2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th

Michael Lee4 said:If I were a mod on this board, I'd have issued a permanent ban by now, man. 🤣

This is just wild 🙏 I can't even wrap my head around how someone could actually believe this stuff. Honestly, I’m assuming the guy is just trolling. If he’s being serious, then I'm genuinely speechless.

That part about Button was pure gold 🤣 🤣 🤣

I know exactly what your "objectivity" looks like when it comes to Alonso, so let's be real—I haven't taken your takes seriously for a long damn time. 🙂

But hey, 🙂 I'm not gonna call you out for trolling just because you've got a different opinion than me.

analogwolf12 said:Hey F1 fans! Been following this sport for over 30 years now. Obviously caught the race this morning too. Is it Kimi's fault or Alonso's? In my book, that's just how racing goes. But the real question is: what is Alonso thinking!? He's got a 30-point lead, and he still chooses to dive in with Kimi? And Kimi just doesn't budge—he doesn't care who's fighting for the title ! If he had just let him through, he probably would've finished the race and walked away with some points.

Not really... he actually had a scrap with Lewis after he exited the pits, and then he backed off to avoid the contact.

Michael Lee4 said:Well, I don't know if that's entirely true... he actually got into a bit of a scrap with Lewis this morning right after he pulled out of the pits, and I guess he just blinked first to avoid hitting him.

See, that’s actually what I wanted to touch on. Both of them were driving like absolute maniacs, pushing it to the limit, but nothing actually happened because Kimi somehow managed to wiggle out of it at the last second. I mean, even though he's hunting for points, he's still technically in the mix for the title, theoretically speaking.

Edward Howard2 said:so when hamilton starts crying on the team radio because charles is holding him up during the third practice session at Indianapolis (yeah... practice), suddenly the same guy who was just dropping 🙂 smirks about alonso (shoutout to Michael Lee4), goes completely silent??

Maybe he's quiet because he has no clue what you're talking about, or he missed it entirely because he was busy sleeping.

Jose James44 said:whose blood is on the crash🤣🤣 🤣

Terrible.🤣🤣 🤣 😢

I’ve been rooting for Alonso up until today (as the lesser of two evils), but this nonsense about how Ferrari is useless and how Massa just got lucky🤣. PATHETIC.🙄

He claimed Massa drove a phenomenal race, yet immediately after the finish, he tweeted congratulations and noted that luck played a huge role in the outcome—which is technically true since three drivers ahead of Massa retired and both Hamilton and Button had an off day. But that wasn't a critique of Massa; it was a warning shot to Ferrari.

Kimi's keeping up—he's right on Alonso's heels after this race—but Lotus is struggling with upgrades just like Ferrari; that DDRS thing has been lagging since Canada. Honestly, he’s got a real shot at 3rd in the drivers' standings and 3rd for the constructors. That's pretty much the ceiling for Lotus this year.
If Grosjean hadn't messed up so many times, they might've actually fought for 2nd in the constructors' championship.

I have no clue what happened with McLaren. Both Button and Hamilton had some pretty lackluster races. Seriously, even Massa was looking better than them.

Michael Lee4 said:I wouldn't say that's quite the case... he actually had a bit of a scrap with Lewis this morning right after he exited the pits, and he actually blinked and backed off to avoid a collision.

Alright, I see your point. But there’s still a massive difference between exiting the pit lane and that chaotic first lap at the start of a race. Kimi has always been wired that way—he doesn't hold back what's on his mind, and frankly, he doesn't care much for showing respect to anyone on the track. It really reminds me of Edda Irvine.

Jack Kelly5 said:When Kimi says he just doesn't care about anyone else, or refuses to apologize after pulling some stunt on the track, people call him a cocky jerk, an arrogant prick, or a complete idiot...
But when Alonso pulls a stunt like that against his own teammate, it feels... well, unsportsmanlike, but it is what it is.
🙄😁

I already said it was unsportsmanlike... but I see you're really latching onto my
"it is what it is" part, so I'll just strip that out. --Alonso's statement was unsportsmanlike.

Where exactly did I say that bolded part? Find me those specific posts—I mean the ones using those exact words, not just places where you think I'm hinting at it.

Raymond Anderson4 said:there aren't even any hidden hints where you're supposedly implying that.

Oh, believe me, they were there. But I guess that’s kind of the whole point of this debate right here. We’re just out here being blunt about how Alonso is basically a big baby and a total prima donna, while you guys are all over the place with your sort of vague little insinuations ...
😁

What I expressed about Kimi in my previous post is exactly how I feel.
I think my point is pretty clear from what I wrote... and honestly, if I didn't use insults like "idiot" or call him an "arrogant jerk," then I simply don't hold those views of him.
😉

Jack Kelly5 said:Oh, sure, there were plenty. But that's the difference here. We aren't hiding it—we say Alonso is a total crybaby and a bully, while you guys are all out here acting all precious and high-and-mighty...
😁

Are you seriously trying to bait me into an argument?
Nah. I just hit my quota.

Michael Lee4 said:Maybe he's staying quiet because he hasn't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Honestly, he probably didn't even watch the race—he was likely too busy catching up on sleep.

That’s exactly what I’m getting at... You guys seem to miss all the whining from everyone else for a million different reasons—and that was just one example—but the second Alonso opens his mouth, you all make sure to catch every single word. 🙂 If you’re gonna drop an emoji or call someone a crybaby, don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously. You can't claim you aren't hating on Alonso and that you're being totally objective about his recent incident if you're busy mocking people for complaining. Pick a lane, honestly. 🙂

That’s all I’ve got to say on this whole Alonso and Kimi situation.

Jack Kelly5 said:To kick things off, let's try this one. Or maybe they aren't even feeling healthy after seeing what you wrote??
🤷

Look, I'm gonna pass on this one. I don't really do arguments at this level... 🙂 👋

William Bennett53 said:Massa finds himself in an enviable position here. He’s managed to outpace his qualifying performance, he didn't burn through a set of softs during Q3, and he’s secured the right to choose his tire strategy. If he can execute a clean start and manage to leapfrog some of those heavy hitters ahead of him—the McLarens, Kimi, or Alonso—he might actually find himself fighting for his seat on Sunday. ☕

That post right after qualifying was almost prophetically accurate, wasn't it? 🙏 🙏

And so, congratulations to Vettel on yet another predictably dominant victory—one that arguably deserves to be measured by a championship title.

Congratulations, of course, to the aforementioned Massa on securing second place—a result that might just be enough to keep his seat for next season.

Congratulations to Kamui for the absolute mania he stirred up among the home crowd—honestly, even in my living room, the four of us were celebrating like typical Americans watching a podium finish. And as for that third-place finish, hopefully, it’s enough to secure his spot with the team. If you judge by the look on Monisha's face toward the end and right after the checkered flag, I suspect he won't be far from the top next time. 🙏 👍 😁

Regarding the collision between Alonso and Kimi, I find myself opposed to any penalty. It really should be viewed as nothing more than a racing incident. I feel for Alonso—and honestly, that’s saying something, given how much I'd prefer anyone else to take the title instead of Vettel again. Regardless of the fact that Kimi ended up with a broken wing, I don't believe a penalty is warranted here.

Watching Grosjean pilot my Renault, I can only say this: 🤦

Tyler Bennett5 said:I don't think this is just about haters being loud; it’s more about Alonso fans.
They’re hell-bent on proving Kimi is the sole reason for the incident and that Alonso doesn't have
even a shred of blame in any of it.
If someone had just said at the start that it was a standard racing incident—the kind we see
hundreds of times during race starts—this whole thing would have died right there.

Did you see anyone actually calling for a penalty for Kimi? No. It never even crossed my mind.
So, by default, it's a racing incident.
But I still hold him responsible for the collision; I think Kimi caused Alonso to spin out.
He didn't do it on purpose, obviously. But when the stakes are this high, I expect more caution and basic respect for the other drivers.

And yet, here we are, with all the hateful claims that Alonso is the one to blame.

Edward Howard2 said:Why on earth should I listen to what someone else says and accept it as gospel truth when I have my own two eyes to judge the situation? Whose opinion am I supposed to value?
Should I value the opinions of those British commentators who claim Vettel is the seventh-best driver of all time, better than Alonso, or that Stirling Moss was superior to Jackie Stewart and Niki Lauda despite having zero titles?
Or maybe I should listen to some random pundit who insists Hamilton is the third-best ever, and that both Hamilton and Vettel rank higher than Prost or Schumacher?
Or perhaps I should cater to the endless parade of Alonso sycophants and haters who just sit there waiting for him to speak so they can spam emojis 🙂 and call people "crybabies." Yet, when Hamilton gets frustrated on the team radio because Charles is holding him up during the third practice session at Indianapolis (yeah... during practice), those same people 🙂 who were tossing emojis at Alonso (Michael Lee4 op.a) suddenly go dead silent. "Objectivity" and "expertise" are everywhere these days, apparently, even on this forum...
Who is this global F1 authority you're talking about, whose opinion I'm supposedly meant to take as fact just because they hold it?

I had the same thought, but this puts it much more clearly and bluntly. 👍

Roger Wright94 said:Did you see anyone actually calling for a penalty for Kimi? No. It never even crossed my mind.
So, by default, it's just a racing incident.
But I still hold him responsible for what happened—I think Kimi is the reason Alonso ended up off track.
He didn't mean to, obviously. But when the stakes are this high, I expect drivers to be more careful and show some respect for others on the grid.

And then the haters immediately started jumping on the bandwagon, claiming it was Alonso's fault.

Two things.
1. If this had happened at the start of the season, would people be arguing this hard about it?
2. Why should Kimi drive any differently if he's sitting third in the championship? Doesn't he have the right to race aggressively and go for the title?🤷

Amanda Kelly, just take another really close look at that video stinger posted.

http://videa.hu/videok/sport/f1-2012...d87Sb3Ibg51vQP

If you watch right around the 14-second mark, you can see Kimi is at least halfway alongside Alonso's car. After that point, Kimi
starts to slow down, and if Alonso hadn't made that tiny little swerve to the left, they would have cleared each other without any issues at all.

It doesn't really matter who's to blame at this point—the bottom line is Alonso walked away without any points, and you can't undo that. All we can do now is hope we have enough pace to actually challenge Red Bull in the next few races...

Tyler Bennett5 said:Amanda Kelly, just take another good look at the video stinger posted.

http://videa.hu/videok/sport/f1-2012...d87Sb3Ibg51vQP

Around the 14-second mark, you can see Kimi is at least halfway alongside Alonso's car. After that, Kimi slows down. If Alonso hadn't taken that tiny left turn, they would've cleared each other without any issues.

I’ve watched this clip ten times before anyone even filed a formal complaint.
And honestly, I have some respect for what those who disagree with me are saying. So, I went back and watched it again.

Saying Kimi was slowing down sounds like a bad joke to me. I’d only believe that if there were actual physical evidence—like a log file or telemetry data.

I've spent plenty of time watching Alonso's overly cautious entries into Turn 1, where he loses positions and opportunities. Not every start is perfect, obviously, but from what I see, Alonso is top-tier when it comes to racecraft.
That’s why incidents like this grate on my nerves so much. Given everything else going on, I can't remember the last time I felt this worked up. It actually crossed my mind to just stop watching entirely, which is the first time I've felt that way since the mid-eighties.

I completely agree with you—the only thing that would actually help us right now is getting a look at the telemetry from Kimi's car
so we can finally put this whole incident to bed.