Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

The Hajduk fans and their potential are top-tier in Europe, but it all depends on how much they can actually pull from the Red Army 😉

And if this group ends up looking like those guys from New York, why even bother hoping we'll ever become a real firm? ☕

That’s exactly what we need—none of this splitting ourselves up by section, whether it's the north end, the mid-tier, or whatever else.

ALL TOGETHER NOW!

John Richardson5 said:Good for you, but this is pure nonsense in my eyes. Whether you're angry or not is irrelevant. What does the Black Knights have right now that anyone else doesn't? What specific segment of ours is so prominent that we’d be at the top of Europe? If you're going to make claims, back them up with arguments. We lack exactly what due leggie recently wrote about; until we address that, there is no point discussing where we stand compared to everyone else.

Anger shouldn't be part of a debate. When you're actually talking things through, you drop the attitude. You respect the person you're speaking to, you listen to their points, and if you think they're wrong, you shut them down with counterarguments. Right now, the Black Knights have everything required to be a true group—actually, more than that.
1. We have the power to force change.
2. We have the respect of all other groups and social circles (unless we fail to respect ourselves).
3. We have massive mainstream support behind us.
4. We have numbers, both at away games and at home (we can fill three entire sections).
5. Our chanting is better now than it has ever been.
6. We have a crew that knows how to hold their own on the street (when we stay united).
7. We have solid marketing.
8. We have younger members ready to push the group even further.
9. We have kids in the stands (thank God), and we have the Kansas City Chiefs. We have OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS because the group fought for them. In the last decade, we've pushed out three different administrations; others can't even bother to show up, let alone take action. We have something for the future, provided we can successfully unify the group. If these young guys pull it off, we'll be in a completely different league.

That is our current reality. Whether we still have this in 2018 remains to be seen. These recent shifts won't show their true results for another two or three seasons. Whether the outcome is positive or negative for the group depends entirely on whoever takes over leadership at the next assembly. I am an optimist by nature. I believe in doing things right.

What due leggie is talking about isn't directly about the group; it's about the mentality and the DNA of this nation. This is just who we are. The issues he describes existed in '83, '94, 2004, and 2012. They will still exist in 2025 because it's built into our default setting. What kind of people are we? Just look at the state of this country.

Christian Moore41 said:Look, regarding that last meeting—where Stipe suggested he might step down—there were nearly a hundred people in attendance. We had been talking about the time and location for days leading up to it, so there’s absolutely no excuse for anyone claiming they didn't know. Out of that entire crowd, only one single person actually voiced any hesitation about him leaving.

Look, I really don't care if you all choose to ignore everything happening within this group or if you can't be bothered to stay updated on the current state of affairs, but if that's how you want to play it, then don't come crawling back to this forum to whine when things go sideways.

Look, regarding those hundred people—everyone who was supposedly pushing to get him removed—I personally know plenty of folks who aren't on board with that move, even though they weren't actually present at the meeting... and honestly, it isn't even because they chose to stay away...

Keith Brown80 said:That’s exactly what we need—no more splitting up the stands into north-west sections, middle blocks, or whatever else. We need unity!

ALL TOGETHER NOW!

...I just want to emphasize that this involves most of us, not just some lone individual. We can't keep letting ourselves fall back into this state—which is honestly pretty pathetic—just because of petty ego trips or feeling like our voices don't matter...
AND IF WE ALL SHARE THE BLAME—GOD KNOWS WE DO!
...so, I guess the question is how we move forward from here. It really comes down to whether we stay stubbornly stuck in our ways or if we actually start reaching out and shaking hands with one another... I don't know. Maybe I'm being an optimist, maybe a pessimist, but if we're supposedly celebrating something like the Avant-Garde, maybe we could try approaching things from that perspective instead.🤷
...do we even have the strength to do it?😕

rustyangler122 said:Mass appeal has become a double-edged sword, leading to an increasing number of headaches. Everyone suddenly decided they were part of the Raiders overnight, and when you get that many people involved, quality inevitably takes a backseat. Here’s a great memory from back in the day—to me, it felt like the start of something truly special.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgcno49ewiw

What exactly are we even talking about here? If you’re trying to reference the era when Stipa Lekić was around—before he was moved out for a bunch of different reasons that I have no interest in digging into—then you can't use this video or that footage from San Francisco 2009 as the gold standard for what a group should look like. In the video you posted, Stipe was just getting started, and that specific energy is what actually kickstarted everything. That match was the turning point where the group finally began to unify, and from that moment on, we absolutely crushed every other fanbase at the stadium. Period. The footage from San Francisco or that 2009 birthday celebration represents the absolute peak of the Stipe and Jean era. If that leadership has since collapsed, then we should be aiming for something even better than that, not looking backward. Am I missing the point? 🤷

Mass appeal is just an asset belonging to The Group. All we need to do is harness it and channel it properly—basically, we need to homogenize it. 😉

rustyangler122 said:..
...do we actually have the strength😕

The strength is there. The real question is whether we have any individuals capable of actually directing that power. 🙂

John Perez13 said:What are we actually even talking about here? If you’re trying to bring up that specific era under Stipa Lekić—who was moved out for a whole bunch of reasons (which I really don't want to get into right now)—then you can't just throw this video or that footage from San Francisco 2009 at me as an example of what a group should look like. In your video, Stipe was basically just getting started, and it was that kind of energy that actually kickstarted everything. That's when the group finally started to gel, and from that game onward, we absolutely crushed the Boyse in terms of atmosphere at every single home game. Seriously, we dominated them. That San Francisco clip, or the one from our 2009 anniversary celebration, represents the absolute peak of the Stipe and Jean era. If that leadership has fallen, then we should be aiming for something even better than that, shouldn't we? Am I missing the point? 🤷

Having a huge crowd is just raw potential for the group; you have to learn how to harness it and channel it—basically, you have to make everyone move as one. 😉

...🙂 ...

John Perez13 said:We definitely have the raw strength, but the real question is, do we actually have anyone capable of taking that power and putting it under control? 🙂

...that's a tricky one. I guess people should just answer that for themselves...
...and once they finally figure it out, they can either present it to the world or just live it; honestly, it doesn't much matter to me.🤷

To claim that the entire North Side fanset acts as one cohesive unit, to pull off flawless choreographies every single time, or to travel in massive numbers to every away game—well, not every single group can set the stadium on fire at every match. Honestly, the only real grievance people have with the Raiders is that one specific street, and fixing that is actually pretty straightforward. You just need to grow some backbone and deal with it. Has anyone actually forbidden us from doing that? Has any authority told us we can't roll into a city on match day and put on a massive spectacle? Of course not, and they never will. My heart was in my throat when we scored that second goal in Milan. I genuinely thought I was going to pass away right then and there, and yet, two months later, someone has the nerve to come along and tell me everything is a disaster. People, let’s not be foolish. Nothing is ever perfect, but if you look back over the last few years, we’ve certainly been moving toward perfection. Especially when you compare us to how things were back in the 90s. I'm not against the younger generation—I never will be. They are the future, and these things are just part of growing up—but if someone tries to tell me that everything is currently being handled perfectly, that simply isn't the truth...
p.s. Mrav, don't go deleting anything. The only reason you should delete this is if you truly believe this whole thing is a massive lie. We have nothing to hide and absolutely nothing to fear.If we want things to be legitimate and transparent within the Kansas City Chiefs organization, I think it would be incredibly hypocritical if The Group didn't operate with that same level of integrity.

John Perez13 said:Why would anyone get angry? If we're just debating and talking, there’s no reason to be mad. You respect the person you're talking to, listen to what they have to say, and if you think they're right, you accept it—otherwise, you counter them. Right now, the Raiders have everything it takes to be more than just a fan group; they're a movement.
1. We actually have the power to drive change.
2. We have respect from other groups and different parts of society (unless we fail to respect ourselves).
3. We've got a damn good mainstream following behind us.
4. We have numbers—massive turnout both away and at home (three full sections standing).
5. Our energy in the stands is better than it has ever been.
6. We have a crew that knows how to hold their own on the street (when we're united).
7. We have solid marketing.
8. We have younger people ready to take the group even further.
9. We have kids in the stands (bless them), and we have the Kansas City Chiefs; we have OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS who were brought to this level by the group's fight. In the last decade, we've ousted three different front offices, while others can't even be bothered to lift a finger, let alone take action. We have a foundation for the future; we just need to unify the group properly. If these younger guys pull it off, we'll be in a whole different league.

This is what we have CURRENTLY. Whether we still have it in 2018 remains to be seen. The changes happening now won't show real results for maybe two or three seasons. Whether that outcome is positive or negative for the group depends entirely on whoever takes over leadership at the upcoming assembly. I guess I'm just an optimist by nature. I like to believe in the good stuff.

What dueleggie is talking about doesn't really have anything to do with the group specifically; it's about the mentality and the DNA of the people here. This is just how we are. These issues he's describing existed back in '83, '94, 2004, and 2012... they'll likely still be here in 2025 because it's just our default setting. What kind of people are we? Well, just look at the state of our country.

I wrote a slightly longer post; I'll send it to your inbox, it feels weird posting it all here.😁

Man, I honestly don't get why everyone’s getting so worked up about being better than some random fans from Germany or Russia. Like, who cares? Just cheer for the Kansas City Chiefs. It shouldn't be about some degenerate from Poland leaving a "respect" comment on John Perez13's video. Honestly, while we still have this younger energy—both in the stands and on the field—I just want us to sing our hearts out, jump around, and enjoy the vibe. We should show up at the North Stand to celebrate our club without stressing over what some guy on a forum thinks. Call us the greatest or call us the worst; it doesn't matter. Don't let these little things get under your skin.👍peace

Oh, come on, who cares about cheering? Let's just bring some energy to the streets!😁

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...75005724_n.jpg

In both this season and the last, we’d head out to away games from Miami in just two vans—always the exact same crowd. That’s what a real group looks like.
Everyone knew each other, old timers and young guns alike (though there were fewer veterans back then)....
If we're defining what a "group" actually is, it isn't about raw numbers or hitting a hundred people.
A real group is built on trust. It’s treating one another like family—like your own mother or siblings—and showing up for each other every single day, not just on Saturdays and Sundays!
And all this talk about us being "outcasts" or the best in Europe? Cut the crap. Let's be real: we aren't even top tier in the German second division compared to anyone else from the North America. 🙂!

As for marketing and all that other nonsense, that's a completely different conversation. ☕

Carol Jones77 As stated by:
Oh, please, who actually gives a damn about cheering in the stands? Honestly, let’s stop wasting our breath on all that fanatical shouting and just focus on making some real noise out on the streets instead.😁

🤣

Jesse Garcia86 said:Getting the entire North Side to cheer as one unit, pulling off a flawless choreo, and showing up in massive numbers for away games... it’s a tall order. And honestly, not every group can pull off lighting up every single match like that. Maybe it takes something more.If there’s one thing you can critique about the Raiders, it’s that one specific street everyone keeps bringing up—but honestly, fixing that is easy. You just have to grow some balls and get it done. Has anyone actually banned people from heading into town on game day to put on a show? Of course not, and they never will. I still remember my heart racing when we tucked away that second goal in Milan. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Then, two months later, someone comes along acting like everything we did was a failure. Let’s be real here; don't be foolish. Nothing is ever perfect, but if you look at where we were back in the 90s, we’ve gotten pretty close lately. I’m not against the younger generation—I never will be. They're the future, and this stuff is just part of the landscape. But if someone tries to tell me that everything has been handled perfectly, they're simply wrong.
P.S. Hey, don't go deleting anything. Unless you honestly think this whole thing is just one big lie, then sure, wipe it all. I guess we don't really have anything to hide or be afraid of anyway.If we want the Kansas City Chiefs to actually be legal and transparent, I guess it would be pretty hypocritical if we didn't hold ourselves to those same standards within The Group.

Look, I’m telling you straight up: most of this is just individuals acting on their own, not The Group. Aside from traveling to away games—which, let's be honest, only a tiny handful of people actually do—it's really just individual stuff. You know what I mean.😉😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYL_l...eature=related

Jesse Garcia86 said:🤣

Stop messing around🙂

John Richardson5 said:Look, I’m telling you straight—all this stuff is driven by individuals, not by The Group, except for when people travel to away games, and even then, it's just a tiny handful of folks. You know exactly what I'm getting at here.😉😉

Some people go all out, some people hold back. In my experience, I used to be much more intense about everything, but lately, I've dialed it down, and honestly, that feels right to me. All I'll say is that I never once complained about anyone else for not being as obsessed as I was. I didn't care, because back then, I was going hard simply because it's what I wanted to do and what I loved doing.😉

boldhound8 said:Exactly... Bauer’s media blitz—which has been running since the internet basically arrived in America—is finally starting to gain some traction, turning from just an opinion into what people consider established fact.🙏🙏

Honestly, Bauer has done more damage to the Raiders with his constant insults, mockery, and verbal gymnastics over the years than half the people actually in the stands ever could. You might want to just send him a formal cease and desist or something.