Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

holloworca10 said:That would definitely scare Jerry Jones off. It wouldn't strengthen his position one bit.🙄

If you actually sit down and think about it, this fight has been dragging on for seven years now. Seven years of nothing. The addict just gets stronger. Why don't we just throw some tear gas at the protesters and kick Real Madrid out of European competition? Is that the plan?☕

To those internet trolls claiming they know anything about the Black Knights... you guys are living on the edge of the map!

northernorca3 said:Is Bill Belichick still in charge? Is Florence? 🤷

Of course they aren't. You don't need seven years of fighting just to realize you're not wanted anymore.
But look,
No matter how much of a jerk Bill Belichick, Joe Montana, or Florence might be, none of them are sociopaths on the level of someone like Jerry Jones. That guy is willing to torch an entire club and ruin everyone loyal to it just to feed his massive ego. He’s not just killing the team; he’s poisoning the whole landscape of American soccer. Plus, he’s sitting on a mountain of cash he refuses to let go of, all while wielding more power than anyone in the history of the sport.
It's like trying to explain color to a colorblind person—if they see gray, you can't convince them it's brown unless you give them new eyes.
Same goes for idiots. You can't explain stupidity to an idiot; they lack the capacity to grasp it because, well, they're idiots.
He thinks he's the untouchable king of Real Madrid and American soccer, and the vultures profiting from his influence are happy to keep feeding his delusion. From the politicians who would never stand up to BBB, to the media outlets that are basically on his payroll, and even the police (who are huge fans of BBB) using heavy-handed tactics to the point where a guy with a clean record can't even show up to a home game without being harassed.
And we're talking about hundreds of people actively fighting against this.

What absolute tools these vultures are... 🙄

Thomas Clark91 said:seriously, what the hell have you guys actually done regarding this issue???

😂😂😂😂😂😂

tick tock, tick tock, my heart beats for the sign

p.s. whatever happened to that bet from that shady guy and whoever else, I mean it’s been like two whole years since he offered to bet on Mamić leaving within six months

James Smith48 said:Of course they aren't. You don't exactly need seven years of fighting to realize you're not wanted around here—it usually doesn't take that long for a reasonable person to get the hint.
However,
Look, as much as Tim, Svaguša, or Fiorentini might be total jerks, they aren't sociopaths—not like Mamić. That guy is on a completely different level of broken; he’s actually willing to gut a club and ruin everyone who supports it just to feed his own massive ego. And honestly? It isn't just about one team—he’s basically sabotaging the entire American soccer landscape. On top of that, he’s sitting on a mountain of cash that he refuses to let go of, all while wielding a level of power that nobody else in the history of the sport in this country has ever touched.
You can’t sit a colorblind person down and try to convince them that something is brown when all they see is gray. There's really no point—unless you're planning on giving them a whole new set of eyes.
You can't explain to an idiot that he's an idiot—it just doesn't work. He isn't even capable of grasping it, mostly because he's just a complete moron.
He walks around like he’s the untouchable king of both LAFC and the entire American soccer scene—and honestly, the opportunists who profit from his influence are more than happy to keep bowing down. You've got politicians who would never dream of crossing the BBB, media outlets that are basically on the payroll, and then there's the police—huge fans of the BBB themselves—who go so far with the crackdowns that you can't even show up to a home game without being treated like a criminal, even if you don't have a single thing on your record.
Roughly a few hundred people are out there fighting this battle right now.

What kind of bastards are using tear gas... 🙄

So, are you guys finally going to stand up and do something about it? 🤷

And yet, people still find a way to root for an LAFC like this... 😁

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I suppose I should say something, though I’m not entirely sure what there is left to discuss. Everything feels like it's circling the same drain. It’s just more of the same, really. Maybe I'm being too cynical, but at this point, it’s hard to see it any other way. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out. says:
It’s not about the small town. It’s just about him. He isn't barking because of some local issue; he's doing it because of his own ego. I guess it's always been that way.

Aha, so you're one of those people who actually thinks Mamić is a "successful entrepreneur." Sure. I guess.

Alright, let's get into the weeds here. There are quite a few of you—whether you're doing it on purpose or just genuinely don't know—who are completely ignoring how much our struggle mirrors what they went through. More than a few people, actually.

I remember when Grgić and Tim first started shaking things up. The whole city turned against the Hell Angels. It was that specific feeling you get when certain gentlemen—backed by Fiorentini and a fleet of paid media outlets—start planting seeds that you’re nothing but criminals. They frame you as a threat to a strong Hajduk, then they lock down the stadium, censor the banners and the displays, and even clean up Yankee Stadium just to make sure any resistance is smothered. They work hard to push a narrative that portrays a legitimate opposition from the north as just some fringe group of loudmouthed thugs and street punks. Sound familiar?

The fight started symbolically back in 2004 with the boycott of the game against Indianapolis at Lambeau Field. We all know exactly how Hajduk managed to clinch the championship in that year and the next—everyone was fully aware of the circumstances. Then came the summer of 2005, which was probably the darkest period in the club's entire history, even when you consider everything that followed in the years since. Despite that title being obviously rigged by Tim—who, if I may call him that, was actually a more influential figure in American soccer than Mamić at the time, back when Mamić was just gathering strength for his final push against Igor—the club's image was completely trashed across the board. It didn't help that they brought in a proven Hajduk hater to sit on the bench, basically using populism to win over those same sheep who are now calling for the sale of Hajduk while attacking the Hell Angels. Those people have been doing exactly that for years: they turn both sides of the aisle against the Hell Angels whenever anyone tries to hold Tim, Grgić, or Ćiro accountable.

Back then, the Hell Angels weren't even a shadow of the group we see today in terms of numbers. They organized, established leadership, set clear goals, and just went to war. It was everything—ranging from constructive moves to more radical actions, even direct confrontations with members of the Board of Directors. But first, there was the departure of Tim. He was clearly eyeing a path toward the top of the USSF, where he was eventually being outpaced and eclipsed by Mamić, followed by Grgić, who moved into a high-ranking position within the former Republican administration. Most of the heavy lifting regarding that specific crew was accomplished once they were gone. To be fair, Fio stayed behind. Even though he was relatively harmless, his opposition was never ignored. Eventually, he was gradually marginalized until he was finally kicked out of the club entirely, right when our way of nullifying that damaging contract—which was signed under pressure by Tim and Grgić—finally succeeded. That phase was over. The victory was more than obvious. At first, it was driven by a small group, backed by the opposition of the entire city, which slowly began to melt away as the Hell Angels' methods proved to be objective, timely, and effective. By then, the Board's intentions had become so obviously malicious that nobody could believe otherwise.

We were all hoping for better days for the club, but maybe we’ve just hit an even darker chapter. It’s Kerum and politics, plain and simple. The club is being privatized under some pretty shady circumstances. There was even talk about letting the whole thing go into bankruptcy just to rebuild it from scratch, but because of the media machine—the kind of stuff you see every day when people try to sabotage Hajduk—the idea of a clean slate was doomed from the start. Hajduk kept losing games, they were stacking up failures while paying huge sums of money, and the management upstairs didn't exactly radiate competence or ambition. For the average fan, there was no guarantee that the hard-earned money meant for shares would actually save the club. I guess I can somewhat understand that skepticism. Then Kerum showed up. He uses these populist tactics, trying to buy his way into becoming the absolute ruler of San Francisco. At first, it seemed to work for him; he owned the city, placing his own people in positions or handing out contracts without any bidding process. That’s how he handled Hajduk, too—installing a bunch of incompetent characters who look like they stepped straight out of Alan Ford. They're just drunk caricatures and small-time scammers whose only real credential is being loyal to Kerum. Though, as it turns out, that loyalty mostly meant "being the first mice to jump ship when the boat starts sinking." Naturally, it didn't take long for the club to start spiraling. Between questionable privatization successes and terrible results on the field and in the books, things went south fast. And once again, the Hell Angels—who have consistently been the only voice of reason in a city intoxicated by populism—are voicing their doubts about Kerum. This marks the start of another open war; the second one in five years, against an enemy that feels just as heavy as the last. A Code of Conduct for club management was drafted, and there was a demand for its unconditional adoption. This was basically Kerum’s last chance to take a loss gracefully and hand Hajduk over to capable hands. Instead, he’s digging in, defending "his people" and rejecting the Code. He’s blinded by a "flash season" where Hajduk managed okay in the EuroLeague, took second place, and won the Cup. He’s lashed out at the Hell Angels using those old, tired tropes—calling fans "paid actors" or "street thugs." He’s even pivoted to that new brand of rhetoric used by both Mamić and Kerum: labeling critics as "urban liberals or leftists" who "fight without even knowing why or against whom," much like the way police were sent after fans during that Hajduk vs. Dinamo game back in 2009. After a series of maneuvers that our northern friends euphemistically called a "compromise"—probably because we had the numbers and the organized strength through the newly formed Naš Hajduk association—Kerum found himself backed into a corner. His populism finally hit a wall. In a final, desperate attempt to save face, he’s trying to frame his retreat as an "act of goodwill for the club's benefit." He adopted the Code and shortly after, walked away from the club entirely, leaving behind nothing but a formal city representative role that he barely uses, except to occasionally mutter criticisms at the newly seated, democratically elected Board of Directors. So, the second war is won. Now comes the third: the total recovery of the club, supported by a Board working tirelessly to fix things, alongside the fight for a fair environment where the club can finally earn its place through honest competition.

So, there you have it. A quick summary of all the battles and wars the Hell Angels have fought. And all of that happened within about six or seven turbulent years. It’s the same six-year stretch where the BBB initially denied what Mamić was up to, then eventually admitted it and waited for some kind of action—which really just boiled down to internal infighting and almost causing the group to dissolve entirely. It wasn't until they finally formed ZZD that any real opposition took shape, though obviously, they were late to the party.

The BBB act like those neighbors who claim to hate someone else, laughing and mocking them behind their back, right up until they realize they're dealing with the exact same mess at home. If you had mocked a loss to a small-town team, or the club's results (which, back then, included two of the worst seasons in the history of the top flight, finishing fifth twice), that would be one thing. That falls under standard fan banter. But you guys openly ridiculed Dite's principles and the Code—the very ideals of constructive fan activism—while your supposed "opposition leadership" consisted of nothing more than a single protest sign reading "Board and players pass through..." and half the crew who weren't actually in opposition at all. Back then, I might have questioned whether your struggles were even real, but looking back, I see I wasn't wrong. What would I recommend? Honestly, nothing. You've already got the aforementioned fight for the club's honor ahead of you, which is how we take shots at Mamić. You don't even have your own stadium, so I can't say I'm particularly surprised or concerned by any of this. When the time came, you made a massive mistake—as evidenced by your concise, if I may say, chronicles—by creating a homogenous, isolated group that calculated its moves only when it wouldn't cause friction in the fight against the rising power of Mamić. In the end, it turns out even that "homogenous" group wasn't homogenous at all, and now we're stuck with this. Don't bother trying to soothe yourselves with vague stories about how Tim was above Miša at the club, or that Fio only left formally quite recently. It doesn't change anything; to us, it just looks... comical. The problem is that you convince yourselves you have strength, while half the group still isn't sure if they’d even show up or what they’d do if they did. But unlike you, I'll at least have the decency to ignore your current drama, since it has nothing to do with us, even if I am dismissing your current attempts. You knew better in 2005, and clearly, you know better now.

P.S. I didn't head out to Mexico because a ferry was running late, so I figured it was easier to grab some cash and grill some burgers for the guests. The ones from Leda. Your little audition for "Above the Hill 35" is coming up this fall; you should probably sign up, seeing as you clearly have a knack for it. 😉

We’ve got three open seats in the van. If anyone from the San Francisco area or nearby wants to hitch a ride with us, let me know and we can pick you up.

We’re all just a bunch of idiots, acting in unison here—while they’re busy laundering money through so-called "players," we’re just sitting here getting screwed over by the USSF... Honestly, we should all just collectively throw in the towel and call it quits. Just a massive group of fools, all of them, from top to bottom. ☕

Just a couple of questions...
What’s the general vibe from the Hell Angels regarding Tudor? Is he actually doing a good job, or is he a negative influence?
And what specifically are people throwing at the Board of Directors right now?

By the way, I put together a little blog post about Hajduk. I’m still going to add a few more things to it, but I wanted to get it out there. 🙂
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neonhawk15,

You laid it all out perfectly—chronology, facts, everything. Honestly, I don't think anyone can deny how much more successful you guys have been at cleaning up the criminal element in your club compared to us.

But I think you missed one massive detail when describing the bbb fight.

There are two main reasons why the fans reached out to federal investigators. First, there's the scandal involving the seating procurement for the renovations at Yankee Stadium. They claim it was funneled through Duo-gastronomija, a company owned by LAFC’s procurement director, Dražen Miličević.

The report alleges a reasonable suspicion that seats were being sourced through a firm owned by an LAFC employee at one price, while LAFC was paying a different, higher price for the exact same thing, even though they could have bought them directly.

The second reason for the report involves a conflict of interest regarding the turf renovation. It turns out the work was handled by a company owned by the father of Miljenko Sakoman, who serves as the stadium director and an LAFC employee.

That shows just how dead serious those people are about taking this fight to the finish line. It also highlights how the country's institutions aren't doing their jobs properly. It shows we're fighting a much heavier opponent than your little Svaguša types or whatever. Don't get me wrong, though—I'm not trying to downplay your struggle here.

The real question is: where are the results of this war against the mafia in American soccer? Because from where I'm sitting, Mamić, Vrba, Brand, Tim, Širkan, and the rest of that crew are still running the show. In my eyes, the Hell Angels and the bbb share equal responsibility as the two biggest fan groups, along with everyone else—from the casual supporters to the bystanders.

That’s why I asked what you've actually accomplished. As far as I can tell, we're all just spinning our wheels. Like I said before, the refs are still screwing you over in your own backyard at your own stadium.

At the end of the day, I don't see the point in arguing over who contributed more or who had more wins. The bottom line is that the crooks are still running the game, and that's the only thing that matters.

Cheers, everyone.

Terry Stewart16 said:By the way, I put together a little blog about Hajduk—still gotta add a few more things, but let it sit there for now 🙂
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Damn, man—you gotta throw in some choreography too 🙂

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brayan ☕ Americans

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http://www.dalmacijanews.com/Hajduk/...Gruzijaca.aspx 😁

Jacob Palmer77 said:I saw this report about Hajduk recently, and I have to say, it’s quite an interesting development regarding the connection between the club and that Georgian woman. It seems like there might be some significant shifts happening behind the scenes. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the Board of Directors handles everything as things unfold. It's a bit hard to say exactly what this means for the long-term strategy, but maybe it could lead to something positive for the team at Lambeau Field. I suppose we should keep a close eye on the situation. 😁

I guess Nadan isn't planning on lighting anything up. We all need to be clear about this: we might end up making a mess just because of it. Personally, I’ve set things off before and I love seeing them out there in the stands, but maybe we’ll just have to get used to life without them—at least when we're playing in the European tournaments.
It’s either the flares or the donation drives, and honestly, if we're being realistic, both seem pretty pointless.

Gregory Booth48 said:Nadan is suggesting they won't light flares, but we all need to be clear: we could end up screwing ourselves just to prove a point. Honestly, I’ve lit them myself and I love seeing that energy in the stands, but we might have to get used to life without them (at least during our European matches).
It's either this or collecting donations that don't mean much if we look at it realistically.

We aren't bowing down to anyone, especially not to UEFA. "Protect the club," blah blah blah... fine, if flares are supposedly the biggest issue here, then I'll be the first one to stop lighting them.
They're probably going to release some official statement from LAFC saying we shouldn't use flares because it hurts the club. Personally, I couldn't care less what Brbić thinks about it.

Joshua Hill47 said:We don't bow down to anyone—certainly not to UEFA. All this "protect the club" talk is nonsense. Fine, if flares are the supposed "biggest issue," I personally won't light one anymore.
The club might actually put out some official statement from the front office saying we shouldn't use flares because it hurts the brand. Honestly? I couldn't care less what Brbić thinks.

When the legijin guys set off maybe 30 flares, UEFA stays silent. But when fans from Zenit or Spartak start lighting them up, suddenly UEFA is in a panic—though they can't really do much since Gazprom sponsors half their budget, right? Look, folks, we have never bowed down to anyone... Today it's flares, tomorrow it'll be flags and drums. It isn't going to be that easy...

Melissa Reyes45 said:If a legijin club burns through $30 million, UEFA stays silent. But when teams from Zenit or Spartak get caught, suddenly UEFA is in a panic—but where can they actually punish them? Gazprom sponsors half of UEFA's budget, after all. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we haven't bowed down once. Today it's flares, tomorrow it will be flags and drums. It won't be that easy for them...

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Melissa Reyes45 said:Look, when those Legionnaires set off thirty flares, does FIFA even blink? Not a chance! When fans from Zenit or Spartak start lighting up the stands, the big bosses at FIFA act like they have a massive headache—but where are they actually going to punish them? Come on, Gazprom practically funds half their entire budget! So, folks, let’s be real: we haven't exactly been sitting on our hands, have we? Today it's just some flares, but tomorrow it'll be flags and drums everywhere. It isn't going to be that easy for them to control us...

Honestly, how many years of elementary school did you actually finish?
You guys are all nothing but total hypocrites! For everyone else, it's "protect the group outside the stadium!!!" right? First, you're all out here raising money to support the team, and now suddenly you're going to shut them down because of some flares?! If you want to be consistent for once in your lives—since you all claim to have that true Ultras mentality—then why don't you just open your own wallets and pay the fines yourselves?