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Formal Complaint Against Admin Team - Specific Evidence and Claims

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Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
716 messages
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#1 ·
In accordance with the card-key-threat-partial management policy of our "kind" administration, from the very top comes a public call to present—and I am quoting here—"concrete evidence and claims" regarding the administration's performance.

A full list of all concrete evidence and claims concerning what we have witnessed lately in the way this administration operates would easily exceed the maximum character limit for a single post—so, I think it is much better to select one exemplary instance that perfectly (r)eveals the current state of affairs in how this forum is managed.

To be specific, a certain "long-term" (I assume technical, though it hardly matters) administrator has recently appeared on the Admin Forum and has begun trolling everyone in sight. This individual approaches forum participation with an attitude reminiscent of "the forum as it used to be," essentially doing whatever he pleases and writing whatever he wants. However, the issue is that if 90% of his posts here were written by some "ordinary mortal"—by any chance—they would be sanctioned with the entire spectrum of penalties that the current kind administration is increasingly and rather nervously waving around. (For instance, off-topic cards are flying at a completely benign and, until now, peaceful thread about "Blue Paw," and that too during an off-topic discussion *about* "Blue Paw.")

On the other hand, over at AxMi, every single absurdity goes unpunished: everything from elementary trolling and chatter to directing dissatisfied users toward another forum (which is actually one of the reasons why the current kind administration inherited its predecessor, the unkind) all the way up to direct insults toward interlocutors ("don't bullshit me").

So, what is our kind administration doing to make this stop? Nothing, of course. Actually, my apologies: perhaps they are trying to do something, but without any success whatsoever. Or, let me correct myself again: what truly stands out as being beyond the pale is being deleted (presumably so no one saw it, presumably so no one noticed), while everything else is simply left alone. I see nothing, I hear nothing—nothing is happening, nothing is happening...

Why is this a problem? It is quite simple: the fact that the administration has been unable for so long to ensure that one of its own administrators—that is, someone from their team—stops engaging in the exact behaviors for which ordinary forum members receive sanctions and threads get locked, (r)eveals the true state of the administration's reputation, credibility, competence, and ability to resolve issues. This is especially true in situations where they lack the absolute brute force advantage of issuing cards, bans, partial suspensions, or those ingenious plans involving inventing clones or orchestrating collective strategies behind the curtain... which they clearly possess when dealing with ordinary users. Administrator AxMi has, entirely unintentionally, shown us what things really look like "when the sun hides behind a cloud."

He has demonstrated that the actual strength of the current kind administration lies exclusively in the application of blunt, raw force—specifically where that force can be applied.

Those were the claims—the following are the proofs—and these are drawn exclusively from the Admin Forum, which is unique and particularly seriously moderated and serves, to quote, "to make the forum better and more polite" (not to mention that the majority of quotes come from humiliated "Questions for the Admin Forum," which was zealously scrubbed of trolling and off-topic remarks).

slycrane94 said:Maybe you should chill out a bit with the demands, and especially with that "poor me, nobody loves us, wahhh wahhh" routine. You're starting to drag in Jews who have a similar modus operandi.

(Jews have a "modus operandi"?!—users have had hate speech cards thrown at them instantly for far less than that.)
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Look, if you're going to be this incredibly sensitive about everything—especially when, by some stroke of pure coincidence, it involves your specific religion why don't you just head over to some other forum where everyone thinks exactly like you do and enjoy yourself there.

(honestly, this is one of the primary reasons why the old administration was replaced by the current one)
slycrane94 said:I'm not an admin involved in high-level policy making, so frankly, I couldn't care less about that.

I’d prefer it if people didn't label those of us with a common cold as "sick people" either. It sounds terribly distasteful to me, and honestly, it leaves me feeling quite depressed.

(as a response to the request not to call believers "sick people")
How about this instead? Since apparently large images are such a massive grievance that they aren't allowed? Does that make you feel better now?

Problem solved.

(part of the response regarding image size restrictions)
I'm 13 years old. But I am exceptionally gifted and mature, so I practically pass for 15.

Gifted in all three PMs.

El Niño for the admin, the president, and basically God himself!

We are such a modern forum—and oh, how eco-conscious we are, using nothing but green energy. The little problem arises when the sun goes down or the wind stops blowing and we run out of power.

It would have been nicer to treat people like you with the same courtesy.

Oh, give me a break. You’re acting like you’re some kind of saint. If you’re going to be this incredibly sensitive about a little bit of profanity here and there, then maybe just move to America—people there practically live to act all high and mighty.

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Oh, excuse me, I’m just a little girl who would *love* to sit around answering polls.

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Let me repeat myself: all of these quotes are pulled directly from the PŽK—not from some informal, casual chat thread.

You all asked for concrete evidence and specific claims regarding the appeal against the administration's conduct? Well, here is your concrete evidence and your claims.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
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joined Apr 2011
#2 ·
Nicholas King said:On the flip side, when it comes to AxMi, it feels like every little rule-breaking moment just slides right by without any consequences:

Look, an admin can't exactly discipline another admin, and that's the same deal for us regarding AxMi. Unless we decide to shut down a specific discussion thread entirely, the only real tool we have at our disposal is occasionally deleting his redundant posts—it’s pretty much the only technical way we can step in.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
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#3 ·
I’m going to quote myself this time—and I’ll be using a little bit of **bold** for emphasis:
Nicholas King Asks:
It’s honestly baffling—and frankly, a bit exhausting—that the administration hasn't been able to reach a consensus for this long regarding one of the administrators... you know, someone from the "Admin Forum" side of things. I mean, I guess it’s just how they operate, but it really makes you wonder about the efficiency of the whole setup. It feels like we're constantly waiting for a decision that should have been made weeks ago, though maybe I'm being too hard on them—but then again, when you look at the delays, it's hard not to feel a certain level of frustration.Their teams—if you can even call them that—are a complete mess.Everything we’ve worked so hard to build—all that effort that usually gets regular users slapped with sanctions or results in their threads being nuked by the mods—is just going to stop working. I guess it’s all becoming pretty much pointless if they can just shut everything down at any moment. This really just highlights the actual state of affairs regarding the reputation, credibility, and sheer competence—or lack thereof—of the administration. It shows their ability to actually resolve an issue when they aren't sitting on an absolute powerhouse advantage—you know, when they can't just fall back on the usual tactics of mass banning, partial suspensions, or those "genius" schemes involving creating clone accounts and trying to force some kind of collective strategy onto everyone. Behind the curtain.... what kind of leverage they actually hold when it comes to settling scores with the average guy on the forums. I guess Administrator AxMi—completely unintentionally, I suppose—has just given us a perfect demonstration of what actually happens when things start to go south and the lights go out.
northerncyclist2 northerncyclist2 Active Member
89 messages
joined Jan 2016
#4 ·
It’s already been a full month since I flagged those broken hosted smileys to the Admin Forum. The response from the admins was just to pull 🤦 smileys entirely, supposedly to "force" the owner and the tech team to actually deal with the issue (at least, that's how they explained it to me). On top of that, AxMi has messaged me privately a few times saying he's basically dragging the technical staff along by the sleeve and promising that "it'll be sorted out soon." But honestly, it's been a month now, and the tech team hasn't lifted a finger, let alone bothered to post a single word here. It really makes you wonder if they even exist.

Meh, I’m not exactly expecting a real answer. rustydrifter10 will probably just show up and say, "I'll pass the request along, but there's nothing else I can do." Just great.

Here's another thing: some users access the forum through the Tapatalk app because there isn't a dedicated mobile version. The forum officially supports Tapatalk, but the problem is that the Tapatalk module on the site is so outdated that it causes constant issues. Because of this, Tapatalk users end up getting targeted by moderation all the time. And the official response? "Use Tapatalk at your own risk." Well, why on earth does the forum support it then? Either drop support entirely, or deal with the fact that you can't update the Tapatalk module if you aren't capable of fixing native mobile support.
northerncyclist2 northerncyclist2 Active Member
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joined Jan 2016
#5 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Well, an admin can't really discipline another admin, and I guess we can't touch AxMi either. If a discussion gets shut down, sometimes his extra posts just get deleted, since that's basically the only way we can technically handle him.

I wonder how much you have to pay Anderlon to get a status like that? Honestly, I wouldn't mind being some kind of untouchable grizzly bear roaming through the Rockies where nobody could ever put me in time-out.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#6 ·
northerncyclist2 said:It’s already been a full month since I flagged those low-quality hosted smileys to the Admin Forum, and honestly, it feels like my message just vanished into thin air.

Meh, I’m honestly not holding my breath for a real answer here. I can already see rustydrifter10 showing up just to tell me, "I'll pass the inquiry along, but there's nothing more I can do." Oh, fantastic. Just great.

I honestly can't take on much more than this right now. I’ve received some guidance on how to move forward, but getting through it is going to take quite a bit of time—especially since my real-life schedule is absolutely slammed. My boss is constantly breathing down my neck, demanding more hours every single day, and on top of that, the administrative workload is just piling up. It's requiring a massive amount of energy lately, and frankly, I'm spread thin. Between stepping in to cover for a few moderators who are out on vacation, helping out with several PDFs, and keeping up with all my regular admin duties, I just don't have the bandwidth to prioritize the Facebook likes right now. It’ll get done once this crazy rush dies down, so please just bear with me! I really don't think it's such a huge deal if it waits a little while.

northerncyclist2 said:So, I’ve been noticing this thing lately where a bunch of folks are jumping onto the forum using the Tapatalk app just because we don't have a dedicated mobile site yet. Now, look, the forum officially supports Tapatalk, but that’s exactly where the headache starts. The Tapatalk module we’re running is ancient—like, seriously outdated—and it causes so many glitches and bugs that users end up constantly clashing with the moderation team. It’s frustrating to watch! The official line seems to be, "Hey, use Tapatalk at your own risk," but if that's the case, then why on earth does the forum even offer support for it in the first place? It feels like a total contradiction. Honestly, you guys should either just drop the support entirely so people know what they're getting into, or finally get around to updating that buggy module. If building a native mobile version is too much of a lift right now, at least fix the tools we already have so we aren't all tripping over ourselves every time we try to post from our phones!

Look, this really isn't on us. If we find out that someone actually broke a rule just because they were struggling with how this specific feature works, we’ll go ahead and pull the strike. We aren't the ones responsible for updating the system, so we can't be held accountable for technical glitches or outdated settings.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
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joined Apr 2011
#7 ·
northerncyclist2 said:I mean, seriously, how much do we have to pay Anderlon to get a status like that? Honestly, I wouldn't even mind being some untouchable outlaw in the middle of nowhere where nobody can lay a finger on me.

Look, if you've actually got ideas like that, just take them straight to him; don't come in here trying to troll the thread with this stuff.
northerncyclist2 northerncyclist2 Active Member
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#8 ·
rustydrifter10 said:It’s out of our hands. If we find out someone broke a rule just because this feature is glitchy or lacking, then yeah, we’ll pull the card. But updating the system? That’s not really on us.

I mean, I already asked if you could maybe get someone from technical support to jump into the Admin Forum, because right now, it feels like a total game of telephone 🙄

I know it isn't your fault personally, but honestly, the whole situation just feels pretty unprofessional.

P.S. I thought about reaching out to Anderlon directly, but I guess I have a feeling I wouldn't get much of a response, just looking at how much he seems to care about this forum lately. ☕
Justin Harris12 Justin Harris12 Member
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joined Feb 2013
#9 ·
Yeah, part of AxMi's response was aimed directly at me—or rather, at all Muslims and Jews collectively. I can't tell if he actually holds a grudge against both groups, but I didn't want to jump in the moment he typed it. He’s an admin, while I'm just some random user without any kind of backing. Honestly, it rubbed me the wrong way when he said that; he basically insulted both Jews and Muslims without any consequence and without any real reason behind it.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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joined Feb 2010
#10 ·
I’m totally with everything said here, plus I’d throw this in for good measure:

Alex Cook said:Seriously, quit whining. The ads on the forum are fine—they look decent and whatever.

I’ve been slapped with a ban for way stupider stuff than this.
coppersailor28 coppersailor28 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#11 ·
I find slycrane94's perspective to be a breath of fresh air—proof that things haven't completely fallen apart yet. It suggests that even at the "top levels," there are still people who refuse to hand out privileges based on an "emotional" attachment to some nonsense myth. Even if that privilege is merely the obligation of everyone else to respect the story—meaning, the refusal to call it what it actually is: stupidity that no reasonably sane person would ever entertain.

(The "half-moon" metaphor is just an analogy here)

Honestly, it’s hardly surprising that topics like "Why are Americans bad at science?" even exist.
If they are—though I won't get involved in that debate—where on earth are they supposed to find any interest in science? In elementary school, where religious studies are taught alongside everything else, or in high schools that follow suit? On the American internet, where kids read total nonsense thinking it was written by adults they should admire (and unfortunately, in many cases, they aren't wrong to think so). And on the American web, including sites like Reddit, the only "educational" approach seems to be punishing anyone who doesn't treat certain absurdities as sacred truths.
Growing up with a critical mind in an environment like that is nothing short of a miracle.
Morgan Carter Morgan Carter Member
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joined Feb 2013
#12 ·
This is how CUKA handles politics:

I am going to document several posts made by the user Cavo trol directed at other forum members. Some were aimed directly at me.
Once again, the guest is trying to lecture those who are hosting him.
How much longer, Morgan Carter?
Have you realized that you are a guest here?
If not, let me make it clear—you are a guest from Canada.

Therefore, he directs his comments toward me, an American of Canadian descent.

Second post:
It is a good thing those local converts left for Canada.
We saw the kind of chaos the Mexicans caused in America. All we need now is to have 10% jihadists in the country, and before we know it, they'll be blowing themselves up on a street corner in the middle of the season in the name of Allah.

There is nothing more to say. Simply wonderful.

It is better to prevent than to cure.
The first Mujo to blow himself up will cause irreparable damage.
That is why, in the near future, I envision a five-meter-high fence on the border... coated in lard.

Third post, where he refers to Canadians as mujams; and as you can see, he speaks quite "beautifully" about these mujams on the topic of Canada. He wants to install a five-meter fence and coat it in pig fat.

These kinds of things were washing over you twenty years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIdrqRST1Q
Now, it goes even deeper.

That is why we should start collecting pig fat for the fence right now.
You never know when these kinds of fools might cross the border and cause trouble. You can see he is being influenced by Afghan mujahideen and the Taliban.

How many supporters does this idiot have in Canada? 10,000? 1,000? 100?
Even 100 people like this could cause havoc here.

He continues in the exact same style. There was more of this, but some of it has been deleted.
To be clear, some of these posts are recent. They have all occurred within the last few days. The man hasn't received a single day of being banned, and I truly wonder how many warnings he has actually received. He hasn't written one coherent post. This is simply his way of conversing on this topic. It has nothing to do with the subject matter. He just enters the thread to insult, while CUKA remains completely indifferent.

Another user is wikiceha. He calls Canadians Turks. He puts quotation marks around "Canadians" as if they don't even exist..................

I could go on like this indefinitely. What I want to know is: how is it possible that after forty-five warnings regarding what is happening in that thread, the administration has failed to bother looking into the matter? And I am not the only one who has complained. We opened specific threads to address this, yet there is total indifference. Then, when someone finally responds to these idiots because the behavior is no longer tolerable, you end up being the one blamed and banned (with threats of a permanent ban just for daring to defend oneself), while they continue to write whatever they want until their posts eventually vanish, and that is that.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#13 ·
Finally started my own thread. \o/
After all this time, someone actually decided to take notice of me.

If you think I’m going to start sucking up to certain groups on this forum, you’re mistaken. It would only take one click from Anderlon to wipe me out, or he could just ban me if he feels like it. Honestly, I don't care. This forum isn't important enough to me for me to start playing nice just for the sake of political correctness.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
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#14 ·
slycrane94 said:Finally, I've got my own thread! \o/

Honestly, I hate to break it to you, but you don't.

You’ve completely misread the situation—you really have. In this particular thread, you're essentially irrelevant. We are talking about an indicator here, not some actual phenomenon.

Better luck next time, I suppose. 😢.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#15 ·
Justin Harris12 said:Yeah, part of AxMi's response was aimed at me—or rather, at all Muslims and Jews collectively. I don't know if he actually hates them, but I didn't want to respond when he posted that. He's an admin and I'm just a regular user with no real standing here. Honestly, it bothered me because he insulted both groups without any justification, and he got away with it.

Is that how things work in America? Does the truth hurt so much that you have to take offense? Constantly seeking protection from other people's opinions and demanding censorship for any criticism is a common trend these days, but that doesn't make it ethical or particularly civilized.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#16 ·
Nicholas King said:Sorry, you don't have it.

You’ve completely missed the point. You're basically irrelevant in this thread. It’s an indicator, not a phenomenon.

Better luck next time 😢.

I guess anything is better than nothing. Someone like you actually went through the effort to follow me and copy-paste my posts. How charming. It might have been more pleasant if you were a woman, but what can you do? Beggars can't be choosers.
Justin Harris12 Justin Harris12 Member
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#17 ·
slycrane94 said:Is that how the American principle works? That the truth hurts, so I'm taking offense? Constantly running for cover behind other people's opinions or demanding censorship to silence any form of criticism is a trendy way to act these days, but it doesn't make it any more ethical or civilized.

The truth hurts? You mean the "truth" about Muslims and Jews? 🤷
Look, I’m not asking you to kiss my ass, and I wasn't even specifically targeting you in this thread, but since you hold an admin position, I actually started out addressing you with formal respect—respect that you completely tossed aside after your third post. Your insinuations regarding all Muslims and Jews carry a different weight entirely; even if you claim you were speaking "off the record," it matters because you are a moderator.

As for your suggestion that I should just head over to some fundamentalist forum or leave this one if I don't like it, or your comment about how all Jews play the victim—I don't think I've given the impression in my own topic of being some fanatic or extreme religious zealot. An American news outlet that recently allowed the publication of those Muhammad caricatures and the insults directed at our prophets is truly failing when posts like yours continue to fuel interfaith hatred.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#18 ·
Justin Harris12 said:Does the truth hurt? Truth about Muslims and Jews? 🤷
I’m not asking you to kiss my ass, and I didn't even bring you into this thread, but since you're an admin, I actually showed you some respect at first. That respect vanished after your third post. Your insinuations against all Muslims and Jews—even if you claim you were speaking "unofficially"—carry a different weight because you hold a position of authority.

As for your suggestion that I go to some fundamentalist forum or leave this one if I don't like it, or your comment about how all Jews play the victim... I don't think I ever gave the impression in my own topic that I was some fanatical or extremist believer. An American news site that recently allowed caricatures of Muhammad and insults toward our prophets shouldn't be falling for posts like yours that just fuel interfaith hatred.

Who says only extremists demand protection from opinions they don't like? Catholics got the exact same response when they complained about the constant coverage of pedophilia within the Church.
It’s the same deal with Israel; any criticism of their actions is immediately branded as antisemitism.
Your approach is identical. You don't like someone's opinion, so you immediately hide behind religion, claiming it needs protection, and then try to get anyone without a specific viewpoint banned.

You can try selling those lines to someone else. I have no intention of following those standards.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
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#19 ·
slycrane94 said:Anderlon can delete my account with a single click, or just ban me if he feels like it—honestly, I don't care. This forum isn't important enough to me that I’d bother playing nice just for the sake of political correctness.

Let's revisit this during a more reasonable hour, regarding 🙂this issue.

The issue isn't about political (un)correctness, nor is the solution found in a single click from Anderlon. What we're actually seeing is three fundamentally opposing visions for the forum fighting for oxygen right now.

The first is "yours"— the way the forum used to be: unapologetically chaotic and irreverent, throwing whatever came to mind at everyone's face, full of trolling, baiting, labeling, and all that other nonsense, along with those inevitable "remember the good old days" style comments and people just swapping high-fives. In and of itself, the concept was fine, but it completely fails to account for how much the size of the community and its structure have changed in the meantime.

The second concept belonged to the previous administration— strict order, discipline, and "not on my watch!" And that concept, you guessed it, was also fine in theory, but it totally ignored the fact that there are now (far more than before) plenty of other places where people can satisfy their urge to write (and communicate), and they aren't exactly itching to come to this online space where such rigid discipline reigns supreme.

The third is what the current administration is doing. That can't even be called a "concept" in any serious sense, because a concept implies having a coherent direction—and the current leadership has, to begin with, completely forgotten that they were brought on specifically to give the forum a more human feel. Instead, they've gotten so lost in a whirlwind of their own inconsistencies, compensations, spin, and sweeping their own mess under the rug using every means available—from minor deceptions to clones and organized cliques... that even you, as a fellow administrator, don't even recognize them anymore. All of this happens alongside claims of massive workloads and the insistence that (presumably as a result of their work) the forum looks "significantly different than it did a few years ago"—though if I wanted to see "concrete evidence" for these significant changes, I'm still waiting—and now they're just nervously waving around warnings, partial bans, and digital keys...

So, it’s not really about Anderlon’s click or a ban—without a serious structural overhaul, there won't be any real change.

The reality is that the administration keeps claiming they are replacing departing users with even more new ones, and that traffic and clicks are increasing. Alexa doesn't necessarily agree with that, but that’s beside the point—the point is that, apparently, the boss thinks everything is just fine.

As long as things stay this way, this is what we get. It's not that I have any grand illusions, intentions, or battles to fight, nor do I have an agenda—I simply responded to the call for concrete evidence.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#20 ·
Nicholas King said:I'm going to quote myself here, just to add a little emphasis with some bolding:

Honestly, with some people you can get away with anything, and with others, even the smallest thing triggers a reaction. It’s just how it goes sometimes.

Morgan Carter said:So, what I'm trying to understand is how it's possible that after forty-five warnings about what's happening in this thread, you still haven't seen the point in actually looking into what's going on.


Look, if there's an official appeal open on the Admin Forum, then either a supermod or an admin has already looked into it, or they're about to. It's been explained a million times: hit the report button, and if nobody responds within 24 hours, then you escalate it further.

Nicholas King said:It seems like everything is perfectly fine according to the boss, I guess.

As long as that's the case, this is where we'll stay. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any grand illusions, no hidden agendas, and I'm certainly not looking for a fight—I simply responded because I was asked to provide concrete evidence.

Alright, then I guess we've settled this. 🤷

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