Rangers Supporters Club

ironseal15 said:this entire post is an insult to common sense

I disagree. This post is simply the truth, reflecting the reality we face. We might wish things were different, but they aren't—they are exactly as described, which is precisely why we find ourselves in this position. Change is driven by individuals, like Chabo, Bojan, Lelas, and even Stipe. It’s the same with the Boys and Bauer; behind them stands a massive collective, yet it is those specific people who rise above the crowd to spearhead progress. If it weren't for them, everyone would just drift along with the masses and nothing would ever move forward. We suffer from a lack of such leaders, and that is exactly why we are where we are today.

ironseal15 said:this whole post is an insult to common sense

Actually, no—even Pantagan got the point, even if he doesn't agree. You just can't grasp it, and honestly, it would be an insult to my intelligence if you actually did.

We’ve proven ourselves plenty of times across Europe—showing everyone exactly who we are and what we’re made of—and any sane person can see that our supposed headcount of 500 people just isn't grounded in reality.🙂)))))))

Casey Gomez3 said:Laura Mitchell87 never actually had the desire to be an intellectual; his family just forced him into it. In his head, he was always meant to be a street brawler roaming the gritty alleys of Washington, D.C., back when the city actually felt dangerous in the nineties. But let’s be real—to be a true urban degenerate, you actually have to live that life, not just play part of one while being a semi-wealthy elite.

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man, did you ever have a splitting headache??

Casey Gomez3 said:Laura Mitchell87 never actually wanted to be an intellectual; his family basically forced it on him. He spent his youth dreaming of being a street hooligan in the gritty parts of Washington, D.C., back in the nineties. But let’s face it—to be a true urban gutter rat, you actually have to live it, not just be some semi-wealthy kid with a trust fund.

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And the Oscar goes to .....🤣

Gary Green32 said:Second off, man, nobody from the BBB is buying this "you guys are so loyal and honest" crap on this forum except you. It’s not because Dinamo fans or BBB don't read this, it's because your story is full of holes and makes zero sense. You can repeat those delusions a hundred times, but you were all just agents and Mamić lackeys—the worst kind—until the whole damn city turned on you and left you with maybe 500 people. Now that there's only 500 in the stands, suddenly it's "cool" because you're the resistance 😁 hahaha.

Like I told my buddy in Armada, go ahead and write a documentary about the last 20 years of Ultras like we wrote our Feljton. Then we can talk. We aired our dirty laundry. Everyone knows exactly who was an agent and who was playing for whom.

The idea that the whole city abandoned us while everyone stands behind you is total nonsense. Just this past fall, the ENTIRE city showed that we were right, both with the boycott and the fight. Or did you miss how Mamić couldn't even sell 1,000 tickets for the Champions League, so he desperately handed out millions (!!!) of dollars to anyone willing to buy a ticket...

This whole struggle is pathetic; it leads nowhere. 🙄 That’s why Mamić is terrified of the elections—because nobody is following his lead.

Gary Green32 said:Ultras is a movement! From shipyard workers to doctors in Miami, it's all Ultras. We influence everything. We're the biggest factor. What stops the Ultras from being Ultras? The yellow ants, STKL, the unaligned, the local crews, Ultras Chicago—let someone tell them they aren't Ultras. Everyone knows who's who. But strength lies in unity and the Ultras; 2013 was the year. Things change, and that's just what the Ultras are. A movement. We have as many hardcore fans as we need, but we have the power to change things. You don't, so better watch out, because you'll be gone in two or three years. Let's be real, your club has always been run by politics and the regime anyway. Screw it. You either exist or you don't.

Here's a bet, buddy. You say we'll be dead in two or three years, and I say we'll outnumber you. At home and away. Want to grab some drinks and food? Maybe even before a national team match. ☕

The thing is, Ultras is a movement, not just a fan group. Twenty-five years ago, you were just a hooligan crew and a tiny alternative. You were drugged-up maniacs and tough guys with nerves of steel. Today, if three vans of Boys showed up at the North Stand, 90% of you would run for the hills... Read a book, kid, specifically Štabulj.

Gary Green32 said:Look, you've got a point. But let's get real. Just look at Hajduk today versus how they used to be—who's actually responsible for that? It's deeper than you think. That’s why it’s in our interest for you guys to shake things up over at Dinamo, because if you improve, we win too. But you won't change a thing if you just stick to that old playbook where 500 people in the stands think they run the show. Unless you actually become a movement, right? Instead, they convince both us and you that this isn't the way, claiming those 500 of you are the toughest in Europe. If you keep acting like that, those 500 will turn into 300, then 200, until everyone realizes it's pointless and walks away. Trust me, we're heading straight there.

The crew that showed up in Miami this past Sunday? In terms of street cred, they're easily one of the strongest groups in Europe. There were 700 or 800 people there, and maybe 50 of them were just posers or kids playing dress-up. Average age was definitely north of 30. You don't have that, and you never will. ☕

You guys talk about "the crowd," but it's a crowd that doesn't move. At the first sign of trouble, they'll bolt. Damn, sounds like a song lyric. Gotta write that down. 🙏🙏 🙏

Gary Green32 said:Not really. This post is the truth and shows exactly how things are. People wish it were different, but it’s just reality. That’s why we’re stuck here. Change comes from individuals—guys like Bojan, Lelas, and Stipe. Even within the Boys and Bauer. They stand out from the crowd, and they're the ones actually making moves. Without them, everyone would just follow the pack and nothing would ever change. We don't have enough people like that, which is why we're in this mess.

The "crowd"? You mean those 30 people at the Hajduk shareholders meeting?

The truth is you guys just took over because there was nothing left to loot. There's nothing left to steal. And that pathetic little victory of yours? Wednesday's game showed everything. The mafia is absolutely wrecking you, yet you're all standing there cheering and looking in the mirror thinking you actually won something...

Bravo. 🙂

At least we know exactly where we stand. Besides, we thrive in this chaos. That's just what BBB is about.

Gary Green32 said:There used to be decent posts here and real discussions that could actually go somewhere, but it’s all gone to hell. The quality of this forum is tanking because of this clown and the people who feed into his nonsense 🙂

Anyway. First off, Thomas...

I think you've done quite a bit for the supporter movement, but you've undermined yourself by being such an internet clown. You post these absurdities and spend so much time online like some kind of parasite that neither your own group nor anyone else takes you seriously anymore. It's a shame for you and the fans, because you could have been a real resource for us, but instead, things are a mess, just like Goran would say 😁

Second, man, nobody from the BBB is pushing this narrative about your consistency or your integrity on this forum except you. Not because Dinamo fans or the BBB don't read this place, but because the story is full of holes and doesn't hold water. You can repeat your nonsense a hundred times, but back when you were basically agents and Mamić's puppets—the worst kind of political hacks—until the whole city turned on you and left you with only 500 people... now suddenly having 500 people in the stands makes you "resistance" 😁 hahaha.

In my opinion, the BBB era is over. Unfortunately. You're fading out, and you're almost gone. Seriously, they'll probably only let 200 of you into the derby at the stadium 😢 while the club is being targeted, and you're supposedly fighting the board and acting as the resistance. Just 200 people... it's a shame, really.

Just responding to a few people who jumped on my post. Because at the end of the day, the topic is the Ultras.

Yes, the Ultras are a movement! From the shipyard workers to the doctors, the Ultras define Miami. We influence everything; we are the biggest factor. Nothing stops the Ultras from being the Ultras. All those smaller groups, the fringe guys, the unaffiliated... let someone try to tell them they aren't Ultras. Everyone knows who's who. But true strength lies in unity and the Ultras. 2013 was a turning point. Things change; that's just what the Ultras are. A movement. We have as many die-hards as we need, but we have the power to change things. You guys don't, and I'm afraid you'll fade away in two or three years. Let's be honest, your club has always been controlled by politics and the establishment anyway. Whatever. Either you exist or you don't.

One more thing. Tick, tick, tick... except the clock hasn't stopped yet. 😁

Sure, one specific group was totally under Mamić's thumb and hard to shake off, but... that same messed-up group went toe-to-toe with the mighty Ultras several times.
Those 200 people showed up 994 miles for three days straight just to watch an insignificant match where our club plays—a game most people aren't even sure they'd bother supporting. Plenty of us showed up.
And as for the "mighty" Ultras... Now that you've found your footing, you feel like acting tough. Not too long ago, toward the end of the season after Dugopolj, how many people actually came from Miami? ONE guy (shout out to Jablane)... once the authorities decide to crack down and make every flare and banner a criminal offense, you'll see how quickly you settle down.
Don't worry about us. Once the garbage is cleared out and the club becomes itself again, you'll be the ones printing manifestos before the derby, begging everyone not to let the city boys run you over at the stadium.

Those people are fully aware of the strength and mindset held by the BBB (Bad Boys). That is why they talk so much trash and try to belittle us. What hurts them most is the sheer amount of heavy beatings we have endured from the early 90s until today. There will also be plenty of soaked signs; few groups in the world can boast about having so many banners ruined by rain. Of course, looking back through history, the law of large numbers means there were various wrong people and idiots who negatively impacted the group's progress and image over the long term. However, the vast majority of the BBB (Bad Boys) have always been a true crew with the right mentality. I am not sure if any other group in the world possesses such a substantive history and unique situation as the BBB (Bad Boys).

Jesse Campbell said:Masa? You mean those 30 people from the Liverpool FC fan assembly?

The truth is, they handed you the club because there isn't a single honest soul left in it. There’s nothing left to steal. And we all saw how much that hollow victory of yours was actually worth during Wednesday's game. The mob is completely tearing you apart, yet you just keep chanting and telling yourselves in the mirror that you actually won...

Bravo. 🙂

At least we're realistic about where we stand. Besides, we know how to navigate this mess perfectly. That's just what the BBB are...

YOU'RE THE KING

William Turner28 said:Those guys know exactly what the BBB (Bad Boys) are capable of. That's why they talk so much trash. They're mostly just terrified of getting absolutely wrecked—just like the massive beatings we've soaked up from the early 90s until now. Plus, they’ll be dealing with plenty of torn banners soon enough; honestly, few groups globally can boast having as many trashed signs as we have. Sure, looking back, there were some wrong people and idiots in the mix who messed with our reputation long-term, but the vast majority of the BBB have always been a solid crew with the right mindset. I don't think any other group in the world has a history as deep or a situation as unique as ours.

Look, forget the banners and the fights for a second. It's the second half of that post that I'm actually trying to get through to them.

Back in the late 80s, those guys had a real shot at becoming what we eventually became. Instead, they turned into something else entirely.

Jesse Campbell said:Look, let’s set aside the protest signs and the brawls for a second, because the second half of this post is actually the core of what I’ve been trying to get through to them.

Back in the late 80s, those guys had a genuine shot at becoming what we eventually turned into. Instead, they just morphed into something else entirely.

Thank God for small mercies, though honestly, once the water finally settles, we might need to do a little bit of deconstructing ourselves.

Jesse Campbell said:Back in the late 80s, those guys had a real shot at becoming what we eventually turned into. But I suppose they just morphed into something else entirely.

Thank God for that!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...internet-troll Just a little confession from an internet troll, purely so you can see the psychological mechanics at play here...

...one night on Xbox Live, a group of English gamers mocked my accent, then buggered off laughing. A new lot came along and did the same. Anything I replied with was repeated Back to me in the voice of William Shatner. I couldn't win. I felt so powerless, so weak, so isolated. Until I started trolling.

In short—this guy was getting bullied, feeling completely helpless and pathetic, and his only recourse was to become a troll... hopefully, you’ll all realize exactly who needs to be ignored on this thread 😉

Honestly, just let him be; who on earth gives a damn about his nonsense anyway? 🤷

William Turner28 said:Those guys are acutely aware of the sheer strength and mindset of the BBB (Bad Boys). That’s why they talk so much trash and try to belittle us. What hurts them most, I suppose, is the memory of the massive beatings they’ve taken from us since the early 90s—and maybe the fact that we have enough torn banners to start our own collection. Sure, looking back through the lens of history, there were definitely some wrong people and idiots in the group who negatively impacted our reputation over the long haul, but the vast majority of the BBB (Bad Boys) have always been a solid crew with the right attitude. I don't know if any other group in the world has a history as deep or a situation as unique as ours.

The only ones talking trash and belittling anyone are you lot... a group bragging about fights from the 90s when you only showed up in groups of 50 or 100 in a single city with one entrance, no local connections, no support system, blah blah blah... a group acting tough about their "mindset," yet the top brass—those "best guys"—were basically a heavy intelligence agency for nearly ten years of our twenty-five-year existence... a group claiming to have a legacy... but that legacy is just one guy coming in and shrinking a crowd of 2,000 down to 200... a group bragging that 200 people traveled 1,000 miles in three days to do what some other group does once a year in the States... a group that claims to fight for this and that... and then you all scream when the opposing side scores at the stadium, acting like it's a big deal because the players came over to acknowledge you—which is the exact same thing the opposing fans get. You even picked up their jerseys...

Not to mention our own flares going off during those 92 minutes—you can see the flashes coming from the southwest side of town! 😕

No way they would have seen that back in Chicago 🤷

Street battles aren't just a thing from the 90s☕

You forgot to mention that "tiny little group of maybe 100 or 200 people" who travel away and hold their own against teams like Dortmund or PSG, earning respect wherever they go.😉