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shadowpanther9 shadowpanther9 Member
17 messages
joined Sep 2011
#901 ·
Elizabeth Mendoza5 said:http://hrhb.info/showthread.php?t=530
Originally posted by 100s
Everything this Nikša guy is saying in the article when they ask him about the Black Knights is everything. I’ve known this stuff by heart for a very long time. "Young fans, kamikazes, throwing themselves into the fray, falling down, getting back up," and so on. The title "mystic old school hooligans" is actually quite fitting; back then, there weren't many photos or anything, just stories and recounts that you can easily imagine. When this was happening, I was just a little over ten years old, and the Black Knights were my only heroes—the reason I started showing up to games a year or two later. At my first game, I was with my group in the North stands, and it was an absolute spectacle, like being at Olympique de Marseille! To some people, local legends were heroes, to others Superman, or famous bikers, or a father or older brother figure, or even famous soccer players; for me, it was the rivalry against the coast and our Black Knights. All these articles discussing the Black Knights from that match and the Marseille trip should be featured on the front page of all our fan sites, and for a while, that should be all we talk about. If you don't recognize this, you aren't part of the Black Knights. Unfortunately, subsequent generations became part of the movement because of the parties, the circus, the folk festivities, or just being from the region. I could never understand or accept that a hardcore supporter group like the Black Knights once was could turn into nothing more than thirty-meter banners carried by every small town in the country. It's tragic that the number one hooligan and ultra group in all of Central and Eastern Europe became synonymous with celebrations, carnivals, some random fan shouting drunk in a jersey, or a fairground atmosphere at the stadium where everyone just shouts "Black Knights are the best." It's been a massive journey in barely ten years—from the kamikazes whom journalists painted as villains, mothers fearing their kids would run into the White Boys, the media lynchings, and the club being intimidated, while all other fans deeply respected and admired us... to the carnival stage, the rural vibe, the "Black Knights are the best" slogans, the beatings in Washington, D.C. by the ZG hooligans, the traveling circus, the cheap fan gear, the media adoration, and all that slimy sentimentality. Even today, while things are rapidly returning to the right path, there are still far too many of these others among us—well over half. Until when? And why? If you weren't there for the big matches, you aren't one of the Black Knights!

A copy from the forum; hopefully, someone will understand what the man was trying to say.🙂

👍👍
briskwolf39 briskwolf39 Member
36 messages
joined Feb 2012
#902 ·
Honestly, I think it would be best if everyone just focused on their own business and dealt with their own issues instead of obsessing over Fred Perry, everyone's noses, or all this constant bickering...😉
Grace Smith3 Grace Smith3 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2016
#903 ·
The last few pages here have been an absolute embarrassment... honestly, what kind of nonsense is this? What color are your sneakers? 🤦 It feels like a topic meant for sixth graders, but fine, whatever...

But more importantly, I find it incredibly foolish how everyone here insists on airing every single little group grievance, no matter how trivial or insignificant they might be. Those kinds of discussions should happen at official meetings, from the bleachers at the stadium, or even just over drinks with the crew at the local club—certainly not here on a public forum.
Charles Bishop48 Charles Bishop48 Member
10 messages
joined Sep 2011
#904 ·
Sean Sullivan87 said:Honestly, it’s just pure stupidity seeing everyone dump their group grievances here, no matter how tiny or completely irrelevant they are. Look, if you’ve got issues, take them to the meetings, bring them up at the stands, or vent about them while grabbing a beer with the crew at the local clubhouse. This isn't the place for that kind of drama. A forum like this? Not happening.

So, let’s talk about the real issue here: is it actually a problem with the individual ultras, or is the entire group just fundamentally broken? I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit lately. When things go sideways at the stadium, everyone loves to point fingers at a few rogue fans and call it a day. But honestly? That’s a lazy way to look at it. If you’ve got a situation where the same patterns keep repeating—the same chaos, the same tension, the same clashes with security—you can't just blame a couple of guys in hoodies. At some point, you have to look at the culture of the whole organization. If the core values of the group are built on friction rather than actual support for the team, then the "problem" isn't an outlier. It's the foundation. You can't fix a systemic issue by just picking off individuals. It's deeper than that.😂🤣🤣 🤷
Larry Campbell33 Larry Campbell33 Active Member
102 messages
joined Feb 2012
#905 ·
Man, what even is this? Honestly, nobody knows what’s going on anymore because one person is rambling about Bergman, someone else is talking about Fred Perry, and then there's a third person bringing up something totally random... honestly, the energy in the stands was just a little off this time, but it’ll be better next time and that’s really all there is to it, so Mukt, please don't go trying to compare the Black Knights to you guys, because our numbers didn't drop just because our Hajduk played poorly, it was mostly because of the Codex and how things are looking for Our Hajduk this year.

As for those "agents" you guys keep mentioning, all I'll say is that the Black Knights are the only group out of the big four that actually managed to distance themselves from that nonsense, whereas for some other groups, it basically destroyed them entirely!!!!
jademarlin54 jademarlin54 Active Member
131 messages
joined Feb 2012
#906 ·
Larry Campbell33 said:Man, what is even happening here? Honestly, nothing makes sense anymore. One group is talking about Bergman, another is obsessing over Fred Perry, then someone else brings up something totally different... I mean, look, the cheering was just a little lackluster this time around, but it’ll be better next time, right? That's really all there is to it. And Mukt, please, don't go trying to compare the Black Knights to people like you. Our numbers aren't growing because Hajduk Split is playing poorly or anything—it's mostly because of the Codex and how we support Our Hajduk this year.

As for those supposed "agents" you guys keep bringing up... I'll just say this: the Black Knights are basically the only one of the Big Four that actually managed to set some boundaries and distance themselves from that stuff, whereas for some other groups, that whole situation just completely destroyed them!!!!

Well written, though I'm pretty sure the growth in numbers isn't actually because of Our Hajduk.
silverbear38 silverbear38 Newcomer
1 message
joined May 2013
#907 ·
Larry Campbell33 said:Good grief, what is even happening here? Honestly, nothing makes sense anymore; one person is rambling on about Bergman, another is obsessed with Fred Perry, and a third is talking about something else entirely. Look, the atmosphere at the game was just a little lackluster this time around, but things will improve next time, plain and simple. And you, Mukt, please stop trying to compare the Black Knights to people like you. Our surge in membership isn't because Hajduk Split is playing poorly—far from it—it’s almost entirely due to the Codex and the current state of Our Hajduk this year.

As for those supposed "agents" you keep bringing up, I’ll just say this: the Black Knights are the only group among the Big Four that actually managed to distance themselves from that nonsense, whereas for some other groups, it ended up being their total undoing!!!!

Who knows what tomorrow holds for you...
Larry Campbell33 Larry Campbell33 Active Member
102 messages
joined Feb 2012
#908 ·
Look, it’s not really because of NH, it’s definitely down to the Codex
And what do you think is actually driving that spike in numbers
boldranger boldranger Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2012
#909 ·
I can't believe we're still talking about sneakers, jackets, and socks...
🤦
Before the thread got locked, I spent way too much time reading mindless posts about fashion. Just people arguing over designs or guessing prices like they're listening to Mar and Kate gossiping over coffee on a sunny pier, acting all happy because they look better than the hated Anna and Ivo and managed to snag some gear right under their noses.

It's pathetic. Honestly. What kind of person shows up to the stands? It doesn't matter if you're wearing Fred Perry, some alternative brand, or a shirt with a cartoon logo.
What matters is that you show up and support the team. You're in the North Stand, not stuck at home watching an Augsburg vs. Hertha match on TV. If someone doesn't know where they belong, they'll either figure it out eventually or just stop showing up.
The posers annoy me too—and I don't mean the Fred Perry or Lonsdale crowd, I mean the actual vanity seekers—but there aren't even that many of them at the big derbies anyway.
But what's the alternative? Should we kick people out along with the cops? This is about education. If someone doesn't want to learn, fine. They can stay a casual fan.

As for the other idiots and the useless bickering, this forum isn't meant for airing dirty laundry, but clearly, some people just love hitting keys out of pure spite...

And a question for this anti-ultra guy: who exactly are you fighting?
You're standing against something you don't even understand. You think you know your enemies? Your real enemies are sitting in comfy armchairs, not standing next to you in the stands. They wear ties while the ultras you hate are out there actually working for the club you both claim to support.
Are you actually loyal, or are you just trying to carve out some vague identity for yourself? Trust me, all those people you attack to prove you're a "bigger fan" aren't hanging out in the West Stand or East End derbies; they're in the smoky North Stand. When they aren't there, they're in Washington, D.C., Indianapolis, or Holy Cross, preaching their little philosophies.
Understanding the ultra mentality is a much bigger challenge than dealing with the party crowd.
Your real rival, Fred Perry, will be rocking high-quality gear in the North Stand even when the weather is perfect, while your average "look at my local pride shirt" guy stays home, spends the night getting ready for a party, and forgets all about Our Hajduk until the next big match against Roma, Zenith, or whatever else is happening.
Betty Perez2 Betty Perez2 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2010
#910 ·
What a bunch of mindless arguments, honestly.

From here on out, everyone just stick to trousers and boxers—and strictly no sneakers.
Frank Kim26 Frank Kim26 Active Member
86 messages
joined Sep 2011
#911 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5irAZ...&feature=share
something a bit different here, pretty chill vibes
Sophia Johnson24 Sophia Johnson24 Newcomer
2 messages
joined May 2014
#912 ·
Frank Kim26 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5irAZ...&feature=share
check this out, it’s actually pretty different, nothing trashy

Personally, I dig it. The rhythm is a bit offbeat compared to the usual stuff and they aren't just recycling those tired old clichés in the lyrics. Plus, the visuals are killer.🙏
Morgan Sanchez64 Morgan Sanchez64 Active Member
114 messages
joined Sep 2012
#913 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idb4YIXBk5M
cosmiclynx7 cosmiclynx7 Member
25 messages
joined Feb 2012
#914 ·
Anyway, let’s move away from all those depressing topics for a second...
Does anyone here know why they won't try to get these letters read out loud at the stadium?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMrTgUVHzKY
wearyraven25 wearyraven25 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Feb 2022
#915 ·
369infanterie said:The only thing you people do here is bicker about your own identity while we just sit back and share what we've actually experienced.

Who's talking about what? You city elites arguing about identity?
Group identity is the very last thing we should be debating here. You've changed it so many times that you’ve completely lost yourselves in the process... you don't even know if you're going to be those rough-and-tumble northern types—beer, fights, and grit—or just some pale imitation of Southerners with massive banners and 200 guys standing on placards with streamers draped over the North Stand.
Are there going to be 200 real ones because anyone who isn't with us can go to hell, or are you going to pivot toward mass appeal and a "positive image" just to pull in the crowds, so that alongside the 200 real fans, you'll have 2,000 former "posers" tagging along.
Will we adopt this new ultra trend of wearing plaid, or are we going to stick to the old school and our sacred traditions?!
Are we going to light flares because it's a middle finger to repression, or are we going to quit that nonsense because it's just a predictable pattern. I mean, there was one year where flares were lit at every away game just to make certain individuals look like martyrs, but once those same people realized they were the ones taking all the heat and backed off, suddenly it wasn't a "pattern" anymore.

Tell me any part of this isn't true; go ahead, try to deny it. If you're just going to keep arguing in the same pathetic way you always do, then don't even bother replying.

Once again, you've drifted so much trying to define who you are that you are truly the last group that has any right to complain, lecture us, or act superior.

Best regards and a message to everyone: LONG LIVE THE FANS!
Nathan Nguyen79 Nathan Nguyen79 Member
12 messages
joined Sep 2011
#916 ·
cosmiclynx7 said:Look, let’s pivot away from these garbage topics for a second...
Can someone explain why they aren't trying to get this message heard at the stadium?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMrTgUVHzKY

Honestly, this stuff is top-tier, and it’s actually got some weight behind it too... It's a damn shame they aren't pushing this through.
velvetskipper52 velvetskipper52 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2012
#917 ·
Just looking for some info, does anyone know what happened to that Asphaltos banner
Mark Carter10 Mark Carter10 Active Member
60 messages
joined Sep 2011
#918 ·
rizla-wb-1950 said:Building on what you said—first off, you shouldn't be jealous of the older generations. You should be proud because you're carrying on a tradition someone else started long ago. Sure, nobody was a superhero back then, not even in the Black Knights, but we have to realize those were different times. We should respect that. Back then, people would travel two days just to get to a game without cell phones. Going to away games was unorganized, and honestly, half the kids today wouldn't last a day in those shoes. Why? Because I’ve seen the shift from '89 until now. Today's atmosphere is lightyears ahead of how it used to be, which is better, but I'm also certain today's crowd has much less grit. Whether people like my take or not, that's just how I see it.

Bravo. So, traveling to New York was way easier back then!? 🙄🙄
That’s why our buses used to roll in alongside the other American groups. 🙂

@369infanterie > Next time you post in this thread, try using actual grammar and proper English. 🤣 🙂
George Castillo142 George Castillo142 Member
46 messages
joined Feb 2012
#919 ·
Does anyone actually have a clue why we got slapped with this penalty while Los Angeles FC gets a free pass?
Betty Perez2 Betty Perez2 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2010
#920 ·
George Castillo142 said:Does anyone actually know why we got slapped with a fine for this Iowa situation while LA FC got off scot-free?

Maybe it’s because LA FC was technically playing away, even though they were officially listed as the home team against Iowa—but who really knows in this absolute circus.

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