Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Sam Mendoza said:Me and my buddy discussed this long ago. We agreed once he steps off the field, we won't be seeing his face at a game ever again.

I truly don't get it. Why is everyone so worked up about one man?🙂
It is much more tragic to consider how he was placed
in that role years ago... that is the real issue.
That is where the conversation ends.🤷
Everything was fine when things were blooming, but now he's just a mess.😕
Well, I suppose it wouldn't be surprising if he continues to fail.☕

Mark Carter10 said:Who are "YOU," and who are "THEY"?

That guy who isn't here right now—he’s a true fan. And no, I didn't just jump to that conclusion (or maybe that's just my take), but I've always seen what he actually does, whereas most of you have just given me plenty of talk and left it at that. 😍

Once "You and THEY" (as you like to call yourselves) realize that the NFL Ultras isn't some marketing firm where everything revolves around money—which seems to be everyone's main concern lately 🙄—and understand that the club isn't just a membership database but a place to hang out and build community, then maybe we can actually start talking about what a supporter movement really is!

Casual fans have never been the issue. Thank God we have them, and I hope they stay, but the real problem lies within us. We don't have a cohesive group; instead, we just have a massive collection of individuals, which is exactly what you guys have been listing over the last ten pages.

That's it for me. I'm staying out of any more supporter threads! 😉

p.s. Honestly, if you're being real, it's kind of sad to see so many of us (of us) cluttering up this forum instead of being on the road heading toward a major game. 🙂

...bravo man, why don't you come visit us during the catastrophe or maybe just stop by the local pub.😍

feralpanther50 Asks:
I honestly don't get it—why is everyone so worked up about the man himself?🙂
The real tragedy here isn't just what happened—it’s the method used and the specific people responsible for setting it all in motion. Who actually decided this was the way to go?
That spot has been occupied for years... and honestly, if you start from there, all you get is—
This is where the talking ends.🤷
Back when everything was actually thriving, you were doing just fine—you little jerk.😕
Well, honestly—it would be pretty strange if things weren't falling apart. ☕

I have absolutely nothing against him personally—as a man, he’s fine—but when it comes to being a supporter? He basically embarrassed himself. After that last meeting, I just can't respect his passion for the club anymore. I mean, really? I still respect all the hard work and effort he put in—and I'm grateful for everything he did—but as a fan, he's lost my respect entirely.

Charles Ruiz6 said:Why shouldn't I be allowed to speak my mind? I’m not part of the inner circle or even the "active" core. But this is a group I love, a group I’ve paid dues to for years, and I genuinely care about it being the best it can be. I’m someone who knows every single message posted over the last decade, every choreo, which games had the most energy and which had less, and where we showed up in force for away matches versus where we didn't. This is a group I’ve stood with in the stands, both at home and on the road. I’ve walked through countless home games, almost every MLS stadium, and even several European trips. It's a group I feel a real sense of solidarity with—even if I wasn't in Zilin, I was still there $33 when we were raising money for legal aid. It's a group whose songs I know by heart and find myself humming subconsciously every single day.
And honestly, I feel like a part of this group. Regardless of what the "real" members think about that. If I didn't feel that connection, believe me, I wouldn't bother writing anything; I wouldn't give a damn. I’m writing because I care, not because I have too much free time and want to come here to troll the forum.

But fine, I don't need validation to call myself an NFL Ultra. I don't care about that. However, if fans like me aren't considered part of Torcida Split, then please, I beg you, when you see all those videos, photos, and reports saying things like "Torcida cheered fantastically" or "Torcida Split wins the final battle," just leave out the word "Torcida." Because it's hard to believe that only 200 people could create that kind of hellish atmosphere alone.

You can see how the "true" fans look at the rest of us. Like we're a necessary evil. If they didn't need us to pull off the choreos or boost the noise, they’d have kicked us out of the North Stand ages ago. Instead, they let us stay, even if we're a nuisance.

Just don't come crying later when the rival gangs outshout us in Miami, wondering how to motivate these "half-fans" to cheer when you're busy belittling them right now.

...they have their own issues and it has nothing to do with this topic. And damn, everyone has a point here, but figuring out how to piece it all together... I guess we don't have an answer for that yet.🤷

@And all these people who are against MF or Torinez aren't actually against them as strangers, they're against the people who brought them in, which means they're partially against me too... complexes, neuroses, and eleven sea lions.☕
...they are 1,000 times stronger than us, not in terms of physical strength (referring to MF), but in terms of mental toughness and unity...
...THE SOUTH SIDE AS AN ALTERNATIVE, SO KEEP TEARING EACH OTHER APART!

Charles Ruiz6 said:Public relations are actually solid right now. The NFL Ultras are becoming a significant and respected social force, whereas groups like the Boyz lack any real public backing, which is why they can't push for real changes within the club. Furthermore, substantial progress has been made for our Hajduk; the Code was adopted, Naš Hajduk is in place, and the Board remains steady despite Kerum's interference.

That’s the bottom line. An NFL Ultras group like this has always had the people behind them. They have been a vital social pillar. If they head down a different path, you can kiss that support goodbye. It is up to you all to decide what matters more: the Code, Naš Hajduk, the tradition of the fans (...) or just mindless greed and quick cash.

PS. Which genius came up with the lyrics for that new song? Sometimes it’s better to stay silent than to sing absolute garbage.

Regards, a supporter.

Real fans stay in those stands for years—true believers—whereas these self-proclaimed "ultras" are just chasing a vibe; most of them will pack up and head home after a season or two once the novelty wears off.😉

steeltrucker said:Can I ask a question? Why is it that when the lead organizer doesn't show up at the stands, or if he’s running late or whatever, people just don't know how to cheer? They just stare at one another like half-witted idiots, seemingly unable to find a common language, or needing a compass just to figure out where they are or where the exits are located? Take that Lokomotiva Hajduk game last season...

...I still think about those folks from Vinkovci, where someone grabbed the megaphone after ten minutes because this guy was running late. But as soon as he finally showed up, he snatched the megaphone right out of that kid's hands—you know, the guy from Mertojak—and started directing everyone. Instead of letting him keep cheering so we could have two voices leading the charge—which would eventually grow to three or four—he took over. That’s exactly what my detractors in the Magic Fans do. They consist of just a few people who act like a single unit, people whose goal isn't actually to lead the chants, but just to support their club. Honestly, I can say I learned a lot from them in just two days of being there... We all share the blame here; the real question is just who is willing to admit it and who isn't, and that choice is going to determine the future of TORCIDA.

Ronald Brooks75 said:This is the bottom line. Up until now, this group of NFL Ultras actually had the people behind them—we were a real force in society, a factor that mattered. But if you start heading down this other path? Forget about it. Just goes straight to zero. Now, it’s up to you guys to make a choice: is what matters more the Code, our Hajduk, the spirit of the fans... or just chasing quick cash and green pastures?

PS. Seriously, who was the absolute genius behind the lyrics to that new song? Honestly, sometimes it’s better to just stay quiet than to go around singing complete garbage like that.

Hey there, just dropping in to say hello from a fellow fan.

Look, I honestly couldn't care less about those radicals—screw them and anyone else with that kind of narrow-mindedness stuck in their head. People keep claiming the NFL Ultras are being taken over by extremists, but that’s just total nonsense. It's not about radicalism at all; it's about people who actually give a damn and want to elevate everything we do—from how we carry ourselves in the stands to how we represent ourselves out on the streets. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that level of passion; if anything, it’s freaking perfect.
Seriously, does everyone here just blindly trust the mainstream news instead of actually listening to the people in this group?! I mean, why is it that you guys don't take my posts seriously, but you’ll swallow every single word from some stinking journalist who—let's be real—is nothing more than pure evil incarnate? I'm never going to be like that.

And honestly, these new letters? They’re the work of another massive fan—someone who’s been holding it down in the stands for ages and is a straight-up genius when it comes to supporter culture.

Honestly, I’m just so done with these people from Vinkovci—seriously, I can't even. This guy grabs the megaphone after barely ten minutes of being there, and as soon as he gets his hands on it, he just takes over everything. And get this—he literally snatched the megaphone right out of this kid's hands (you know, the one from Mertojak) and started barking orders. Instead of actually letting the guy lead the chants so we could have two voices driving the energy, he shuts him down. If he had just let it happen, we’d have two people leading us today, and maybe three or four tomorrow. It’s just common sense, really.

Yeah, that’s exactly where it all falls apart—the fact that there wasn't even one or two other people stepping up to help out. It’s like he only cared about being the guy calling the shots for the cheering section, nothing else mattered to him. He didn't give a damn about any other part of the operation—none of those other segments even registered on his radar. And honestly? Even that same guy, A, just lets him take over everything at the stadium gates without a fight.

feralpanther50 said:I just don't get it. Why are you all so worked up about the man himself?🙂
It’s actually more tragic to wonder how he was even put in that position in the first place... how he's been there for years now. That’s where the real issue lies.

🤷That's the end of it.
😕When things were going great, he was running a tight ship.
☕But hey, it wouldn't be unusual for things to go south.

I'm not going to get into who put him there or how. Who ever said he was good for everyone?

steeltrucker said:Can I ask a question? Why is it that whenever the secretary doesn't show up in the stands, or shows up late, or whatever else happens—basically, whenever he isn't there—the fans just lose it? They look at each other like they've lost their minds. They can't even figure out how to communicate. Do they need a GPS just to find the entrance and the exit? Look at the Lokomotiva Hajduk game last season...

Two seasons ago, during the derby in the city, he was running late. One of the most well-known guys in the NFL Ultras stands up and starts leading about 100 people around him. There are 2,000 others watching (not everyone had even walked in yet), and the second he gets going, the crowd goes absolutely wild, like it's some religious experience.

rustyangler122 said:...I'm just tired of how things go in Indianapolis. You see someone grab the megaphone barely ten minutes after arriving, asking "what took me so long?" but as soon as he gets it, he takes over. GET THIS: he snatched the megaphone right out of the hands of a guy from Mertojak and started leading everything. Instead of letting him cheer—so we could actually have two voices leading the crowd, maybe three or four tomorrow—he shuts him down. That's exactly what those Magic Fans haters do. They operate in tiny little groups, people who act as one single unit, people who don't care about being the leader, they just want to support their club and I can honestly say I learned a lot from them during my two-day stay there. We're all responsible for this situation. The real question is: who is willing to admit it, and who isn't? The future of the Black Knights depends entirely on that answer.

That’s what we need. Putting the club first and staying united. And honestly, that guy from Mertojak was doing a great job by the barricades.😳

Back when the Black Knights were just a small crew of maybe 50 people, some folks loved being front and center. They lived off this self-proclaimed "elite" status they cooked up in their own heads. Their egos basically prevented them from actually being part of a group; instead, they acted like they were their own separate entity. Honestly, none of them seemed to care about what was happening at the headquarters. Maybe it’s just jealousy talking today, I don't know—I don't really get why there's such a massive issue. Everything used to be fine, but it mostly just suited certain people to dictate the pace in Miami and stick their noses into everything the central leadership was supposed to handle. Now that a new generation has stepped up and things are finally gaining momentum in Miami, everyone is making such a huge fuss. Look, those old players aren't around anymore. We just want to be US—one single, cohesive unit. Once we realize that, there won't be any limits to what we can do. We have solid foundations despite all the drama; we aren't starting from scratch here. I guess we should thank the people who built this, even if it cost them everything. Now it's our turn to take things to the next level. Just stop the fighting and the brainwashing. That era is over.

placidheron16 said:Just one last bit of advice for you—you're trying way too hard to prove who you are. We’re all here now, exactly as we are, and things will go our way until the big convention... and after that, whatever happens, happens. Just because you might be the big shot in your small hometown doesn't mean you can walk in here and act like you run the city...

And there it is—that classic "new guard" mentality, huh? Come on, man...
The reality is, we're the ones standing here. It doesn't matter how we got here, and it'll be done on our terms—everyone else can just deal with it.
Oh, wonderful. I can already see that incredible "synergy" and "unity" we've been lacking... truly inspiring stuff!!
Small towns?
Those "small towns" were the ones keeping this group afloat while those of us from the Black Knights were out there hauling vans—and sometimes even driving cars—just to make sure we showed up to away games.
You really ought to think twice about where you're trying to assert dominance and how you choose to do it!
So, here's a little piece of unsolicited wisdom for you, since you seem to be such an expert on giving it!
That's quite enough talk from @Naler and myself on this forum!

Sam Mendoza said:A couple of seasons ago during the derby in Chicago, he shows up late, but one of the more well-known guys in the Black Knights stands up and starts leading us. He's got about 100 people following his lead while 2,000 others are still filing in, and man, once he gets going, the energy is absolutely insane—like a religious experience.

This isn't an issue with the former secretary; it’s a matter of how people think. It would be better if it didn't matter who was standing at the front of the stands, but you can't change the mindset of our crowd that easily. People crave a "famous" face, someone who will lead for the long haul, someone they can get used to and eventually accept—assuming they accept them at all, because even a few small hiccups are enough for the masses to reject someone entirely. We aren't some military unit where everyone follows orders without question. Not to mention that even a part of the core group thinks they know everything and acts tough when it's actually time to cheer.
The secretary is gone, but you're kidding yourselves if you think that solves everything. The cheering will stay lukewarm until some new Lekić steps up to the front, and then we'll just be right back at square one.
I think I've been around here long enough—15 years isn't exactly nothing—to see the bigger picture and recognize what has actually changed versus what remains exactly the same.
When I was in elementary school, the loudest atmosphere was whenever Trto could get the entire stadium on its feet. To this day, nothing has changed regarding that dynamic, except that it isn't Trto anymore, it's someone else. That said, back when there wasn't a standout leader, the cheering wasn't exactly spectacular either. Some people like it that way, some don't, but that's just reality. Maybe it would be better to lean into who we actually are instead of trying to pretend to be something we're not.

rustyangler122 said:...honestly, I'm just kind of over the situation in Indianapolis. Like, after only ten minutes, this guy grabs the megaphone—basically taking over from whoever had it before. And get this, he actually snatched the megaphone right out of a kid's hands (one of those guys from Mertojak) and started leading everything. Instead of just letting the kid cheer so we could have two people leading the chants—which could turn into three or four people tomorrow—he just took over. This is exactly what happens when the haters of the Magic Fans act like this. They only have a handful of people, but they're totally unified, you know? These are people who don't care about being the leader; they just want to support their club. I guess I can honestly say I learned a lot from them in just my two days there... We're all kind of responsible for how things turn out, really. It's just a matter of who wants to admit it and who doesn't, and I suppose that's going to decide the future of the Black Knights.

He didn't snatch the megaphone, it was just handed to him!! A few people were leading the cheers, and when he showed up, the megaphone was just given to him... I don't think we should be calling people out like that; not everyone is trying to be a media personality.

Mark Reyes2 said:That’s that whole "new school" attitude right there, buddy...
Basically, it’s just us, it doesn't matter how we got here, and things are going to happen exactly how we say they will, so screw everyone else!
Fantastic, I can already see that incredible progress and that sense of synergy and unity that was totally missing before!!
The small towns?
Those "small towns" were the ones keeping this entire group afloat while those of us from ST were out there scrambling to find a van or even a car just to make it to an away game.
Just be careful about where you try to play the leader and how you choose to exert that authority!
There, consider that a little piece of benevolent advice from me, since you seem so eager to hand them out to everyone else!
That’s enough chatter from both @Naler and myself on this forum!

Honestly, just tune him out. It's obvious the guy is incapable of having a rational conversation. I was actually sitting here today wondering how a normal discussion could possibly drag on for this long when he's clearly playing some sort of James Bond character.🤣

Way to go!

True love isn't some flashy, fleeting trend. These superficial distractions are just passing fads.

This is what real passion looks like for a true supporter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2QE8...&feature=inbox

I’ve been avoiding posting in this thread because let's be honest, nothing ever really gains traction on these forums anyway, but I just wanted to mention something I’ve noticed happening over and over again...

Everyone keeps bringing up that one van—that specific vehicle from the city—that used to show up during away games...

It’s true, it happened. But now, if you actually take a second to think about who was inside that thing... well, suddenly a lot of things start making sense...

edit: For those of you who aren't catching my drift, I'll just say this: they were the ones pulling all the strings...

steeltrucker said:Nice job. Simple as that. And just like that, the conversation dies on Reddit.

😲

🤣🤣🤣

wanderingcobra18 said:I tend to avoid posting in this thread because nothing ever seems to gain any traction on a forum like this, but I felt compelled to mention a pattern I've been noticing lately...

Everyone keeps bringing up that specific van—the one coming in from the coast during away games...

It’s true, but if you take a moment to actually consider who was sitting inside that vehicle, certain things might start to make sense to you...

edit: For those of you struggling to connect the dots, I'll just say this: the inner circle....

Why are you even chiming in? 😁
We all know exactly who we're talking about. We discussed this extensively back when we were in Austria...
It's almost laughable.