2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th

Jason Campbell70 said:To be fair, they were just working the machines. ☕

Think whatever you want. 🤣🤣🤣

Like I said at the start, the reason Alonso was over a second off his pace during Q3 was simply because he had to navigate a section of the track under yellow flags.

That’s really it.

Quote:It's always someone else's fault. Look, don't take this as me being salty, just saying it's something we should actually worry about. For our own sake.

Jason Campbell70 says: Just gotta point out that massive fail by that Finnish clown... 🙏🙏 🙏 Even Massa wouldn't have pulled an idiotic move like that. In a rainy race, no less. 🙏 🙏 🙏 Hehe, the Finnish clown

Because what happened to Kimi Raikkonen was just a plain old mistake. I've spun out like that myself before without thinking I was screwing over Alonso. Same goes for Kimi. At least, that's how I see it.
🙂 I like Alonso, so if he wins because he's better, fine. But saying stuff like this...
😉 Anyway, looking forward to seeing him get a better starting spot after whatever penalty or whatever happens.
🤷 Wouldn't kill me if Sebastian Vettel won, and I'm hoping Lewis makes the podium too. 🙂
Just like those guys at the start of the post who act like they can't breathe without MSH, me and my buddy are wondering what we'll do when Kimi leaves. This time we'll actually prepare so we aren't caught totally off guard. Thinking between Hamilton and Vettel, probably Lewis.

As for podium surprises? Maybe only Jenson Button pulls something off tomorrow.

Since the decision is already final, it means he didn't slow down through turn 16.
Alonso's slow lap was really just a symptom of a car that wasn't up to pace from the very start of the lap. If you look at his second sector over the whole weekend, Fernando didn't actually lose much ground because of Kimi. He was consistently about four or five tenths slower in that second sector regardless. In his final Q3 lap, he was running 5.5 tenths off the pace, so Kimi isn't really the reason for that gap. It's more like one tenth, maybe two if you're being generous...
There's a chance he could have jumped Perez, but beating Grosjean would be a stretch.

Jason Clark14 said:Hehe, the Finnish free rider🙂
It’s always someone else's fault. Don't take this as a jab, just something worth reflecting on. For your own sake😉
What happened with Kimi was just a plain mistake. I've spun out like that myself without intending to screw over Alonso. Same goes for Kimi. At least, that's my take🤷. I like Alonso; if he's better, let him win, just like anyone else. But saying something like this🙂

Did I ever suggest Kimi did it (on purpose) to mess with Alonso?

Megafacepalm was referring to losing the car twice.
First, he went wide, somehow avoided a spin, and then managed to slide right into the gravel trap like a complete amateur.🙏🙏🙏
Just like Massa at a rainy Silverstone in '08.

Grosjean will probably just pull off cleanly, while the rest of them fight it out on the track or through the pits.
Kimi is making this look way too easy, honestly, like he's already planning his march toward the championship title.
☕

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8cnvSFQLo
Video.

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a penalty here.

Raymond Anderson4 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8cnvSFQLo
Video.

Man, oh man...

A little bit right, then a little bit left.

Verstappen only got a three-place penalty for what he pulled, honestly, they should've just knocked him completely out of the race for that one

Raymond Anderson4 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8cnvSFQLo
Video.

Personally, I don't think he deserves a penalty.

Well, it’s debatable...🤷
If this wasn't happening at a pole position, he almost certainly would've been penalized. Honestly, he should have moved to the right and slowed down completely.😳
Though, it doesn't look like Alonso lost any time there.🤷

It was pretty sketchy, and more about the track layout than an intentional move, but saying it was totally fine and harmless? Yeah, no way.
Weird that it didn't even come up on the broadcast😕 unless I just missed it.🤷

darkmarlin16 said:Verna only got a 3-place penalty? For what he did, they should have sent him straight to the garage.

Yeah, the penalty on Verna was way too light given the infraction.

But it’s not surprising. When they hand out the bare minimum for an obvious rule violation, it gives the stewards an excuse to stay hands-off when things get more subtle.

Following the events in Singapore, it has become painfully obvious who exactly is receiving preferential treatment from the officials in this championship battle.☕

Man, I really like Kamui.😁

I’m crossing my fingers for some chaos on track tomorrow. If he can snag the win, maybe he actually has a shot at staying with Sauber.🙂

Honestly, I find all those claims suggesting that 🤣Fernando Alonso's
championship lead is merely a stroke of luck to be quite misguided.
Regarding Sebastian Vettel's resurgence in the title fight, it's been fascinating to watch. After Lewis Hamilton's car suffered a breakdown during the last race, we find ourselves in a strange situation today where almost every major contender for the win is either facing penalties or saw their qualifying sessions completely ruined because of Kimi Räikkönen.🙏

Gary Smith66 said:So, I keep hearing all this noise about how Fernando Alonso's lead in the championship is just some stroke of pure luck, which is funny if you think about it... I guess people just love a good underdog story or maybe they just don't want to admit he's actually killing it lately. It’s like everyone wants to attribute his success to random chance rather than, you know, actual skill or whatever, though I suppose it's easier to say he just got lucky than to admit he's outperforming the field.🤣
I mean, what can you even say about Sebastian Vettel suddenly being back in the title fight? It’s kind of wild, I guess. With Lewis Hamilton's car basically falling apart after that last race, and now today, it feels like everyone actually standing a chance at winning is either facing some massive penalty or just had their entire qualifying session completely ruined because of Kimi Räikkönen. It’s all a bit chaotic, isn't it?🙏

I don't think I quite caught that, honestly. Maybe I missed something, or maybe my brain just wasn't on the same page, but yeah, I didn't really count them.
I wonder who actually managed to get lucky today... I mean, who was the one that ended up shredding Hamilton's Mercedes, or who's the person responsible for telling Kimi Räikkönen to just go eat a candy bar?
😕

Jack Kelly5 said:I didn't count him.
Who was actually lucky here? Was it the driver who tore up Hamilton's Mercedes, or perhaps the one who ordered Kimi Räikkönen to pull a pirouette?
😕

My only intention in bringing this up was to highlight how utterly nonsensical it is to suggest that Fernando Alonso secured his championship title simply through "luck."

If we follow that flawed logic, then this same supposed "luck" is what supposedly brought Sebastian Vettel back into contention during those last two races.

Gary Smith66 said:I just wanted to point out how ridiculous those stories are about Fernando Alonso winning the championship purely because of "luck."

By that same logic, this supposed "luck" is exactly what supposedly brought Sebastian Vettel right back into the fight during those last two races.

And what about the fact that Alonso benefited from Lewis Hamilton's retirement? 😉
He went from a 37-point lead to a 52-point cushion... and if Hamilton hadn't dropped out, that gap would have almost certainly shrunk to under 30 points.
Plus, who can say for sure that Alonso would have finished ahead of Pastor Maldonado? Given Ferrari's pace at the end of the race and how conservatively he drove just to secure 3rd place, even that wasn't a guarantee.

Grid:

3. Kamui Kobayashi
4. Romain Grosjean
5. Sergio Perez

What does this lineup bring to mind for you? 😁