Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

George Sanchez76 said:Your brains have been totally washed by this whole "personality cult" thing. You honestly think there weren't people in the stands before he showed up? Like we’re all just mindless sheep following him around because we can't think for ourselves? Get it through your heads—he isn't the point, other stuff matters! If he gives public support to someone, I'm not jumping on board just because of his endorsement. I don't give a damn about that! I'll give my full backing the moment you prove you actually know what you're doing and that your work will actually bring something new to the group, instead of just making changes for the sake of ego trips. And look, I’m practically begging you here, but you can't even manage to fix things in ten days. Why? Is it too much effort, or does it just hurt your feelings? Or did you dump everything on one guy and now you're lost because he's gone? Why blame us for the split when we offered an olive branch on the condition that some things get cleared up? Or did you think you were chosen by God to lead us, expecting everyone to just nod along to your "visions" without actually hearing them?
One last tip. In situations like this, go ask the other side your questions directly. Don't rely on one or two guys to relay everything. They might forget something, misunderstand, or if they're being shady, just leave stuff out. Either way, you end up missing key info.
I wrote more than I meant to, but whatever, since everyone thinks they're an expert, they can read this too. I'm sick of all this nonsense about kids, fans, fights, and cheering—none of it matters. Everyone acts like a hardcore ultra, but half of them haven't got a clue what they're talking about!
"Evil rules the world, and stupidity holds the mic!"

placidheron16 said:Every single fight breaks out because whenever the big meetings happen, they always end up breeding some old-school Raiders mentality, whether it's on the forums or in person. Honestly, I’m so sick of you people! Seriously!! This new crowd running the stands now? They won't even step up and lead the kids. Kids are easy to handle, but someone needs to show them who’s actually calling the shots. You gotta be firm with the youth. You have to teach them from day one how to live the fan life, instead of just letting them sit there like mindless puppets for whoever happens to be shouting at them lately!!

steeltrucker said:Can I ask a question? Why is it that when the organizer doesn't show up at the stands, or he's late, or whatever else happens, the fans just don't know how to cheer? They just stare at each other like total morons, looking like they don't even speak the same language. It's like they need a GPS just to find the entrance and the exit. Just look at the Los Angeles Dodgers situation last season...

Jonathan Lewis3 said:The vision and plan are definitely there.
There's a group for the stands... they exist.
There's a group for the streets... they exist.
A crew to back them up? That doesn't exist.
And until that gets sorted out, we're stuck...
So, some random guy is whining about how everything fell on one person and saying he needs to go!??!? Well, thank God for that—that's exactly why he was pushed out, so it wouldn't all be on his shoulders. Nobody's kicking him out of the stadium or anything. Honestly, I'm guessing you're just some local branch nobody cares about, so why aren't you actually backing the guys? Probably because you're listening to the haters, just like the rest of the non-supporters.
Same goes for you people claiming you're "everywhere" but have no say or aren't part of the "active crew." Who's stopping you from hanging in the cop or showing up for the banners or helping with the choreo?? It's not like you need an official announcement on the website every single time; if someone notices you, they'll reach out, but you actually have to show up first...
There are certain people who just crave power and an ego trip. Once people stop listening to those types, or once they get shut down, that's when things will change...

Jerry Gray5 said:Amen!!!
I mean, seriously, how am I supposed to have any desire to even talk with people who genuinely believe that the Raiders are Doris Dragovic? It’s not because I—or anyone else—am brainwashed or because some forced opinion was shoved down our throats. No, it's just common sense!
And for everyone out there thinking everything happening is just some manufactured drama, you really need to learn how to distinguish between your own interests and the greater good. Honestly, the absolute baseline for any constructive conversation is actually using your own brain and doing some actual thinking. So, please, don't let other people put words in your mouth. Just be the author of your own thoughts, even if you end up being 200% wrong about it.

George Sanchez76 said:Has everyone here been brainwashed by this "personality cult" nonsense? Do you honestly believe there weren't people in the stands long before he showed up? Are we all just mindless sheep—no brains, no spine—just following him blindly? Get it through your heads: he isn't the point. Other things matter more. If he offers public support, I’m not going to jump on board just because he decided to back someone. I couldn't care less about that. I will offer my full support the very moment you convince me that you actually know what you're doing—that your actions will bring a genuine new dimension to this group, rather than just making changes for the sake of change or feeding some individual's ego trip. You were told quite clearly—I might even say I begged you—but you can't seem to pull it together for even ten days. Why is that? Is it because your pride is wounded, or are you simply incapable? Or have you placed everything on the shoulders of one man, only to find yourselves lost now that he's gone? Why blame us for any division when we offered an olive branch on the condition that certain things be clarified? Or did you think you were chosen by God to lead the group, expecting us all to just nod along to your "visions" without ever actually hearing what those visions are?
And a final word of advice. In situations like this, talk directly to the other side to get the answers you need. Don't rely on one or two people to act as your messengers. They might forget something, they might misunderstand, or if they're being malicious, they might conveniently leave things out. Either way, you end up deprived of information that could prove vital.
I've written more than I intended, but fine—since everyone thinks they know everything, they can read this too. I am sick to death of all this talk about kids, casual fans, fights, and cheering that has absolutely nothing to do with the core issue. Everyone wants to claim they're an NFL Ultra, yet half of them haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about!
"In this world, evil largely reigns supreme, and stupidity holds the floor!"

placidheron16 said:Just one piece of advice for you before I go: stop trying so hard to prove who you are. We’re all just sitting here being ourselves until the big meeting happens, then whatever, it goes how it goes. If you think you're some big shot back in your small hometown, don't forget—you're nobody in the big city.

MEP;41729431 said:Wait, weren't those exact same people—the ones you claim have been "pulling all the strings behind the scenes" lately—the ones who actually took over the club? If they were so incompetent before, how are they doing such a great job running things now?😁

You're talking nonsense!! The only part of this organization that’s actually producing anything is the youth academy... but even then, they have their specific role to play, and everyone knows what that is.

As for the rest of them... you don't hear a word about them. Nobody mentions them in conversation, and more importantly, nobody can point to a single concrete thing they’ve actually accomplished.