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Participants dustypuma5hollowtrucker77Sarah Wilson95Maria Nelson12coastalorca7Nathan Bakerbrightridge59Morgan Watson6Matthew Anderson4briskmoose90ambermason16
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
111 messages
joined Apr 2013
#1 ·
My post got nuked last night, and here was the reason given:

Chuck said:I didn't just delete one post, I wiped two in a row because instead of linking to the article, you just copied the whole thing and slapped a smiley on the end—that's spamming and breaking the rules. The second one was for the same reason; instead of a link, you copy/pasted someone else's article saying "I fully sign off on this," which is also spam and against the rules.

Instead of banning you, I just deleted them. In the future, just provide a link to stuff you find interesting rather than copy-pasting other people's work.

I realized later that the mod actually followed protocol since the rules say you can't copy texts longer than 2000 characters.
The issue isn't really the deletion itself, it's just that they suddenly started enforcing this rule out of nowhere.
Then there's the fact that the rule isn't even being used consistently anymore, because right here in this same thread, there's a post by Sarah Wilson95 that definitely has over 2000 characters of quoted text, and her entire comment is basically just "coffee talk topics:".

So, it would be nice to know why my post got hit when it's never happened before, especially since it looks like there's no intention of actually enforcing it moving forward.

Maybe it's just some specific users getting picked on.

Anyway, yeah. Anything?
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#2 ·
I'm with you on that one; calling this a "post" is a massive stretch—it’s more like a manifesto, so I went ahead and deleted it.
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
267 messages
joined Sep 2006
#3 ·
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Well, Sasha, it looks like you'll have your hands full cleaning up all those "pamphlets" later on, though I have no doubt you'll step up since you take such pride in high-quality moderation and keeping this thread decent—or at least aligned with actual historical facts.
By the way, there’s a right way to link a pamphlet and actually provide the necessary context within a discussion.😍

The truth is, this entire thread is a complete mess that misinterprets historical events, hard facts, and everything currently happening in relation to them. So, when I post a specific excerpt from a text along with its source, which truly places everything mentioned into its proper context,you can go ahead and label it as breaking Forum rules, trolling, communist propaganda, or whatever other nonsense you want to call it. But I am asking you nicely: please DO NOT refer to my posts as pamphlets, especially not using that ridiculous terminology.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#4 ·
It’s possible, though I’m starting to think we need to move beyond just deleting the pamphlets
To be perfectly honest, this whole copy-paste habit isn't exactly doing us any favors, and frankly, it's getting a bit old
So, I’m asking nicely: let’s actually try writing some original thoughts instead of just hitting paste over and over again
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
267 messages
joined Sep 2006
#5 ·
I truly had no intention of posting some sort of political manifesto, and unlike a few people hanging around this Forum, I don't use this space for those kinds of agendas 😁

besides, given how chaotic and messy this thread already is, my single post containing a snippet of text and a link is practically a drop in the bucket
and considering how much nonsense is being thrown around here, I find your sudden, frantic reaction and labeling me quite ridiculous, especially since this entire discussion has turned into an absolute circus

so now it turns out that I'm the one spreading propaganda in the middle of this complete disaster 🤣😁 😵

oh, my dear Sasha (just like that song by the old guard 🙄🤣
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
111 messages
joined Apr 2013
#6 ·
Some guy is spilling his family secrets online...

no_surrender said:Look at this, man. You know how close it was to being 148,888? Like, just one more person.
It was crazy close.
The guy who somehow dodged every single attempt to take him out? That was my paternal grandfather.
If he hadn't, my dad wouldn't have been born, nor my uncle, my brother, my brother's kids, my sister, or me.
Basically, there would be at least 7 fewer Americans.
Take that number you calculated and multiply it by 7, then you’ll see the terrifying demographic data and why the American population is crashing so hard.
Even though my grandad got lucky and escaped execution, his brother wasn't so fortunate. At 17, he ended up on the Way of the Cross. He didn't even see actual combat; he was drafted into the US Army just months before the war ended and spent the final stretch in a barracks in Washington, D.C.
After everyone wrote him off and assumed he was dead, he finally came back from the Way of the Cross about a year and a half later.
But even though he made it back, he didn't really come back. He was a walking skeleton, mentally and physically broken. He never recovered. I watched him suffer my whole life, right up until about 10 years ago.
Of course, he never married. Never had kids.
They totally ruined a young, innocent, healthy guy. They just destroyed his entire life... and he didn't do anything wrong. His only crime was being an American soldier for a few months in the US.
Another relative, who was never even in the military, was killed in 1945. They came to his house, dragged him away, and killed him like a dog. Supposedly someone reported him for shouting "Long live America." He was only 15 when they killed him.

My father had everything lined up to get one of those communist apartments in New York City—you know, when they supposedly gave them to everyone—but obviously, he didn't get one because his old man was an Ustaše.
Because of his dad, my uncle couldn't even get a job, even though he graduated top of his class and was a total pro in his field. Luckily, he found work in Germany and made it happen.

I know plenty of other communist crimes that happened within a few blocks of my house, all with names and faces attached... I even know the names of the killers. Just saying.

And here's the kicker... I've NEVER posted this on the internet before, but I'm doing it now.
My other grandfather was a partisan... oh yeah... he was...
There you go...

And then comes this guy who deserves like 20 permanent bans on this Forum, and there's pretty much evidence he's just a clone of a permanently banned user, typing this out:

MC Ozzy said:If your grandpa ended up in the pits, like many others did, someone else would've stepped in anyway. Maybe some partisan who'd do the same thing to your grandma that they did to your old man, making sure you and your relatives were born too. And you literally just said your other grandpa was a partisan. So you're basically 50/50 right now, whereas you would've been 100% partisan blood.


I if someone finally snaps and tells him where to shove it after a nasty provocation like that, he’ll just end up getting banned from KzB... though he'll probably just troll his way out of it.

Like, 99% of what he posts is just pure trolling and flame wars. His whole deal is basically just blowing up discussions and baiting people on the Forum until they get banned for reacting to him.

It’s honestly tough to spot guys like this and just tune them out, since they don't add anything to the conversation. Nobody's gonna miss him, and things would actually be way better if he just disappeared.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#7 ·
dustypuma5, why don't you just go on and keep rambling about it then
look, I’m sorry, but I really don't need you deciding where everyone belongs, and honestly, I'd appreciate it if you could just wrap your head around that once and for all
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
111 messages
joined Apr 2013
#8 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:dustypuma5, just give it a rest
sorry, but you don't get to decide where anyone belongs, so please just remember that once and for all


And hey, maybe one day you'll be the one calling the shots, who knows. 😬

But seriously. I'm not deciding anything for anyone, I'm just asking.
That's my right.

It's up to you if you want to grant what I'm asking for.
But regardless of your position, you aren't going to tell me what to ask for. 😉
That's my business. 🙂

Sure, you can always shut down my right to ask by using some technicality (calling it a 🙏 loophole), but I've been ready for that for a long time now. It's just a matter of when it happens, I guess. That's always your prerogative. I won't hold it against you if you use it.

As for me stirring the pot by uncovering some dirty oil under the political hood... that's on you guys. It's an issue of how you pick the people running things. So don't go killing the messenger; maybe check if you sent the wrong commander and the wrong troops out into the field in the first place.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#9 ·
I haven't sent anyone off to any kind of fight, nor do I believe we’re actually engaged in some sort of war over here
quite the opposite, really; this Forum is just a space for swapping ideas and having heated debates, which means there’s absolutely no room for advertisers or foreign agitators looking for an angle

if I’m being completely honest, my biggest headache is political correctness—both from those who try to weaponize this platform for their own agendas and my own stupidity in letting just about anything slide in the name of free speech, which inevitably lets all sorts of nonsense slip through the cracks
one thing I am certain of: my people will never take power, simply because I don't have any of them
as for those folks who are basically on a leash, answering to various masters, they’d probably be better off starting their own little corner of the internet so they can get a realistic look at how much they actually matter and how much of an audience they can truly pull in
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
111 messages
joined Apr 2013
#10 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I didn't send anyone anywhere, and I don't think we're fighting a war here
actually, this Forum is just a place to swap ideas and have debates where advertisers and foreign agents don't have anything to gain

honestly, my biggest issue is political correctness—both from people using this Forum for their own ends, and my own stupidity for letting everything slide in the name of free speech, which lets all sorts of stuff slip through
one thing's for sure: some of my guys will never take power because I just don't have people like that
those who follow orders and stay on a leash should probably just start their own Forum; then they'd see how much they're actually worth and how little of an audience they can pull

It’s kind of a bummer you latched onto a line from my post that was meant to be a joke, or at least a gag, and took it so seriously.
The other part you flagged was just a metaphor, a figure of speech, but you took it literally.

Whatever, it’s fine. I don't even feel like explaining myself.

The issue isn't that there are users here using the Forum for an agenda. That'll always happen; it's just part of politics.
I'll admit I fall into that trap sometimes too, but hey, we're human.

The real problem with politics is that you have moderators who have their own agendas on the Forum, and that’s a slightly bigger deal than just user agendas.

Because moderators have "editing power," and that should be free from any agenda except maybe the owner's.

But arguing is pointless since it won't change anything, so let's drop it.

Personally, I don't have anything against you. I don't have anything against people with different views either, whether in politics or life. To me, diversity is a good thing.
As long as that "different" person isn't trying to erase my differences.

And all this talk about my political involvement or promoting someone... look, I'll always say what I think. Nobody is forcing me or giving me instructions. It's just my opinion on a politician or a party. I hope that's allowed under your version of "free speech."
But since people keep accusing me of having an agenda, lately I've been watching what I write and where I write it, just so it doesn't get twisted.

My agenda is my business. If you want to talk about leashes, talk about the moderators; those leashes aren't attached to me.

Based on how you phrased that last bit, am I being asked to leave the Forum and start my own?
I already run five or six other boards, but none of them have anything to do with what we're talking about here.
I could leave, but I'm not going to play those cards like we did a few months ago.
We'll play it like my leaving would be an admin decision, not mine. So, if you want me gone, you've got the tools to make it happen.
I won't even bother filing an appeal with KzB.
Until then, I'm staying for the other people here I actually enjoy talking to. My only "agenda" right now is sending a few PMs, making a few posts, and that's it. Maybe changing the vibe, but since that's impossible, it's more like a game to me.

So, there it is. It's all on you. I can only write and do what any other user does. Until things turn red or gray.

Oh, and I'll always file an appeal if I think something's unfair. That's not about an agenda, it's just about being fair.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#11 ·
then just play fair yourself
act like a real member of this Forum, post your own thoughts, and go ahead and vent if you feel like you're being treated unfairly, but please stop trying to play the martyr or some sort of misguided revolutionary
my goal isn't to drive you away, or anyone else who actually uses this Forum the right way—you know, playing fair, if that’s what you want to call it
if anything, the more people there are with actual opinions and things to contribute, the better it is for the Forum and for all of us in general
but I'm done sitting back and watching the manipulation and the constant little theatrics with nothing but a smirk on my face; I'm telling you now that from here on out, I’m going to react firmly, regardless of what anyone might think of me at any given moment
Maria Nelson12 Maria Nelson12 Member
37 messages
joined Aug 2010
#12 ·
I mean, first off, you really ought to be calling out the edge types and the resonators, because they’re pretty much the only ones in politics turning everything into some kind of manipulative little theater production.
coastalorca7 coastalorca7 Member
11 messages
joined Mar 2008
#13 ·
Jason Fisher78 said:In that case, you really need to push back hard against the Edge and Resonator types. They're the ones in politics using everything as nothing more than theater and manipulation.

I feel the exact same way. 👍>
Nathan Baker Nathan Baker Active Member
106 messages
joined Aug 2010
#14 ·
Can someone please make sense of this for me?

I’ve been trying to report offensive posts... nothing happens. Absolutely nothing. Then, out of nowhere, I get hit with a warning. When I ask why I’m being penalized while the person actually insulting me gets a free pass, I just get told, "We didn't receive your report." Okay. Fast forward a month or two, and it’s the exact same song and dance. "We didn't receive your report, you probably didn't do it right—did you actually click the little triangle next to the post 🙄?" Fine. So, I stop reporting anything at all. But then, suddenly, I get a message from a different moderator telling me to stop spamming their inbox with reports. Is that even possible? 😁 This is specifically about the moderators over in the US section—first they claim they aren't getting anything, and then suddenly I'm "spamming" them—and also a moderator from the Recreation section, which isn't even an area I hang out in, so 🤷. I honestly started thinking maybe I was doing something wrong or that the button itself was broken, especially after I messaged a few other moderators just to see if my reports were actually landing. Turns out, they are working fine for everyone else. So... what gives? Is it just the US section that's broken 🤣?

How rude.
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jun 2011
#15 ·
Are you really hijacking someone else's thread just to ask a question you could have easily handled through a private message?

As for my role in all of this, since I stepped into my moderator position here on the US Forum, I haven't actually seen any of your specific reports come across my desk. I did send you a direct message explaining that once you submit a report regarding that particular issue next time, we will be sure to take it into consideration.

The moderation team has changed quite a bit recently, so I'm honestly not entirely sure who you think you're reaching out to. Regarding the whole situation with flooded inboxes—which isn't happening with mine, and I certainly hope it won't happen with anyone else's—perhaps you were just being a little too persistent. 🤷
Morgan Watson6 Morgan Watson6 Newcomer
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joined May 2011
#16 ·
I am officially lodging a complaint against the moderator, ambermason16!
I want the topic "can marijuana control someone's life" to be properly promoted and examined from an objective standpoint.
Everything I write gets deleted under the guise of being labeled as trolling or similar nonsense, when it is blatantly obvious that the only reason is that we disagree. It seems the moderator feels entitled to hit the delete button just because my opinion differs from theirs.
Furthermore, there is another glaring issue here: it is highly probable that the moderator has a personal connection to the user maher18, because not a single one of that person's posts has been removed to date. Meanwhile, everything I post is scrubbed—including my posts where I present actual facts and arguments. My last post was simply a rebuttal to one of the many absurdities maher18 has been spewing while masquerading as a medical professional—specifically a psychiatrist... and honestly, the level of misinformation this person provides is beyond abnormal. For instance, they claimed that no dealer would ever want cannabis decriminalized because they would have to pay taxes.
If you are going to sit there and write something just to look smart when you clearly have no clue about the subject matter, the least you can do is actually do some research.
Well, I felt compelled to step in and clarify for them what decriminalization actually entails, and then today, I had to explain why a dealer wouldn't be paying any taxes if weed were legalized (using very vivid examples), because I truly cannot wrap my head around how one individual—who I assume is over 30 given their constant claims of being a medical expert, specifically a psychiatrist who treats "kids with holes in their brains," as they put it—can be so profoundly unintelligent. I don't mean to be rude, though that is quite literally the situation here. It is embarrassing to see such nonsense being peddled, let alone the implication that I was publicly voicing these ridiculous ideas back when I was fifteen. Truly shameful.
So, my question and my grievance are this: why does the moderator, ambermason16, take it upon themselves to delete factual statements whenever I present them, yet refuses to delete
the inaccurate and foolish claims made by the user maher18, which are based entirely on a superficial understanding of the subject??????
All I am asking for is a truly objective look at the matter.
Thank you.
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
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joined Jun 2013
#17 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:
I don't really care what anyone thinks about me at any given moment

As for this, don't sweat it. Things can't exactly get much worse than this anyway. 🙂
briskmoose90 briskmoose90 Active Member
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joined Feb 2010
#18 ·
Morgan Watson6 said:That person was spouting such nonsense and inaccuracies it became ridiculous. Especially that claim about how no dealer would want weed decriminalized because they'd end up paying taxes.
If you're going to post just to look smart when you clearly don't know the subject, at least do some research first.
I had to step in and explain what decriminalization actually means, and then today I had to clarify why a dealer wouldn't be paying any taxes if marijuana were legalized—and I did it with some very vivid examples.

And what "vivid" way would that be? 🍿
I'm dying to hear how someone avoids paying taxes on a legal substance, using your "vivid" explanation. Post the link first. Also, stop hijacking the thread.
ambermason16 ambermason16 Active Member
213 messages
joined Apr 2009
#19 ·
Morgan Watson6 said:I’m lodging a formal complaint against the moderator, ambermason16!
I want the topic "can marijuana control someone's life" to be properly promoted so we can look at the facts objectively.
Every single thing I write gets deleted under the guise of "trolling" or whatever, when it’s blindingly obvious the only reason is because we disagree. Apparently, the moderator thinks they have the right to wipe my posts just because I hold a different opinion.
Furthermore, there's something else glaringly obvious here: it's highly likely the moderator personally knows this user maher18, because not a single one of their posts has been touched so far. Meanwhile, everything of mine gets scrubbed—including the post where I laid out actual facts and arguments to counter the endless nonsense maher18 spews while pretending to be a medical expert (a psychiatrist...). This person keeps dropping inaccurate claims that are frankly beyond belief. Like that ridiculous claim that no dealer would ever want weed decriminalized because they'd actually have to pay taxes.
If you're going to jump into a conversation acting like an expert when you clearly don't know the first thing about the subject, you should at least do your homework.
That’s why I had to step in and explain what decriminalization actually means, and then today, clarify why a dealer wouldn't suddenly start paying taxes if weed were legalized (using a very vivid analogy), because I honestly cannot wrap my head around how one person—who I assume is over 30 given they claim to be a medical pro, specifically a psychiatrist treating "kids with brain holes," as they put it—can be so incredibly dense. To avoid being rude, I'll just say it's the reality of the situation. They're posting absolute garbage, and I certainly didn't write those things publicly when I was fifteen. It's embarrassing.
So, my question and my grievance is this: why does the moderator, ambermason16, feel entitled to delete hard facts every time I present them, instead of deleting
the blatant lies and stupidity posted by maher18, which are based entirely on a complete lack of knowledge regarding this topic??????
All I am asking for is a truly objective look at the matter.
Thanks.

Well, I guess I'll just complain about high heating bills then!

...And I already answered your PM regarding why your off-topic rambling and trolling got wiped. I won't even bother commenting on the rest of your post; it speaks for itself.

And yes, you're hijacking the thread. Again.

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