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shadowstag10 shadowstag10 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#541 ·
Just so we’re all clear—the only reason I stepped up to lead this whole mess was because everyone was losing their minds over how fast the points were being calculated after the Race. And now? Now you’ve got me stuck in this impossible spot where if I decide nobody gets the PP—even though TBF1D is totally right, and honestly, has every reason to walk away from the game entirely—I’m the bad guy. On the flip side, silentbear49 couldn't care less, yet I’ve got Fortin, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 breathing down my neck if I give Valtteri Bottas the PP. So, fine. I'm giving Valtteri Bottas the PP because that’s what the rules say, and that hasn't changed regardless of any recent tweaks.

As for next season, I’m seriously weighing whether I even want to deal with this headache again.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#542 ·
Gregory Brown94 said:It's pretty obvious there’s no real leadership here. Your championship needs a solid set of rules that don't necessarily have to mirror the FIA rulebook.

For instance, you shouldn't be calling it "best in qualifying" instead of just "PP." You need to stick to that. Drivers who have a DNS, get disqualified from qualifying, or take grid penalties aren't legitimate PP winners because that's not what PP means—it signifies the best starting position. A DNS doesn't give you the best starting position since you aren't actually at the front of the grid when the lights go out.

And regarding the FL, it would honestly be better to just count the absolute fastest lap, since that's the only true fastest lap of the race. What seems to be confusing everyone is—well, let me rephrase that—according to F1, a driver earns 1 point for the fastest lap if they finish in the Top10, but that simply means they are the legitimate winner of that point, regardless of the fact that a driver outside the Top10 might actually hold the absolute fastest lap time of the race.

I honestly can't believe these basic things aren't included in your rulebook.

FL/fastest lap is FL/fastest lap. I don't see why we're overcomplicating things here, unless graniteharbor502 is trying to make a point, which is totally missed anyway...

We never tried to guess who gets the official point for the FL during a race; we always guessed who would set the FL or the fastest lap during the race itself...
The rules on this have been around for about 15 years, so I don't get why people are reinventing the wheel regarding this.
Nowhere in the rules does it mention "the driver who earned the point for the FL" or anything similar. We just guess the driver who clocked the fastest lap in the race.

Making this insanely complicated and writing 15 pages of rules is just stupid.
FL is a perfectly clear category, just like PP is.

The only thing that might make sense to add to the rules is: "No prior or subsequent penalties from the FIA are taken into account." Basically, keep it simple: the championship is about guessing the results from the start of the race to the finish line, and that's it...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#543 ·
shadowstag10 said:Just so we’re all clear—the only reason I stepped up to lead this whole mess was because everyone was losing their minds over how fast the points were being calculated after the Race. And now? Now you’ve got me stuck in this impossible spot where if I decide nobody gets the PP—even though TBF1D is totally right, and honestly, has every reason to walk away from the game entirely—I’m the bad guy. On the flip side, silentbear49 couldn't care less, yet I’ve got Fortin, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 breathing down my neck if I give Valtteri Bottas the PP. So, fine. I'm giving Valtteri Bottas the PP because that’s what the rules say, and that hasn't changed regardless of any recent tweaks.

As for next season, I’m seriously weighing whether I even want to deal with this headache again.

Whether you want to be the commissioner or not is entirely up to you.
The call is yours, but don't let people pressure you or mess with the results.

Stick to the rulebook and end the conversation. No matter how much someone tries to act smart or pull linguistic gymnastics, just ignore them and move on.

Bottom line:

graniteharbor502 said:8. What happens if a competitor fails to submit a fresh prediction, or perhaps submits one only after the official deadline has already passed? In such an instance, the "Joker" rule will be triggered. You see, while it is mandatory for every participant to provide a new prediction for every single race, the rules allow for three "Jokers" per season; these are activated automatically whenever someone misses a submission, at which point their most recent official prediction will be credited for those specific races. However, once a player has exhausted all three of their "Jokers," no further points will be awarded to them, meaning they would be required to submit a new prediction if they truly wish to remain in the competition.
If a competitor fails to submit a fresh prediction for two consecutive races, their teammate is granted the authority to remove them from the team if they see fit; should this occur, that individual will simply proceed through the rest of the competition as a solo entrant, unless they explicitly state otherwise.

9. Is there any clarity regarding the protocols for submitting predictions? To ensure everything remains orderly, a participant may only post their predictions using the specific username they utilized when registering for the competition—unless, of course, an administrator has seen fit to modify that handle. Furthermore, we must establish that any participant facing a ban is ineligible to participate in the specific round during which the ban is active. This regulation applies to anyone whose suspension lasts at least until the submission deadline for that particular round; however, an exception exists if the individual managed to submit a fresh prediction prior to the ban being enforced, in which case that prediction will be honored regardless of their status. Additionally, should a banned participant possess an unused Joker prediction and fail to submit a standard entry for the round in question, that Joker prediction will still be applied to their score, just as it would for any other competitor. Does this sufficiently outline the expectations for everyone involved?

10. Is it not a fascinating thought that competitors might move between teams without any restriction whatsoever? In the event that such a transfer occurs, one must consider how the scoring functions; specifically, a competitor does not carry over the collective team points earned during their tenure with a previous squad, though their individual points remain entirely intact. Does this not seem like a fair distinction to maintain? This same logic applies to those who have been eliminated from the competition as well. Essentially, team points begin accumulating anew from the very moment a fresh team is established, whereas a simple change in a team's name carries no weight regarding the point totals. Each team is permitted two name changes throughout the duration of the season, yet prior to the start of the season, they may alter their designation as often as they see fit. Is there not a certain freedom in that level of flexibility?

11. If a participant chooses to include a driver in their prediction who doesn't actually appear on the official FIA entry list for a specific race, will they receive any points for that selection? The answer is a firm no; if the driver isn't part of the official roster, they simply don't count. Furthermore, one cannot claim points for drivers omitted from their submitted ranking, regardless of how logical or seemingly necessary it might feel to have left a specific individual out. The scoring process follows the exact positions a participant assigns to their chosen drivers; therefore, should there be a clerical error or a typo in those numerical rankings, the standings will be calculated strictly according to the numbers provided, however flawed they may be. If certain positions are left blank, no points will be awarded for them. Additionally, if a participant happens to list the same position number or the same driver more than once, all points associated with those duplicate entries will be forfeited entirely. What occurs if someone lists more drivers than would normally be expected to start a race under standard circumstances? In such an instance, no points will be granted for those surplus drivers or extra positions. For any driver where a position hasn't been specified, they shall be treated as NOP. However, if the entire ranking is submitted without any position numbers at all, the list will be processed as a ranking without any NOPs. Is it not essential that we maintain this level of precision to ensure fairness for everyone involved?

12. Is it not worth noting that copying someone else's prediction is strictly prohibited? It is a matter we take quite seriously, though we only move to investigate and issue penalties if a participant files a formal complaint, and even then, only once the deadline for submitting predictions on this thread has officially passed. For those wondering what constitutes plagiarism in this context, it is defined as posting more than 75% of the drivers—including all groups, rounded up to the nearest whole number—in the exact same positions as another prediction already submitted for that specific race. Naturally, any previous predictions being utilized as Jokers are excluded from this calculation. Should anyone be found guilty of such copying, the penalty is straightforward: the prediction will simply be disregarded entirely.

13. How exactly are the standings calculated? Well, they are determined strictly based on the official results released by the FIA immediately following the conclusion of the race—that initial preliminary order is what counts. Any subsequent corrections or adjustments made by the FIA after that moment are simply not taken into account for our purposes. As for the Non-Points scorers, we consider any driver listed on the official FIA entry list who fails to secure a finishing position, regardless of whether their status is marked as a DNF, NC, or Retired. Furthermore, if we look at the standard FIA regulations, a driver is technically considered to have retired if they complete less than 90% of the total race distance. And of course, the race itself consists of however many laps the FIA deems necessary, whether they decide that through their standard procedure or via some extraordinary ruling.
Drivers who fail to qualify during the qualifying sessions and therefore do not participate in the race will be calculated as NOP, provided they were officially included on the FIA entry list.

3. Should any controversial situation arise during the competition that isn't explicitly covered by the specific points within these Regulations, the Race Director shall make the final call, relying upon common sense and adhering to the fundamental moral principle of fair play. These Regulations take effect upon their publication within the Championship thread designated for rules and standings, though they may be subject to amendments if, as the season progresses, it becomes evident that such changes are absolutely necessary to ensure the smooth and effective operation of the competition.

4. It remains possible to replace the Race Director at any point during the competition, should a majority of the competitors elect a new director who is willing to accept the position. In much the same manner, any disputed rules may be modified, though under no circumstances can such changes be applied retroactively to previous events.

Is it not perfectly clear in the rules?
It says exactly what to follow, and there's no need to overthink who's happy or unhappy.
Follow the rules and that's that.
If people can't manage to read them, just tell them to go read the rules and leave it at that.

At the end of the day, this rule was written specifically so individuals couldn't harass the commissioners...
The commissioner has the final word, and if they turn out to be incompetent, they can easily be replaced... but one or two people definitely can't make that happen.
shadowstag10 shadowstag10 Active Member
223 messages
joined Sep 2011
#544 ·
Final results from the Turkish GP
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
360 messages
joined Mar 2008
#545 ·
shadowstag10 said:Just so we’re all clear—the only reason I stepped up to lead this whole mess was because everyone was losing their minds over how fast the points were being calculated after the Race. And now? Now you’ve got me stuck in this impossible spot where if I decide nobody gets the PP—even though TBF1D is totally right, and honestly, has every reason to walk away from the game entirely—I’m the bad guy. On the flip side, silentbear49 couldn't care less, yet I’ve got Fortin, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 breathing down my neck if I give Valtteri Bottas the PP. So, fine. I'm giving Valtteri Bottas the PP because that’s what the rules say, and that hasn't changed regardless of any recent tweaks.

As for next season, I’m seriously weighing whether I even want to deal with this headache again.

Sure, we’re all incredibly grateful. It works fast, stays organized, and looks clean—honestly. So, 👍, big thanks.

shadowstag10 said:Just so we’re all clear—the only reason I stepped up to lead this whole mess was because everyone was losing their minds over how fast the points were being calculated after the Race. And now? Now you’ve got me stuck in this impossible spot where if I decide nobody gets the PP—even though TBF1D is totally right, and honestly, has every reason to walk away from the game entirely—I’m the bad guy. On the flip side, silentbear49 couldn't care less, yet I’ve got Fortin, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 breathing down my neck if I give Valtteri Bottas the PP. So, fine. I'm giving Valtteri Bottas the PP because that’s what the rules say, and that hasn't changed regardless of any recent tweaks.

As for next season, I’m seriously weighing whether I even want to deal with this headache again.

Good grief, I'm not whining. I just disagree with the rule; I think it's a bad fix. The voting makes that pretty obvious.
But hey, like some people said, my ignorance is my own damn problem.
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
405 messages
joined Nov 2003
#546 ·
shadowstag10 said:Just so we’re all clear—the only reason I stepped up to lead this whole mess was because everyone was losing their minds over how fast the points were being calculated after the Race. And now? Now you’ve got me stuck in this impossible spot where if I decide nobody gets the PP—even though TBF1D is totally right, and honestly, has every reason to walk away from the game entirely—I’m the bad guy. On the flip side, silentbear49 couldn't care less, yet I’ve got Fortin, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 breathing down my neck if I give Valtteri Bottas the PP. So, fine. I'm giving Valtteri Bottas the PP because that’s what the rules say, and that hasn't changed regardless of any recent tweaks.

As for next season, I’m seriously weighing whether I even want to deal with this headache again.

Well, we're all grateful to you for taking on that messy, less-than-glamorous job.😁👍

Now you’ve put me in a spot where if I decide nobody—or maybe Hamilton—gets the PP, then TBF1D, who is right in my opinion and has good reason to say he doesn't want to play anymore, gets sidelined. On the other hand, I guess silentbear49 doesn't really care either while graniteharbor502, Amanda Kelly, and darkmarlin16 start complaining if I give the PP to Valtteri Bottas.

😁 I mean, honestly, that's probably just the classic difference between high-conflict personalities and everyone else.🤣

All jokes aside, just know you're doing a great job. Thanks for the effort, and don't let it get to you.😍
stormytiger4 stormytiger4 Active Member
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#547 ·
I honestly think you're doing an awesome job here, and I’d feel the exact same way regardless of how this whole situation blew up.
Let's all grab a drink after the season wraps up and hash it out—we can decide if the majority actually wants to go back to using qualifying times instead of the starting grid. 👍
shadowstag10 shadowstag10 Active Member
223 messages
joined Sep 2011
#548 ·
Tomorrow at 8:00 PM is the deadline to get those predictions in.
For now, I’m gonna exercise my right to stick with my old prediction—but hey, if I actually manage to sober up by tomorrow night, maybe I'll send over something based on the actual practice sessions.
stormytiger4 stormytiger4 Active Member
148 messages
joined Feb 2020
#549 ·
1. Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Valtteri Bottas
4. Lando Norris
5. Sergio Perez
6. Charles Leclerc
7. Pierre Gasly
8. Carlos Sainz
9. Daniel Ricciardo
10. Sebastian Vettel
11. Fernando Alonso
12. Esteban Ocon
13. روس
14. Lance Stroll
15. Kimi Räikkönen
16. Yuki Tsunoda
17. Antonio Giovinazzi
18. Mick Schumacher
19. Nicholas Latifi
20. MAZ

PP Hamilton
FL Hamilton
briskhound76 briskhound76 Active Member
74 messages
joined Nov 2009
#550 ·
USA

1. Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Sergio Perez

4. Valtteri Bottas
5. Charles Leclerc
6. Lando Norris
7. Carlos Sainz
8. Daniel Ricciardo
9. Lance Stroll
10. Pierre Gasly

11. Esteban Ocon
2. Gio Russell
13. Kimi Räikkönen
14. Sebastian Vettel
15. Russian driver
16. Nicholas Latifi

NOP MAZ
NOP:MSC
NOP:ALO
NOP.TSU

PP:Hamilton
FL: Hamilton
Jason Parker2 Jason Parker2 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2019
#551 ·
1. Hamilton

2. Verstappen

3. Perez

4. Norris

5. Leclerc

6. Ricciardo

7. Bottas

8. Sainz

9. Gasly

10. Ocon

11. Alonso

12. Stroll

13. Vettel

14. Russell

15. Tsunoda

16. Raikkonen

17. Giovinazzi

18. MSC NOP

19. Latifi

NOP: MAZ

PP Hamilton

FL Hamilton
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
206 messages
joined Mar 2003
#552 ·
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Valtteri Bottas
4. Sergio Perez
5. Charles Leclerc
6. Norris
7. Sainz
8. Daniel Ricciardo
9. Gasly
10. Alonso
11. Ocon
12. Vettel
13. Giovinazzi
14. Tsunoda
15. Rus
16. Raikkonen
17. Latifi
18. MSC
19. MAZ
NOP: STR
PP: HAM
FL: HAM
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 RegularOP
443 messages
joined Apr 2016
#553 ·
USA GP

1. Max Verstappen
2. Sergio Perez
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Valtteri Bottas
5. Lando Norris
6. Charles Leclerc
7. Daniel Ricciardo
8. Lance Stroll
9. Pierre Gasly
10. Sebastian Vettel
11. Esteban Ocon
16. Kimi Räikkönen
13. Pierre Gasly
14. Kimi Räikkönen
15. Nicholas Latifi
16. MSC 17.
17. MAZ

NOP SAI
NOP TSU
NOP ALO

PP Max Verstappen
FL Max Verstappen
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
1K messages
joined Nov 2015
#554 ·
1. Hamilton

2. Verstappen

3. Bottas

4. Sainz

5. Leclerc

6. Perez

7. Ricciardo

8. Gasly

9. Norris

10. Alonso

11. Ocon

12. Vettel

13. Stroll

14. Giovinazzi

15. Tsunoda

16. Raikkonen

17. Russell

18. Latifi

19. Leclerc

DNF MAZ

PP Hamilton

FL Hamilton
cosmicridge5 cosmicridge5 Regular
405 messages
joined Nov 2003
#555 ·
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Perez
4. Bottas
5. Leclerc
6. Norris
7. Sainz
8. Ricciardo
9. Alonso
10. Ocon
11. Stroll
12. Gasly
13. Vettel
14. Tsunoda
15. Räikkönen
16. Giovinazzi
17. MSC NOP
18. Russell
19. Latifi
20. MAZ

PP - Hamilton
FL - Verstappen
vividlynx68 vividlynx68 Active Member
118 messages
joined Apr 2008
#556 ·
Looks like I missed out on an interesting discussion 😁

1. Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Valtteri Bottas

4. Charles Leclerc
5. Sergio Perez
6. Lando Norris
7. Pierre Gasly
8. Sebastian Vettel
9. Carlos Sainz
10. Daniel Ricciardo

11. Esteban Ocon
12. Fernando Alonso
13. Yuki Tsunoda
14. Gio Russell
15. Kimi Räikkönen
16. Kimi Räikkönen
17. MSC

NOP: MAZ, LAT, STR

PP: Valtteri Bottas
FL: Max Verstappen
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
149 messages
joined May 2019
#557 ·
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Valtteri Bottas

4. Sergio Perez
5. Lando Norris
6. Charles Leclerc
7. Carlos Sainz
8. Pierre Gasly
9. Fernando Alonso
10. روس

11. Esteban Ocon
12. Pierre Gasly
13. Nicholas Latifi
14. Lance Stroll
15. Valtteri Bottas
16. Yuki Tsunoda
17. Mick Schumacher

MSC NOP;. Charles Leclerc
MSC NOP;. Sebastian Vettel
MSC NOP;. MAZ

PP;. Lewis Hamilton

FL;. Lewis Hamilton
ruggedscout76 ruggedscout76 Active Member
66 messages
joined Aug 2021
#558 ·
1. Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Sergio Perez
4. Valtteri Bottas
5. Charles Leclerc
6. Daniel Ricciardo
7. SAI
8. VET
9. ALO
10. RUS
11. OCO
12. GIO
13. LAT
14. STR
15. RAI
16. TSU
17. MSC 17.
18. MAZ

NOP NOR GAS
PP Hamilton
FL Hamilton
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
360 messages
joined Mar 2008
#559 ·
1. Hamilton
2. Max Verstappen
3. Sergio Perez

4. Valtteri Bottas
5. Charles Leclerc
6. Carlos Sainz
7. Lando Norris
8. Daniel Ricciardo
9. Lance Stroll
10. Fernando Alonso

11. Pierre Gasly
12. Esteban Ocon
13. Gio Russell
14. Yuki Tsunoda
15. Valtteri Bottas
16. Sebastian Vettel

17. Russian driver
18. Nicholas Latifi
19. MSC NOP
20. MAZ

PP: Hamilton
FL: Hamilton
shadowstag10 shadowstag10 Active Member
223 messages
joined Sep 2011
#560 ·
Check out the results at the link below:

USA GP

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