Why does Reddit smell like Clorox?

The spark that lit this whole fire was getting flagged on Reddit with a note claiming I was just trolling. My gut reaction was to file a formal complaint immediately. Honestly, I was pretty incensed because the post itself was written with such genuine good intentions—even if it drifted a bit off-topic, much like the responses that followed it. Here’s what it looked like:

Jason Morgan said:Hey, wanderingbadger44,

I just saw that I picked up an infraction over on Reddit.

It feels like someone is just trolling at this point.
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This violation carries a 35-point penalty, which could lead to a temporary suspension of your account access until the period lapses. Please keep in mind that more severe infractions are permanent and will never expire.

Original Post:
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about how we navigate our lives, much like how a seasoned sailor might read the subtle shifts in the wind before a storm hits. It often feels as though we are just drifting, waiting for some external force to dictate our direction, rather than taking the helm ourselves. There is a certain weight to realizing that the choices we make today are the very stones we are laying for the foundation of our future selves. It isn't always easy to see the pattern while you're still in the middle of the work, but I truly believe that if we approach every decision with intention, we can eventually look back and see a path that was built with purpose rather than just accidental steps.

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I can't quite wrap my head around why someone would feel the need to hide behind a mask like that. It feels a bit like trying to build a real connection through a frosted window; you might see the shape of the person, but you never truly get to know the soul underneath. kaže: I just didn't have any other choice in the matter. 😁🤣 It’s got more weight behind it than you do, wouldn't you say? 😍 Look, if you need some comfort, here it is: hardly anyone even notices. Most people aren't really reading your posts anyway, much like how most folks just scroll past headlines without ever actually absorbing the story. 🤣 It feels like they're just throwing around abstract nouns and burying everything under these massive, convoluted sentences filled with foreign jargon—it’s almost like they’re trying to pass off academic white papers as actual communication. 🙂 For those of us who actually take the time to read, if we can somehow manage to pierce through that thick layer of meta-language you've built up to find the actual point, it becomes pretty obvious that what happened was just a slip of the tongue. Wishing you nothing but the best. Reddit

At first, I just assumed the moderator had completely misread my point—that they’d somehow projected a malicious intent onto my words that simply wasn't there. But then the thought hit me: if someone lacks the basic ability to comprehend what's being said, perhaps they shouldn't be in a position of authority at all. That realization stung, and in a moment of pure frustration, I fired off two heated direct messages to the moderator, which resulted in me getting banned. Their response was essentially a jab implying that I should be mindful of my own reputation, though I honestly don't see how one's standing in a community serves as a valid metric for moderation. Regardless, let's move past that; I'll just use this whole ordeal as a jumping-off point to discuss something else that has been weighing heavily on my mind for quite some time.

I’m honestly just wondering if anyone—whether it’s the owner, the admins, the leadership, or even the regular users—actually cares about this platform turning into a space where political correctness, boredom, and total sterility are the norm, creating this bland, uninspired environment defined by a forced politeness that feels fake and, ultimately, just plain stupid under the guise of following community guidelines.

When a serious discussion stretches across twenty-five pages and involves about ten regulars who have pretty much laid all their cards on the table, the conversation naturally starts to lose its edge. Once everyone has shared their perspective, people tend to relax and drift into lighter, more casual territory that isn't strictly tied to the original subject. In those moments, if nobody is being offensive or rude, should we really be labeling those side comments as off-topic, spam, or trolling?

I honestly can't wrap my head around this sudden push to put a moratorium on sterilization.

I honestly find it pretty stifling because it kills any sense of genuine, spontaneous conversation you might want to have on a site like Reddit. It’s tough to really open up when you're constantly looking over your shoulder, worrying that if your post isn't a direct, literal answer to a headline like "I slept with him, am I pregnant??!!"—and I'm exaggerating there, obviously—it'll just be flagged as trolling, spam, or some other kind of off-topic nonsense.

I can see why moderators would find it easy and comfortable to manage threads like the one that’s been sitting at the top of Reddit for weeks about zodiac signs, but honestly, those kinds of topics just bore me. It makes me wonder, why don't we see any interesting discussions anymore, not just on Reddit but everywhere?

It seems to me that whenever a thread pops up that actually catches my interest, there’s always someone showing up with warnings and this intense, almost overwhelming passion for scrubbing, deleting, and punishing people. It really suffocates that sense of immediacy, spontaneity, and relaxed, easygoing writing that makes a community feel alive.

To me, the whole site is starting to smell more and more like Clorox because some mods are constantly pouring it over everything in an attempt to keep posts sterile, strictly on-topic, dry, clean, and politically—or just generally—correct. It’s just dull.🙄

It wasn't always like this, though. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic for the good old days, or perhaps I've simply grown tired of this forum.🤷

What do you all think?

edit: I just noticed dustyranger64's warning on that specific thread. I really don't want dustyranger64 to think I was targeting him with this post. I think he's great.

Get it together.

I have a question. 😍

If Jack were to walk in here today, round up a handful of moderators, and suggest we sit down to map out a unified vision for where this community should head, what direction would you actually want us to take?

Let me say, myself. ovaj post I remember writing this back in 2004 with a grin on my face, but if I posted it today, I’d probably get banned for trolling.

Walter said:I went snooping through my wife's things exactly once, and I can promise you right now: I am never doing it again.
I had a nagging suspicion brewing. Something just wasn't adding up—her responses felt vague, almost evasive. Then she starts giggling at her phone, deep in conversation with someone. I couldn't tell who it was, but the way she was responding sounded suspiciously like she was flirting with a man. Naturally, my internal alarm bells started ringing. To shake things off, she headed out to the garden. When I finally followed her out there, I found her just standing there, watering the plants. Watering the flowers... right. If that’s what we're calling it now.🙄
My first thought was that she’d buried something out in the yard—maybe some old letters, printed messages, or even some forgotten voicemails or emails. I just played dumb, acting like I hadn't noticed a thing, and waited for her to leave.
The moment she walked out, I grabbed a shovel and started digging through her things. First, I dug through her carrots. Nothing. Just a few earthworms. Fine. Then I moved on to the strawberries. Still nothing! Dammit, that actually started to get under my skin. Next, I dug through the roses and carnations. I mean, she owns a florist shop, but forget about work for now—the flowers will recover.
Once again, I have come up with absolutely nothing. I realized my mistake far too late; in a fit of pragmatism, I decided to just return everything as it was. Since horticulture isn't exactly my area of expertise, let's just say I ended up burying the carrots upside down.
And of course, she saw right through me. I tried to claim it wasn't my doing, but rather the work of a squirrel. Of course, that was a poor excuse—it was mid-winter, and squirrels don't exactly hang around the neighborhood in this weather; they’ve all migrated south to somewhere like Florida to find some warmth. I really should have thought that one through more carefully.
I decided to be completely upfront about it: I admitted that I’d been snooping through her things. My search was primarily focused on her collection of carrots and strawberries, along with her roses and carnations. Shortly after that, I headed off on a two-month vacation and spent my time popping some heavy-duty pills.

By all means, let’s continue encouraging this level of "communication" with customer service reps. It’s truly exemplary: "Good morning, I need some supplemental coverage. Here is my form, here is my policy number. Thank you, goodbye." Just brilliant.

Maybe you should just rename Reddit to "The Bureaucracy Strikes Back." That way, anyone hoping to have a relaxed conversation or crack a joke would know immediately that messing around with the administrators is strictly forbidden, and any hint of irony would result in an immediate fine. Or would even suggesting that be considered trolling, meaning we’d all just end up banning ourselves? 😁

wiredfalcon2 said:Get a grip.

I’d love to.

Would you be a sweetheart and help me out by explaining, as if I’ve never even heard the term before, what exactly "trolling" means?

I think it would be much easier for me to wrap my head around things if we could just strip away all the layers and look at the core definition. It’s like if I had read up on a topic and gathered all the facts, yet I still found myself struggling to grasp the true essence or how people actually apply it in conversation.

Otherwise, I’m going to be stuck with a pretty unpleasant theory: that the moderators just label something as trolling whenever they decide they don't like a user with a high reputation score.

I’ve come to the conclusion that trolling is essentially just posting things you don't actually believe.

I realize that true trolling would involve me actively campaigning for something horrific—like advocating for the Holocaust (which obviously crosses the line into hate speech, but I can't be bothered to invent more extreme examples right now)—or perhaps starting a thread about postpartum sepsis and then pretending to "die" mid-conversation. However, there is another concept that we have always referred to in real-life social circles simply as irony. 😁 There are even published authors, celebrated classics of literature, who utilize this technique. Are they considered trolls too? 😁

wanderingbadger44 said:Look, if a serious discussion hits page 25 and there are about ten regulars who have basically said everything they need to say, the topic naturally winds down. People relax. They start posting stuff that isn't strictly about the debate. Does that really have to be flagged as off-topic, spam, or trolling, as long as nobody is being rude or offensive?

If a topic is serious, it stays serious. We have plenty of lighthearted threads where we can joke around, use irony, or throw some banter, as long as it ties back to the subject eventually.

My deepest apologies that we want to keep a single monthly thread focused on being constructive and meaningful.

wanderingbadger44 said:It’s obvious to me that moderators find it easiest to manage threads like that one that sits at the top of Reddit for weeks: Zodiac signs and all that. But honestly? Those topics are boring. Why aren't there any interesting discussions anymore? Not just on Reddit, but anywhere.

Oh! So *you're* bored. Well, thank God you told us. That changes everything.
From now on, I guess we'll just open and close threads based on whether wanderingbadger44 finds them dull or not.
🙂
If you're craving something more interesting, just hit "new thread" and start it yourself.

Linda Price5 said:Sure, it’s perfectly fine to insist on communication that feels like talking to a DMV clerk: "Good morning, I'd like to renew my license," "Here's the form," "Here's the clipboard," "Thanks, bye."

Maybe you should just rename this place "The DMV Attack Zone." That way, anyone trying to be a little more relaxed or crack a joke knows that messing around with the clerks is a crime, and even a hint of irony gets you penalized. Or would that be considered trolling too? Would we get banned for that? 😁

Reddit is pretty "chill" when it comes to moderation. Try posting like that in a history or psychology sub.
There is plenty of irony allowed here. My sincere apologies that things have to stay on track and that every thread doesn't have a giant "CHAT ROOM" sign next to it.
Don't act all high and mighty with 5,000 posts under your belt claiming irony is punishable. It's not. Maybe go look up the definition of irony?

Thanks much, bye.

wanderingbadger44 said:I'd love to.

1) "If a serious discussion hits page 25 and there are maybe ten different users involved who have basically said everything they had to say, and then everyone just chills out and starts posting stuff that isn't strictly about the topic—does that count as off-topic, spam, or trolling, as long as nobody is being rude or insulting?"

You've gotta walk three miles in a downpour for that kind of logic, but seriously, off-topic posts, trolling, and spam should still get flagged even after page 25. Look, maybe there are a few people out there who’d keep debating forever without any rules, but you aren't the one to decide if those people exist, obviously. Some threads stay alive for years if they're actually good and general, not like this personal mess. If you've said all you wanted to say on a topic and you're over it, but you still want to troll a bit just for kicks—don't. And definitely don't whine like a kid because you got flagged.

2) Reputation.

Having a bad reputation doesn't get you banned. Trolling does. You're a troll. Therefore, you got flagged. Just because your points stopped being active doesn't mean your warnings expired. We actually did you a favor by being decent enough not to ban you permanently right away, opting for a warning instead. But once you hit a certain number of strikes, the rules clearly state you're gone. There's a massive difference between being constructive and having one bad moment versus being a total troll who cries every time they get banned for the 387th time.

Feeling better now? 🙂

Linda Price5 said:I've got a question for you guys. 😍

If Jack walked in here right now, rounded up a bunch of moderators, and told them to decide on a general direction for where this whole site should head—what would that vibe even be?

For instance, I remember this exact post with a grin on my face from back in 2004, but if I posted it today, I’d probably get slapped with a ban for trolling.

Sure, maybe it's perfectly fine to encourage communication that feels like talking to some DMV clerk. Just "good morning," here's your form, here's your clipboard, thanks, bye. That's the standard.

Or maybe just rename the site to "The DMV Attack" so everyone knows that if you try to be chill or joke around, you're dead in the water. Like, any hint of irony gets you penalized. Or would that be considered trolling too? Would we all just have to ban ourselves at that point? 😁

Look, if you hate the site, go somewhere else. There are plenty of others out there, even ones without mods breathing down your neck. You'll love it there. If you can't change the world, just change yourself. 😍

wanderingbadger44 said:I thought perhaps the moderator simply misunderstood my point, or maybe they misread some sort of malicious intent where none existed.

Precisely.

While this thread drifted into off-topic territory and some mild, thematic trolling several pages back, your specific post stands out for one singular reason: it targets the individual. You resorted to an ad hominem attack, essentially saying, "No one even reads your posts anyway, haha, you just write like this, blah blah." How he writes or the quality of his contributions isn't the issue here. A warning would have been appropriate for being off-topic, but it's your condescending tone toward him that really crosses the line.

It is quite paradoxical, really, that you talk about scrubbing the forum clean with Clorox and complain about people acting up, when you are doing exactly that—treating users you deem less intelligent, less educated, or generally less successful than yourself with such disdain. I find that somewhat tragic for two reasons:

1. I actually consider you an exceptionally high-quality conversationalist and debater. You are capable of communicating far more effectively than by repeatedly targeting your interlocutor or attempting to belittle them based on perceived traits—starting with their intelligence (which seems to be a recurring theme in your warnings).
2. On Reddit, there are countless subreddits where trolling and banter are perfectly acceptable. While the rules clearly state that provocation, instigation, and insults are prohibited, we aren't talking about total sterilization. You know as well as I do that on many parts of the site, much worse posts go completely unsanctioned simply because of the nature of those specific communities.

In this particular instance, I can’t say whether your remark was meant in good spirits. I don't know if you and the user you addressed are old friends grabbing coffee somewhere, making an inside joke; regardless, that kind of banter doesn't belong in this specific thread.

I stand by the warning. The admins will remove it if they decide it was unjustified, but I would urge you to take a moment to reflect on how you communicate here when dealing with those you perceive as being less articulate or less bright than yourself.

dustyranger64 said:Don't try to play the "I'm too old for this" card just because you have 5,000 posts shoved up your ass. Irony isn't a punishable offense.

No? 🙂

wiredfalcon2 said:If you aren't enjoying this forum, go find another one. There are plenty out there, even some unmoderated ones where you might actually have fun. If you can't change the world, try changing yourself. 😍

This post of yours isn't an answer to my question; it's just pure trolling. 😘

wanderingbadger44 said:Would you be a dear and explain to me—as if I’ve never even heard the term before—exactly what "trolling" entails?

Well then, here you go.

Your little trolling tactics consist of off-topic outbursts and arrogant attacks directed at other users in spaces where they simply don't belong. Furthermore, please keep in mind that private messages regarding these specific rule violations are permitted to be made public.

dustyranger64 said:We are sincerely sorry, but we want to maintain this monthly thread because it has the potential to be truly serious and constructive.

So you think the best way to handle that is to hand out a warning to a user who has been contributing meaningfully to what you call a "serious and constructive" discussion, just because they wrote something that wasn't strictly on-topic?

Alright. Maybe I was just delusional in thinking my previous posts actually added anything to the conversation. And maybe I don't need to be slapped with a 35-point penalty for a completely harmless comment. But I can tell you one thing: it certainly didn't make me feel any more welcome in this thread.

Oh. So they're boring to you. Well, why didn't you say so?

I said they were boring to *me*. I wasn't making a universal declaration about everyone else's interests. I tried to be specific about how I felt. I didn't realize you'd take that as an invitation for such unnecessary irony.

Well, that changes everything.
From now on, threads will be opened or closed based solely on whether wanderingbadger44 finds them tedious or not.
🙂

I'm curious, just for kicks, how many points would someone like me lose for posting with this kind of tone?
Personally, your sarcasm doesn't bother me; I've always been quite comfortable navigating through a bit of wit. 🙂

Chloe Green61 said:Your attempts at trolling off-topic are just aggressive personal attacks against another user in a space where that doesn't belong. Also, keep in mind that moderator actions regarding warnings can be made public.

it’s an ad hominem attack against the other person

😕😲
Thanks, Jason Morgan. Everything is much clearer now. 🙂

I am certain that the user saw that post as a subtle compliment to his eloquence, his vocabulary, his unique style, and his way of expressing himself. 🙂 Because that is exactly what it was.

But he isn't a moderator.

In fact, he didn't even get to read the post because you deleted it.

Beyond that, people often joke that they break a sweat just trying to read him. And that isn't a criticism; quite the opposite. If you take my word for it, it is absolutely worth the effort of working through his sentences.

Well...

Linda Price5 said:Look, you're just trolling at this point. This isn't even an answer to my question. 😘

nah

Linda Price5 said:No? 🙂

Look, I actually find your post pretty funny. Seriously! But you posted this in a thread filled with kids who honestly don't know jack shit. They show up asking the absolute dumbest questions on the planet because they just DON'T KNOW. If they haven't even grasped the basics, you can't talk to them like this. Someone’s going to take you seriously. Even though the irony is screaming off the page for us, you have to realize that kids who don't even know when to use a condom have zero damn clue what irony is, let alone how deep your sarcasm actually goes.

wanderingbadger44 said:So, do you really think the best way to handle this is to hand out a ban to a user who has been contributing nothing but serious, constructive input to a thread—simply because they finally posted something that wasn't strictly on-topic?

If you’ve been acting all "constructive" throughout a discussion, by what authority do you grant yourself the right to just drift off-topic whenever you feel like it, essentially ignoring the rules once you've had your say? 🙂
And frankly, I'm not just talking to you here. 🙂

dustyranger64 said:Look, I actually find your post quite amusing. Truly. But you’ve decided to drop this on a thread frequented by kids who honestly don't have a clue—they come here asking the most staggeringly moronic questions because they simply DON'T KNOW. If they haven't even mastered the basics, you can't deliver an answer like this; someone is bound to take it at face value. Even if the irony is practically screaming off the page to us, you have to realize that kids who don't even grasp common sense aren't going to understand what irony is, let alone the subtle nuances of how it's being used.

The most absurd part of this entire situation is that Kuki and Persephone already know all of this, and we know that they know. And they are fully aware that we know they know.

wanderingbadger44 said:Honestly? Your irony doesn't bother me at all. I practically live for it. 🙂

Look, personally, I can handle anything—irony, cynicism, sarcasm, even a direct insult. As long as we aren't veering way off-topic, go for it!
But hey, I’m not exactly the gold standard for setting the "average" level of thick skin or how a Reddit thread should run. And neither are you.
We both just have to play the game and adjust to whatever level of sensitivity the rest of the crowd brings to the table. You gotta adapt too.

dustyranger64 said:Look, your post is amusing. It really is. But you’ve posted it in a thread read by kids who genuinely don't have a clue and show up with the most absurdly stupid questions imaginable simply because they LACK basic knowledge. If they haven't even mastered the fundamentals, you can't deliver an answer like that; someone will take it seriously. Even if the irony is dripping off the page for us, rest assured that a kid who doesn't even know when to use a condom won't have the slightest inkling of what irony is or the weight its expression carries.

I have 99 posts in this thread. Out of those 99, probably 95 are serious, coherent responses. Let's just say at least half of the questions I tackle fall into the category of "seventh-grade biology."

If I had responded to an "am I pregnant" query with "pee on your keyboard so we can find out" (which is something I used to do), would I be banned? After all, how could we possibly know if the poor girl isn't actually dim enough to REALLY pee on her keyboard?

Furthermore, this thread spans 24 pages. It contains a massive volume of questions and answers. If this were a thread about using headphones where it had been explained nineteen times that you put them in your ears, and someone asked why they couldn't hear anything after shoving them into their belly button, and someone replied that headphones don't work that way—would they get banned because now the pathetic soul is going to go out and buy some navel-mounted headphones?