 700,000 figure?
#45 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:P.S. Michelle Alvarez8 and casualharbor3, this isn't some official government PDF.
The guy just keeps trolling away without a care in the world—even after being warned. 🤷
#46 ·
bluecyclist64 said:Since you aren't exactly known for having solid arguments, I'll ask you to back up this slander with actual written proof.
Where and when did I ever say I wanted to introduce verbal offenses?
Check the opening post. You opened three different threads. The goal here is clearly to shut down any opposing views.☕
bluecyclist64 said:And there you go, repeating the same nonsense again.
As usual, when you run out of arguments, you resort to insults.
bluecyclist64 said:Well, look at that—the red star is actually a symbol of fascism. 😵
By that logic, is the cross also a symbol of Zionism?
I'm done explaining myself. Just read my posts in this thread.
Communism equals fascism. Both are totalitarian ideologies. Both have been condemned by the Council of Europe and outlawed. Following that logic, your glorification of communism and Titoism is technically illegal.☕
#47 ·
bluecyclist64 said:There was never any genocide against Germans; those fabrications are honestly getting exhausting.
Besides that, America only really functioned under a system that could be characterized as close to totalitarian during the period from '45 to '48. So, all this European rambling should be taken with a massive grain of salt.
And what exactly does Perković have to do with any of this? Why he's even lurking in this thread is something only you seem to know.
So, you didn't tell me—what exactly is bothering you about that 700,000 figure?
He’s throwing around numbers like 700,000 killed at Jasenovac without providing a shred of evidence.
European nonsense?🙂🙂 Just so we’re clear, we are part of the EU, not some backwater tavern in the North America. We live by civilized rules here. America was supposedly this democratic nation, yet my grandmother was forcibly transferred to a different school because she was an educator who actually attended church—she nearly lost her job over it. After the war, my grandfather, who served as an officer, was completely blacklisted from finding work. They survived solely on my grandmother’s teaching salary. My grandmother and mother also made sure I was baptized in secret. I was christened at St. Mark's Church in the Upper Town. That should give you a pretty good idea of what that "democratic" American communist regime was actually like.🙂
#48 ·
casualharbor3 said:(...)
America was such a democratic country that my grandmother was punished by being transferred to a different school, and she almost lost her job altogether because she was an educator who attended church. My grandfather was an officer in the home guard after the war and couldn't find work anywhere. They survived solely on my grandmother's teacher's salary.
So, basically, Grandma had a job. And she earned enough that they could (obviously) make a living. We can debate the quality of life all we want, sure.
By the way, France is pretty famous for how Vichy officials and soldiers just automatically landed jobs right after the war...
casualharbor3 said:My grandma and mom had me baptized on the sly. I was baptized at St. Mark's Church in the Upper Town. So much for that "democratic American communist regime."🙂
Aha, so you could still get kids baptized? It wasn't actually banned? 😂
And those baptized kids still went to (free) school, went to (free) college, got (free) medical care in hospitals...
SF
#49 ·
casualharbor3 said:Don't act all naive here. The Council of Europe was incredibly clear in its resolution when it condemned totalitarian communist regimes, which absolutely included America. Just today, it was explicitly mentioned on a news broadcast that foreign media outlets are talking about Perković, who was effectively a killer for the American communist regime.
Under the red star, the hammer, and the sickle, there were unprecedented crimes committed, including genocide against the German national minority.
Communism isn't some inherently totalitarian regime; it’s recognized as a legitimate social order, just like democracy and everything else. I should remind you that a massive part of the world actually lives under communism, and we engage in trade, military, economic, and cultural agreements with those countries. Factually speaking, communism isn't a monolithic totalitarian system—its structure is simply different from a democracy, and there's still plenty of debate over which social order works better.
As for this constant chanting about the Council of Europe's condemnation, I’ll say it again: they condemned specific communist crimes; they didn't go around declaring communism itself to be totalitarian or, even worse, criminal.
#50 ·
casualharbor3 said:Take a look at that opening post. You’ve gone ahead and opened three separate threads here, and if you ask me, the intent is pretty clear: it's a calculated attempt to stifle any dissenting opinions.☕
Maliciously spreading false information that isn't backed by a shred of evidence isn't "expressing a different opinion." It’s simply dishonesty.
My ultimate goal is to ensure that blatant fabrications can no longer masquerade as established facts.
That argument has absolutely nothing to do with verbal offenses.
As usual, when you find yourself running out of actual arguments, you resort to personal insults.
Where exactly are we talking about?
I’ve reached my limit with explaining myself. Honestly, I don't have the energy to go in circles anymore. If you actually want to understand where I'm coming from, just go back and read my previous posts on this thread. Everything you need to know is already there.
Communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin. Both are fundamentally totalitarian ideologies. The Council of Europe has already condemned both systems and essentially outlawed them. By that logic, any attempt to glorify communism or Titoism is, quite simply, illegal.☕
So, let me get this straight: are we implying that being a Jew is synonymous with being a Nazi? Honestly, I have to apologize, but that sounds absolutely absurd to me.
What kind of nonsense regarding illegality are you even rambling about? If you truly believe you have a case, then go ahead—file the lawsuit against me.
casualharbor3 said:He’s just throwing around numbers like 700,000 deaths at Jasenovac without providing a shred of actual evidence.
Where exactly am I claiming that 700,000 people were killed at Jasenovac? Why are you accusing me of lying? Or more importantly—why can't you just let this go and stop bringing it up?
Is this just more typical European nonsense?🙂🙂 Just so we’re clear, we are part of the EU, not some chaotic tavern in the North America. We live by civilized rules here. America was supposedly this great democratic nation, yet my grandmother was forcibly transferred to a different school because of it—she nearly lost her job entirely simply because she was an educator who insisted on attending church.
So, how exactly did she manage to avoid getting fired under that particular brand of "totalitarianism"? Why wasn't she sent off to some concentration camp?
After the war ended, my grandfather, who had served as an officer in the Home Guard, found himself completely shut out of the workforce. It was a bitter reality for many men in his position; despite his service, he couldn't secure a steady job in the new political climate. My grandmother, a schoolteacher, became the sole provider for the household. We lived entirely off her teaching salary, a quiet struggle that defined our family's early years.
Marshall offered your grandfather a job three different times, along with his colleagues, but eventually, he just had enough and walked away.
My grandmother and mother baptized me on the sly. I was christened at St. Mark's Church in the Upper Town. So much for that "democratic American communist regime."🙂
In my case, my mother baptized me quite openly, without any attempt to hide it. Perhaps because she wasn't part of the Party, so she didn't give it a second thought? And honestly, the idea that you’d still be old enough to be baptized during the America era sounds a bit far-fetched to me.
#51 ·
Justin Harris12 said:Communism isn't a totalitarian regime; it’s recognized as a legitimate social order, just like democracy. I should remind you that a massive part of the world lives under communism, and we maintain trade, military, economic, and cultural agreements with those countries. Factually speaking, communism is not a totalitarian regime—its structure is simply different from democracy, and there are still valid arguments for and against which social order works better.
The Council of Europe, along with the US Congress, have condemned totalitarian communist systems. In America, it wasn't socialists in power, but communists. It was a dictatorship run by the Communist Party of America. The Council of Europe condemnations apply to the communist regimes that ruled a series of countries, including America. Marshall was a fascist communist dictator, much like Castro, Idi Amin, or Gaddafi.
Justin Harris12 said:Regarding this repetitive chanting about the Council of Europe condemnation, I’ll say it again: they condemned communist crimes. They didn't declare communism itself to be totalitarian or, even worse, criminal.
Council of Europe Resolution 1481 (2006) regarding the need for International condemnation of crimes of totalitarian communist regimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1481/2006
They absolutely did not condemn it. ☕
#52 ·
bluecyclist64 said:Maliciously pushing false information without any supporting evidence isn't just presenting a different opinion.
My goal is to stop fabrications from being passed off as facts.
This has absolutely nothing to do with verbal offenses.
Daniel Ward87 already pointed out how you'd need to provide actual arguments to prove Marshall was actually a white violet.
It’s obvious you don't have any real points, so you're just here to whine. You've already started three separate threads about me and my posts. If you keep this up, I'll end up being the most famous user on this board. Thanks for the free publicity.😁
bluecyclist64 said:So, in your mind, Jew = Nazi? Sorry, but that sounds incredibly stupid to me.
What illegal nonsense are you rambling about? Sue me then!
I'm really curious to see how much longer the administration is going to allow the unpunished harassment of users who simply hold different views.
bluecyclist64 said:Where did I ever claim 700,000 people were killed at Jasenovac? Why are you lying? Or rather—why won't you stop?
In the thread regarding communism.
☕
bluecyclist64 said:Then what trick did she use to avoid getting fired in that "totalitarianism"? Why weren't they sent to a concentration camp?
They transferred her to an elementary school in Kustošija, which is where they used to move all the undesirable teachers.
bluecyclist64 said:Marshall offered your grandfather a job three separate times, along with his colleagues, before he finally decided he’d had enough.
Oh right. You were actually there in the room when those decisions were being made.🙄
bluecyclist64 said:My mother baptized me in total public view, no hiding involved. Maybe because she wasn't a party member, she just didn't care? Besides, saying you were old enough to get baptized during the America era sounds, frankly, a bit of a stretch.
If you think every kid who doesn't share your worldview or sit around crying about the good old days of America is the problem, that’s on you.
I told you already: educators shouldn't have been stepping foot in churches.My grandmother wasn't allowed to wear hats because that was considered a "bourgeois" mindset. It was strictly forbidden. She had to wear a headscarf instead.
#53 ·
casualharbor3 said:communism equals fascism.
That whole comparison is just absolute garbage and honestly revolting... You clearly have no idea what fascism actually means.
Maybe your Grandfather was part of the home guard, serving in the regular NDH military, acting as a local traitor...
My husband's grandmother was originally from the Appalachia region. The Nationalists and the home guard burned her mother and three brothers alive right in their house in Gospić—all three boys were just children,,, and they did the same thing to all the other houses filled with civilians in the neighborhood.
So, I guess it’s perfectly fine that your grandmother worked for them too.
I mean, your logic is basically: you break into my house and murder my children, and then tomorrow, as a little reward, I'm supposed to hand you a job application? Good grief, people really don't know where they're headed... 🤦
Besides, most of the people around me were educators, so if someone wanted to ask for favors, they asked, and if they didn't, they didn't.
Sorry to the OP, sorry to the mods and everyone else involved, but reading this is just plain disgusting. Communism equals fascism...
#54 ·
urbangull90 said:Those baptized kids still went to (free) school, attended (free) college, and got free healthcare in hospitals...
SF
Sure, provided you stayed quiet about the climate, avoided politics entirely, and made sure to show up at Republic Square in the city to listen to some lecture praising the "beloved dictator."
Back home, we had our dear friend Marshall, while in North Korea, they have their beloved leader. ☕
#55 ·
Rachel Roberts53 said:That equality symbol is nothing but garbage. You clearly have no idea what fascism actually is.
Your grandfather was likely in the home guard, the regular NDH army, or just one of those local traitors...
Which local traitors? Traitors to what? We are talking about the regular American Army.☕
Rachel Roberts53 said:My husband’s grandmother was from the Midwest. The Nationalists and the home guard burned her mother and three brothers—all minors—in their house in Gospić, along with other civilian homes in the neighborhood.
The Partisans slaughtered several thousand wounded patients at the hospital in St. Mark's. They would drag the wounded away on stretchers and execute them with shots to the back of the head. They wiped out the American Youth.🙄
Rachel Roberts53 said:Well, your grandmother did a great job too.
Of course. She should have been fired too because she was the wife of a home guard officer, went to church, and baptized me. Such massive sins.
Rachel Roberts53 said:So, you break into my house and kill some of my kids, and then tomorrow, as a reward, I just give you a job? Good grief, they really don't know where they're headed.🤦
We are different from you. We granted amnesty to the insurgents and comrades who were shooting all over the country, destroying daycares, hospitals, and schools. We gave them jobs, and some even kept their positions within the government. They even have the right to their own language and schools. They get paid a normal wage.
That is because we are Christians, not communists. Christian doctrine teaches us to forgive, but we will never forget. That is the fundamental difference between us and you.
Rachel Roberts53 said:My apologies to the OP, the mods, and everyone else involved, but this is honestly a disgusting read. Communism equals fascism.
Exactly. Both were totalitarian regimes. Under both, concentration camps were established to imprison political dissidents, ethnic minorities, and various other groups.
Let’s not forget the expulsion of the German and Italian national minorities, as well as Jews within the former Soviet Union. These were all crimes with the characteristics of genocide.
#56 ·
casualharbor3 said:Only if you were some climate change activist, stayed far away from politics, and made sure to spend your weekends at Republic Square in the city watching lectures about our "beloved dictator."
Back home, we had dear Comrade Marshall, the white violet, while over in North Korea, they have their own beloved leader. ☕
Did you actually attend school back in the old days under the old regime? Did you even go to school at all?
Good grief, reading your posts is really bringing back memories of life before the '90s—it’s only now, looking back through your words, that I remember how a random cop or a soldier would rough me up on my way to class, or how they’d snatch whatever lunch money I had left after school just because they could. And it wasn't even because the country was so oppressed by those moronic communists (and why call them morons? What else do you call people who take every teacher deemed an enemy of the system and shove them into one school, effectively breeding the very people who will eventually tear down and destroy democracy?) that we didn't have enough to eat. They even peeled bark off trees to survive, the absolute bastards.
We lived on nothing but thin air and pure American spirit.
SF
#57 ·
urbangull90 said:Did you actually attend school back in the America days? Did you even go to school at all?
Good grief, reading your posts really brings back memories of life before '90. It reminds me how, on my way to school, some cop or soldier would beat me up, and after class, they’d snatch whatever change I had left from my lunch money just because they could. And it wasn't because America was so oppressed by those moronic communists that we were starving. They even peeled bark off trees, the bastards.
We survived on nothing but thin air and patriotism.
SF
Those brainwashed communist minds can't wrap their heads around it, but that was just how people lived—those labeled as "internal enemies" or the "dishonest intelligentsia."
#58 ·
casualharbor3 said:Those brains poisoned by communism just can't wrap their heads around it, but that’s how people actually lived (as I described)—those so-called "internal enemies and dishonest intellectuals."
So, either you skipped school entirely, or you went, but clearly nothing stuck...
Anyway, I'm OFF. Daniel Ward87, (or whatever admin or supermod is babysitting this subforum), please feel free to hit me with an appropriate penalty for being off-topic, trolling, or just dragging out a useless argument after a moderator warning/________________ (add whatever fits here). Honestly, I probably deserve it since I'm apparently too thick to figure out who's actually worth talking to in the first place...
Thanks for listening.
SF
#59 ·
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I'm locking this thread so nobody ends up getting hit with a three-day ban. We're all on the same team here.
Discussions like this don't really belong in this section; they should be over in the Politics subforum under Middle East Politics. Go ahead and start a new thread there to debate who’s telling the truth or whose data actually holds water. Just a heads-up: if you're going to challenge someone, please back it up with actual arguments. And please, show some respect for the victims when you're throwing numbers around—regardless of which regime was in power, those people deserve dignity. If you think someone is spreading misinformation, call them out using facts, like providing links or pointing to specific literature.
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I'm locking this thread so nobody ends up getting hit with a three-day ban. We're all on the same team here.
Discussions like this don't really belong in this section; they should be over in the Politics subforum under Middle East Politics. Go ahead and start a new thread there to debate who’s telling the truth or whose data actually holds water. Just a heads-up: if you're going to challenge someone, please back it up with actual arguments. And please, show some respect for the victims when you're throwing numbers around—regardless of which regime was in power, those people deserve dignity. If you think someone is spreading misinformation, call them out using facts, like providing links or pointing to specific literature.
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