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Avant-Garde Lonely Hearts - Myth or Reality?

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mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active MemberOP
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#1 ·
New Year's Day, New USA. That’s about how I’d describe this attempt to turn the USA into an Avant-Garde, which is exactly how pompously the director of Anderlon announced it.
So, the question remains: did he actually pull it off? I guess. Maybe.

For those who aren't up to speed, the Avant-Garde crew started things off by installing their "favorite" moderator—the one everyone knows as the forum gossip queen. She didn't bother with an intro to introduce herself to the newcomers, probably because she’s already famous enough around here. I guess the real reason is that she hates those introductory threads; if she actually did one, people would likely call her out, and I suppose that would bruise her ego too much. Before this, they also changed the chat title just to keep the peace at home. Apparently, some people felt insulted, thinking the original name was mocking earthquake victims, even though there was no bad intent behind it. So, they switched it to something more neutral called Virtual Birthplace. But the real breaking point, the thing that caused 30 people from across the US to quit overnight, was when they finally made their "favorite" moderator the head of the US section, something she’s been eyeing for a while. It’s a bit much, considering she was one of the few regular users ever granted access to the Moderator Corner, mostly just because she used to be a mod over at LJES a long time ago. Seems like a waste, I guess.

Honestly, there’s this obvious sense of panic and nerves lately, like everyone is freaking out about whether this chat will finally be full by the end of the month since we haven't started a new one after two months of talking. Even the person on post duty seems to be trying too hard to rush the whole process—using multiquotes and everything just to pad the numbers. It all feels a bit pathetic, I guess, when you look back at how this used to be. There was a time when the chat actually had some soul, with people who actually knew each other, organized meetups, and a community that genuinely brought people together. Now? It just feels empty.
I suppose I agree that the USA was on a downward spiral for a while. It was getting harder to find any decent new topics. Most of the action ended up being just the chat or the horoscope sections. There were some good signs, though—when Shadow (who isn't a mod anymore) and Ludica stepped up to revitalize the USA, things finally started moving in the right direction. People actually tried during the pandemic lockdowns to keep everyone engaged with games and different challenges. I don't think that kind of thing could have happened on other subforums. You just don't see that level of closeness anywhere else, or at least, I haven't been convinced otherwise.

The old crowd got kicked out, and now those resident chat critics who kept whining about needing new blood are finally getting what they wanted. The membership has basically flipped entirely in just a month. People are actually starting to open threads to get everyone talking, but honestly, I don't see much of an actual improvement. The Theme of the Day has devolved into some weird nostalgia trip for a high school clique. We were told only five people are even working on this "project," so why are we constantly undermining the massive effort of individuals trying to spark conversations? They want us talking about avatars, Team Building, what we’d do with $3 million, or checking activity rosters—which is clearly just a way for them to hog the spotlight in the Moderator Corner. I’ll bet anything that if I started a thread about which truck to use for hunting up here in the States, it wouldn't last a single day. But when a troll—who somehow managed to become a mod—starts a thread, and then claims the former Americans are toxic or starts calling people animals, then suddenly everything is fine. It's ridiculous.

I guess people will just say I’m being negative again and that I’m trying to ruin the good vibes here in the States, but honestly, I see very little that has actually made things better. Back in the day, especially when the forums were actually active, this was a place where real people connected. Now? It feels like a daycare center where everyone celebrates topics that would have been shut down instantly years ago for being off-topic. But sure, I'll just be told I'm talking nonsense or that I'm just attacking everyone's hard work. Apparently, if you don't like the moderator, your criticism is automatically invalid. That seems to be how it works now, I suppose.

Even Jeremy Johnson18 called for a chat to see if some kind of compromise was possible, but he basically just screwed us over first before asking how we could fix things and get back on track. So, Jeremy Johnson18, here’s my suggestion: just reach an agreement and remove Latica, then maybe people will actually start coming back eventually. Honestly, though, I don't really believe it'll happen given how much you support her, and since Anderlon keeps pushing these "new ideas" about not punishing or banning people—which would be a massive mistake. That's just my take, because there really isn't any other way. You can't have someone who holds all this info and gossip, who lacks social skills and tact during gatherings, acting as a mod for a subforum where they know everyone. They wouldn't be objective at all if any drama or fights broke out. I mean, I was actually okay with Shadow and Ludica being moderators because I know they'd hold me accountable if I messed up, but even then, I had my doubts. Mods on these social subforums probably shouldn't come from the forums themselves, just to ensure some level of objectivity when things go south.

But the question remains: did the Avant-Garde succeed? The purge clearly worked, because without it, we wouldn't be seeing the current state of the United States; otherwise, there would be way too many people pushing back against certain things. Still, we should try to stay positive and keep things chill, because heaven forbid anyone disagrees with anything.
If there's any kind of statistics showing that this place has become better, more avant-garde, or higher quality, I'd really appreciate it. Anyway, I'm heading out. 🙂
Jeremy Johnson18 Jeremy Johnson18 Active Member
86 messages
joined Oct 2018
#2 ·
Look, I came here with nothing but good intentions to have a real conversation. You ignored me, while the rest of the crew jumped down my throat, spreading rumors, insulting me, leaking stuff from private messages, and baiting me. Now you’re twisting the facts and acting like nobody’s listening? Sorry, but after that circus, I’m done. I don't owe this discussion any more of my time.

Let me make this crystal clear: anyone can pitch an idea for the Theme of the Day, and (almost) everyone gets heard. If you think you can actually step up and raise the bar, go ahead and try—nobody is stopping you.

Also, nobody kicked you out. The US is still open to everyone and you're all more than welcome here. If you choose not to participate, that’s on you, and there's no point arguing about it anymore. For everyone else, if you've got something to say, speak up. As far as I'm concerned, we can lock this thread. LP
mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active MemberOP
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#3 ·
Jeremy Johnson18 said:Look, I came here with nothing but good intentions to have a real conversation. You ignored me, while the rest of the crew jumped down my throat, spreading rumors, insulting me, leaking stuff from private messages, and baiting me. Now you’re twisting the facts and acting like nobody’s listening? Sorry, but after that circus, I’m done. I don't owe this discussion any more of my time.

Let me make this crystal clear: anyone can pitch an idea for the Theme of the Day, and (almost) everyone gets heard. If you think you can actually step up and raise the bar, go ahead and try—nobody is stopping you.

Also, nobody kicked you out. The US is still open to everyone and you're all more than welcome here. If you choose not to participate, that’s on you, and there's no point arguing about it anymore. For everyone else, if you've got something to say, speak up. As far as I'm concerned, we can lock this thread. LP

Maybe the best intention would have been to actually figure out what happened and why people left in the first place. If the reason they left was because a moderator was appointed who many consider a total disaster—just like you, I suppose—then maybe that should have been the approach, instead of calling people toxic, savages, or animals, and then acting like Jesus because you showed up as some sort of savior offering an olive branch.
Tell me, what kind of compromise is that if the only thing stopping the group from returning is that the wrong person was put in charge of moderation? What are people supposed to do, just swallow their pride and take crap from someone who can ban them on a whim, especially if they step on the toes of someone that moderator likes? No thanks, I have no interest in going back to an environment like that.

As for these rumors about you, I honestly have no idea what lies you're talking about or who told you anything. Maybe you should probably ask yourself where you even heard that information to begin with. 🙂
Jeremy Johnson18 Jeremy Johnson18 Active Member
86 messages
joined Oct 2018
#4 ·
Here’s the chronological breakdown of everything that’s gone down. I'm just trying to figure out where the disconnect is and find a decent compromise for everyone involved:

Jeremy Johnson18 said:You don't actually want changes for the United States; you just want a different moderator because you can't stand the person in real life. That's not even a real argument—if it is, it's a pretty pathetic one.
What difference does it make if Latica is blonde or brunette if she isn't allowed to moderate the chat you guys are typing in anyway? Or am I missing something huge here?

Jeremy Johnson18 said:I'm attempting to have a (somewhat) constructive conversation with the protesters.
Obviously, some people are going to take that as a provocation, but that's not my intention, and I hope it's not yours either.

The fact is, both sides are getting screwed over by this. It feels stupid to play dumb and ignore the elephant in the room instead of trying to find common ground.

Wikiceh said:I don't get that part about Latica.🤷
Look, she's not a bad mod, but given how messy the moderation situation has been in the United States lately, does that even matter?
I get that people have their grudges (everyone has their lists), but still...
And honestly, I've got a feeling we'll hear the full story one day. 🤣

Jeremy Johnson18 said:+1

I've also been on the United States site for years and I have no clue what's happening. Nobody wants to give a straight answer; they just want to protest. The little bit they *did* say doesn't line up at all with the facts I see in the moderator section and on the forum in general. 🤷

mistyhound94 said:From what I can see, everyone’s having a blast on the US lately. The long-timers who stuck around seem totally obsessed with all the new faces—it’s pretty obvious the old crowd was just in the way. Look, I don't do compromises. As long as Latica is running the show as a mod, I have zero interest in heading back there. And let’s be real: nobody even bothered to offer a middle ground. 🙂

Jeremy Johnson18 said:Look, the bottom line is this: you want back in, and we want you back. That goes for everyone else on the boards, too—half the users are wandering around lost because they don't know what's going on or which chat room is actually active. Nothing is broken, and nothing is lost. The USA isn't ruined.

Let's be real, you guys didn't even open the door for a conversation on this.
I have no idea where this thread is headed, but I'm glad you showed up, if nothing else. 🙂

And then this is what I'm stuck dealing with:

nata_lie said:Jeremy Johnson18 thinks he’s playing God now that he finally found a purpose.

The Princess said:Man, I just realized which project actually turned this fashion scene into what it is today. 🎉

Quick poll via DM: why exactly can't we stand Latica? Let's lay out the reasons. 🙂

I just hope they actually get some kind of certificate or recognition for crushing this project—something they can actually slap on a resume down the road. :D

I know they used to hand out Certificates or Diplomas as proof of participation in these projects. 👍

typhoid_mary said:Give it a rest already. Nobody wants anything to do with you, so just leave people alone.

Marie Antoinette said:Look, Jeremy Johnson18...
Why do you care so much about getting everyone back to the States?
From where I'm sitting, it feels like half the crowd doesn't give a damn if this group is around or not. Honestly, most people are probably relieved we're gone. You're the only one obsessing over it. Why?

The Princess said:To me, he’s still just that depressing kid from the Virtual Birthplace who thinks the whole world owes him something.
People like that shouldn't be leaders, and they definitely shouldn't want to be.
Like the old saying goes: a leopard never changes its spots.


What the hell are you even talking about?
mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active MemberOP
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#5 ·
Jeremy Johnson18 said:Here’s the chronological breakdown of everything that’s gone down. I'm just trying to figure out where the disconnect is and find a decent compromise for everyone involved:

And then this is what I'm stuck dealing with:

What the hell are you even talking about?

Right, so you realized immediately it was because of her, and now what? You want to have a discussion about returning because whether she likes black or blue is totally irrelevant? What are you even saying, man? And how can you claim to be on this forum for years if you've barely been registered for two and a half? Maybe you're someone's clone given how much you supposedly know about everything. I mean, it's been said—and I think most people agree—that as long as she's a mod on the United States site, people aren't coming back. All I wanted was to see if the United States actually became the Avant-Garde that Anderlon so pompously promised, nothing more. As for you trying to play peacemaker after throwing all those insults at us... that's not my concern.
mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active MemberOP
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#6 ·
Just so you don't end up feeling attacked from every single angle, here's the topic, right over there in the Lounge:
If this was just some joke, then I guess it counts as trolling. But if you actually meant that the United States should only consist of Lonely solo people—especially on a subforum where you're a moderator yourself—then how is anyone supposed to feel welcome in an environment where they aren't wanted just because of their relationship status?
Go ahead, explain it to me. I still find it baffling that you were chosen as a mod based on that specific criterion. 🙂
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
255 messages
joined Apr 2023
#7 ·
Through thick and thin with mistyhound94 👍
Jacob Alvarez Jacob Alvarez Active Member
58 messages
joined Apr 2021
#8 ·
mistyhound94 said:New Year's Day, New USA. That’s about how I’d describe this attempt to turn the USA into an Avant-Garde, which is exactly how pompously the director of Anderlon announced it.
So, the question remains: did he actually pull it off? I guess. Maybe.

For those who aren't up to speed, the Avant-Garde crew started things off by installing their "favorite" moderator—the one everyone knows as the forum gossip queen. She didn't bother with an intro to introduce herself to the newcomers, probably because she’s already famous enough around here. I guess the real reason is that she hates those introductory threads; if she actually did one, people would likely call her out, and I suppose that would bruise her ego too much. Before this, they also changed the chat title just to keep the peace at home. Apparently, some people felt insulted, thinking the original name was mocking earthquake victims, even though there was no bad intent behind it. So, they switched it to something more neutral called Virtual Birthplace. But the real breaking point, the thing that caused 30 people from across the US to quit overnight, was when they finally made their "favorite" moderator the head of the US section, something she’s been eyeing for a while. It’s a bit much, considering she was one of the few regular users ever granted access to the Moderator Corner, mostly just because she used to be a mod over at LJES a long time ago. Seems like a waste, I guess.

Honestly, there’s this obvious sense of panic and nerves lately, like everyone is freaking out about whether this chat will finally be full by the end of the month since we haven't started a new one after two months of talking. Even the person on post duty seems to be trying too hard to rush the whole process—using multiquotes and everything just to pad the numbers. It all feels a bit pathetic, I guess, when you look back at how this used to be. There was a time when the chat actually had some soul, with people who actually knew each other, organized meetups, and a community that genuinely brought people together. Now? It just feels empty.
I suppose I agree that the USA was on a downward spiral for a while. It was getting harder to find any decent new topics. Most of the action ended up being just the chat or the horoscope sections. There were some good signs, though—when Shadow (who isn't a mod anymore) and Ludica stepped up to revitalize the USA, things finally started moving in the right direction. People actually tried during the pandemic lockdowns to keep everyone engaged with games and different challenges. I don't think that kind of thing could have happened on other subforums. You just don't see that level of closeness anywhere else, or at least, I haven't been convinced otherwise.

The old crowd got kicked out, and now those resident chat critics who kept whining about needing new blood are finally getting what they wanted. The membership has basically flipped entirely in just a month. People are actually starting to open threads to get everyone talking, but honestly, I don't see much of an actual improvement. The Theme of the Day has devolved into some weird nostalgia trip for a high school clique. We were told only five people are even working on this "project," so why are we constantly undermining the massive effort of individuals trying to spark conversations? They want us talking about avatars, Team Building, what we’d do with $3 million, or checking activity rosters—which is clearly just a way for them to hog the spotlight in the Moderator Corner. I’ll bet anything that if I started a thread about which truck to use for hunting up here in the States, it wouldn't last a single day. But when a troll—who somehow managed to become a mod—starts a thread, and then claims the former Americans are toxic or starts calling people animals, then suddenly everything is fine. It's ridiculous.

I guess people will just say I’m being negative again and that I’m trying to ruin the good vibes here in the States, but honestly, I see very little that has actually made things better. Back in the day, especially when the forums were actually active, this was a place where real people connected. Now? It feels like a daycare center where everyone celebrates topics that would have been shut down instantly years ago for being off-topic. But sure, I'll just be told I'm talking nonsense or that I'm just attacking everyone's hard work. Apparently, if you don't like the moderator, your criticism is automatically invalid. That seems to be how it works now, I suppose.

Even Jeremy Johnson18 called for a chat to see if some kind of compromise was possible, but he basically just screwed us over first before asking how we could fix things and get back on track. So, Jeremy Johnson18, here’s my suggestion: just reach an agreement and remove Latica, then maybe people will actually start coming back eventually. Honestly, though, I don't really believe it'll happen given how much you support her, and since Anderlon keeps pushing these "new ideas" about not punishing or banning people—which would be a massive mistake. That's just my take, because there really isn't any other way. You can't have someone who holds all this info and gossip, who lacks social skills and tact during gatherings, acting as a mod for a subforum where they know everyone. They wouldn't be objective at all if any drama or fights broke out. I mean, I was actually okay with Shadow and Ludica being moderators because I know they'd hold me accountable if I messed up, but even then, I had my doubts. Mods on these social subforums probably shouldn't come from the forums themselves, just to ensure some level of objectivity when things go south.

But the question remains: did the Avant-Garde succeed? The purge clearly worked, because without it, we wouldn't be seeing the current state of the United States; otherwise, there would be way too many people pushing back against certain things. Still, we should try to stay positive and keep things chill, because heaven forbid anyone disagrees with anything.
If there's any kind of statistics showing that this place has become better, more avant-garde, or higher quality, I'd really appreciate it. Anyway, I'm heading out. 🙂

Nah, I think it started out as something like "Censored Chat."
Basically poking fun at anyone being censored. 😬
dustypilot11 dustypilot11 Member
33 messages
joined Nov 2010
#9 ·
This intro is way too long. It just wanders all over the place. Honestly, cut it down to maybe a quarter of what it is now.

What’s even the point here? Like, how would you even define "quality Avant-Garde" anyway? 🍿
dustypilot11 dustypilot11 Member
33 messages
joined Nov 2010
#10 ·
mistyhound94 said:Just so you don't end up feeling attacked from every single angle, here's the topic, right over there in the Lounge:
If this was just some joke, then I guess it counts as trolling. But if you actually meant that the United States should only consist of Lonely solo people—especially on a subforum where you're a moderator yourself—then how is anyone supposed to feel welcome in an environment where they aren't wanted just because of their relationship status?
Go ahead, explain it to me. I still find it baffling that you were chosen as a mod based on that specific criterion. 🙂

This thread is totally fine. The guy just asked for one topic, not a whole damn book. Why do you think it's wrong to have a corner where single people can deal with their own stuff?
mistyhound94 mistyhound94 Active MemberOP
62 messages
joined Jun 2012
#11 ·
dustypilot11 said:This intro is way too long. It just wanders all over the place. Honestly, cut it down to maybe a quarter of what it is now.

What’s even the point here? Like, how would you even define "quality Avant-Garde" anyway? 🍿

I want to hear that from Anderlon, since he's the one bringing it up. 🙂
dustypilot11 said:This thread is totally fine. The guy just asked for one topic, not a whole damn book. Why do you think it's wrong to have a corner where single people can deal with their own stuff?

All that whining isn't okay, and the goal of that theme was sort of to push away anyone who's in a relationship or married, because they don't really belong in the Lonely Hearts. That's the issue. 🙂
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#12 ·
Look, you haven't actually pointed out any real issues here. It’s perfectly fine if you aren't a fan of a particular moderator, but please wait until you have a legitimate grievance before you start complaining about them. And hey, if a specific thread isn't your cup of tea, feel free to just skip it and move on. The new crew brought in some changes, and honestly, we should have expected that not everyone would be thrilled right away, but it seems like enough people are enjoying things, and the PDF system is working smoothly. I’m asking you, please don't go filing formal complaints unless you actually have something concrete and substantial to report.

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