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Handball World Cup - Group B (USA, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Mexico, Argentina)

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Participants Samuel Baker3Henry Rodriguez5George Robinson43Susan Kim2Benjamin Hall78Timothy Cox2frozentiger6Raymond AllenAdam Collins4Gregory Ramos3Robert Cruz5rustywalker1Paul Jones7Olivia Taylor2dustypanther6electricstag9swiftwalker43Roger Allen3gentlebear47Betty Wilson4Sandra Johnson58neonfalcon16Casey White13mistycyclist51 …
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#21 ·
Robert Cruz5 said:Man!

First off, those two were practically baiting him, and then he goes and catches the Dane right in the head with an elbow. Honestly? He earned that red card. But before that mess happened, the refs handed out two cards to the Americans—completely out of nowhere. It felt like they were just manufacturing ejections so the Danes wouldn't have any trouble closing out the game. Whether the Americans were just falling apart in the second half or the Danes were simply playing better—which doesn't matter—it’s like the refs were actively stepping in to help Denmark out.

Oh, sure, "coincidence"... coincidentally, he was backing up butt-first and flailing his elbows left and right five or six times before finally catching someone with one...

The Americans had every reason to be frustrated; pulling players back and getting worked up when someone jumps and lands right in front of you is definitely enough to trigger an ejection...
Robert Cruz5 Robert Cruz5 Member
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#22 ·
Adam Collins4 said:"Accidentally," huh? Funny how that works—he was basically shuffling backward with his backside leading the way, flailing his elbows left and right like a maniac, until he finally decided to catch someone with one. I guess that's just what they call an accident these days.

The Mexican players had every right to leave—it was a legitimate exit. Between the constant retreating and the way they were physically intimidating players who were clearly in their prime and just passing them by, an ejection was honestly inevitable.

I never said it happened "by accident." And all this fussing and fretting over the floor—claiming the Danes were behind it—is a bit much. My humble opinion? They wouldn't have even lasted two minutes. Still, I can't say anything for certain since I only caught the last twenty minutes or so of the game.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#23 ·
Robert Cruz5 said:I didn't say anything about it being "accidental." And all this whining and stressing over the foul—claiming the Danes did it—is just noise. In my humble opinion, they wouldn't have even gotten two minutes. Then again, I can't say for certain since I only caught the last 20 minutes or so of the match.

When someone starts intentionally elbowing people or hunting for a neck while backing up through a crowd, a red card is the only real solution...

Especially when it’s painfully obvious the kid is just losing his cool because he's losing the game—basically using violence to vent his frustrations...
rustywalker1 rustywalker1 Active Member
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joined Jun 2011
#24 ·
Benjamin Hall78 said:Denmark is playing like absolute garbage. They have zero middle ground, their right back plays like he’s stuck in the past, and they can't even set a basic defensive block.

So, does that mean we're just going to get crushed by both sides?🤷
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2015
#25 ·
Adam Collins4 said:"How is it that a place like Lund, Sweden, can pull off a World Championship in a little 3,000-seat 'school' gym, yet here in America, we can't manage a 6,500-seat venue and instead have to build some massive 12,000-seat arena? And why is it that Scandinavian journalists visiting the States get treated to free buffets of gourmet cheese, pastries, pasta, and lobster, while our local reporters over in Sweden probably have to pay for their own bottled water?"

by Bernard Juric

It's because they actually know how to manage things—they have a certain standard, I guess—whereas we don't really know how (or maybe we just don't want to), which is why we're constantly stuck in such a mess. Honestly, a great point.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#26 ·
Paul Jones7 said:it’s because they actually know how to manage things and maintain a certain standard—meanwhile, we don't (or maybe we just don't want to), which is why we're stuck in this mess. Great point.

It’s more than just that, though—the IHF and our national federation wouldn't even let them renovate the Flu arena; instead, they insisted on building an entirely new stadium from scratch...

So, it isn't strictly down to management alone...

though, I guess the whole bit about nutrition and logistics technically falls under your umbrella of "management"...
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#27 ·
Adam Collins4 said:It’s more than just that—the IHF and the national federation wouldn't even let them renovate the Flu arena; they were basically demanding a whole new stadium instead...

So it isn't strictly about how things are being managed...

though, I suppose the whole bit about catering and transport kind of falls under your point about management anyway...

we all know it's not just one thing; the bigger the infrastructure project, the more money there is to skim off the top... if we're being totally blunt...
Olivia Taylor2 Olivia Taylor2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2015
#28 ·
Adam Collins4 said:If you're intentionally aiming for someone's face or trying to grab their neck while backing up, a red card is the only way to go. Period.

Especially when it's obvious the kid is getting rattled by the loss and just taking his frustrations out on everyone else.

Quick question since we're already talking about officiating. Does the clock actually stop during a penalty shot?
dustypanther6 dustypanther6 Member
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#29 ·
Daniel Cooper40 said:Quick question since we're already debating officiating—does the clock actually have to stop during a penalty shot?

I think it's only during those final few minutes or when there's a suspension tied to the penalty. It used to be the standard rule, but they changed things. I'm sure McClellan can pull up the rulebook for us if we need the official word.🙂
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#30 ·
Daniel Cooper40 said:One question, since we’re already talking about officiating. Does the clock actually have to stop during a penalty shot?

No—it didn't used to be required either, unless there was a player serving a suspension...

But, according to the updated rulebook, you don't even have to do that anymore...

Unless, of course, you just called a penalty and a two-minute suspension at the exact same moment...

However, if the penalty is called but the scoreboard shows a suspension is active, play continues without a timeout...

The only exception is when the team with the suspended player is facing a penalty and the shooter starts stalling—trying to milk the clock as much as possible—in which case, you call a timeout...

On the flip side, if the team facing the penalty is the one with the suspended player and the shooter starts dragging their feet, there's no timeout. That's just their own "stupidity"—they're basically allowing the period where they're short-handed to tick away faster...

The clock only stops for a penalty shot when there's a goalkeeper change... which tends to confuse people, because since that's how it works now, but it didn't always...

Though, back in the day, people used to get tripped up by the clock stopping on a penalty while a suspension was in progress (a scenario that doesn't exist anymore), so you still hear folks in the stands yelling about it today...

Still, some people out there today still cling to the idea that the clock *must* stop for a penalty shot regardless of everything else—whether there's a suspension, whether the goalie changes, none of that matters...

And here’s another interesting little rule/instruction...

If there are 7, 6, or even 5 seconds left in the half or at the end of the game, and a penalty is called, you wait for the clock to run out before blowing the whistle for the shot...

Mind you, teams that are losing tend to get pretty heated about that one...

But it avoids that messy situation where you blow the whistle for the shot just a few seconds before the buzzer, the player aims for the net, takes the shot, and then the game ends while the ball is still mid-air...

Now *that* is a nightmare... because you have to redo the shot, and there is absolutely no way to explain that to the team that was awarded the penalty—especially if things were playing fair...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#31 ·
dustypanther6 said:I think it’s only during those last few minutes—and even then, only when there's a penalty involved with a suspension. It used to happen all the time, but not anymore. I'm sure McClellan will pull out the rulebook for us eventually. 🙂

It was never just the last few minutes... someone clearly got their wires crossed and confused this with some rule from little league football where they stop the clock in the final five minutes, and somehow that logic drifted over to handball...

When you call a two-minute suspension along with a penalty, you have to stop the clock—it's basic math, really. You need to pause things so you can actually track when that player is supposed to step back onto the court properly...

Because a two-minute suspension without a timeout is useless. You log it on the scoreboard, the suspension timer runs, the game clock runs, and the guy can just play dumb and wander around the floor trying to kill time...

But you're probably thinking about the 7-meter shots that happen while a player is serving a suspension... yeah, the clock used to stop for those, but it doesn't anymore—unless we're talking about the specific situations I mentioned above where players are just stalling...
dustypanther6 dustypanther6 Member
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#32 ·
Adam Collins4 said:It was never just about those last few minutes... someone clearly butchered that rule from little league where the clock stops for everyone during the final five, and then they applied that logic to handball...

When you call a penalty along with a suspension, you have to serve the 2 minutes. It’s purely because you called the 2-minute penalty, so it allows for a proper way to track when the player can actually step back onto the court...

Because a 2-minute suspension without a timeout is pointless. You put it on the scoreboard, the suspension clock runs, the game clock runs, and some idiot can just play dumb and stall all over the floor...

But you were probably thinking about those 7-meter throws awarded during a player's suspension period... yeah, back in the day the clock used to stop there, but it doesn't anymore... except in the situations I just mentioned, specifically to prevent stalling...

I was talking about the penalty and the suspension handed out alongside it. As far as I know, that's how it works now. And obviously the goalies too. But isn't there a rule that when there are only a few minutes left, they call a timeout for penalties regardless of whether it's a suspension or a goalie sub? Or is that just a referee's discretion, where most just call a timeout when the game is tight??

EDIT: and what kind of instruction is "6-7 seconds"? That's basically like giving an instruction that says "be dishonest."
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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#33 ·
I am absolutely fed up with the sheer incompetence being displayed lately. It is frankly exhausting to watch people stumble through basic tasks while expecting nothing but praise. We need to start demanding actual excellence instead of just settling for "good enough," because right now, "good enough" is dragging us all down into the dirt. It’s time to wake up and realize that mediocrity is a choice, and quite frankly, it's one we can no longer afford to make. kaže:
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It is absolutely infuriating how much double standards exist in this sport! How on earth can a place like Seattle host a World Championship in a mere 3,000-seat "school gym," yet when Miami wants to host an event, they’re told a 6,500-capacity arena won't cut it and they have to go out and build a massive 12,000-seat stadium? It makes zero sense. And don't even get me started on the hospitality—or lack thereof. You see Scandinavian journalists traveling through America and they’re getting treated like royalty, feasting for free on endless buffets of gourmet appetizers, pastries, artisanal cheeses, pasta dishes, and even fresh lobster. Meanwhile, our own reporters traveling over to the US have to pay for a simple bottle of water! It is a total slap in the face to our media professionals.

By Bernard Jurišić Jurisic
Look, I’ll be the first to admit that Bernard Jurišić Jurisic usually talks absolute nonsense, and honestly, I make it a point to skip his takes on ESPN entirely just to save myself the headache. But, damn it, he actually hit the nail on the head with this one.
Look, if you want to talk about the snacks and the cheese strips, sure—fine, they were decent. But let’s address the elephant in the room: the absolute amateur hour we’re witnessing with the organization of this World Championship. It is frankly embarrassing. I’ve seen better-managed websites in middle school computer labs; the official site looks like it was coded back in 1995 and never touched again. The lack of professionalism is staggering.
And why on earth are we even bothering to compare the arena in Miami to a venue in Austin that only holds 3,000 people? It’s an absurd comparison. You can't just lump them together like that—not every arena in Sweden is built to that same standard!

The 2011 World Championship held in Sweden was an absolute disaster from start to finish. It’s one of those tournaments that still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth whenever I think about how things unfolded on the court. Everything about that period felt disorganized and frustratingly inconsistent.
Seattle – 13,000
Chicago - 12,000
Austin - 8,500
Denver - 7,000
Indianapolis - 4,700
Columbus - 4,300
Lund - 3,000
Phoenix - 2.500

The 2009 World Championship. I still find myself getting worked up just thinking about that tournament. It was a rollercoaster, to say the least, and looking back, there are so many things that should have gone differently. We had the talent, we certainly had the grit, but sometimes it felt like everything just wasn't clicking when it mattered most. It remains one of those defining eras that stays burned into your memory.
The turnout in Miami was absolutely massive—we’re looking at a solid 15,000 people in attendance.
Miami — 12,000
San Diego - 8,600
Pittsburgh - 5,200
St. Louis - 3,600
Key West - 3,500
New Orleans - 2,100

Look, the arenas are all there, somewhere in the mix. I don't know if I'm being too hard on them, but if my memory serves, one of the fundamental requirements set by the International Handball Federation for hosting a World Championship is that the venues actually meet specific standards. It isn't just about having a roof over your head; it's about meeting those strict organizational benchmarks. Two. Let’s be perfectly clear about this: if we want to host top-tier international events, our arenas need to be massive. We are talking about venues that can comfortably hold upwards of 10,000 people. Anything less than that is simply insufficient for the scale of competition we should be aiming for. It's basic math and common sense.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#34 ·
dustypanther6 said:I was actually thinking about a penalty combined with a red card—that whole situation. As far as I know, that's how it works now. Plus you've got the keepers in the mix. Isn't there supposed to be a rule where if there's only a few minutes left, they call a Time Out regardless of whether it's due to an ejection or a goalie sub? Or is that just a referee's discretion? It feels like most refs call a Time Out when the game is tight anyway.

EDIT: And what kind of directive is that, regarding the 6-7 second window? That’s basically like being told, "Hey, go ahead and play dirty."

Well, it’s always going to work that way—the 7-meter shot plus those two minutes—but only because you have to call a Time Out to account for the ejection. If you don't, the clock on the scoreboard keeps running down while the player is serving their suspension, which isn't fair. Otherwise, players might just start stalling on the court for another 10 or 15 seconds to kill time...

There isn't some official rulebook chapter for that; it's entirely up to the ref's judgment, really...

Look, the rulebook isn't telling you to be dishonest... obviously, if things are even, you call the Time Out and wait for everyone to get set for the shot...

But if you're certain there's zero chance of the score changing, you just let the clock run out so they don't have to redo the shot later...

Because this isn't basketball—where you're obsessing over whether the ball left the hand a millisecond before the buzzer. In handball, the entire ball has to clear the imaginary goal line before the final whistle blows...
swiftwalker43 swiftwalker43 Member
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joined Apr 2011
#35 ·
I caught the replay of the USA-Mexico game today. I missed the first half and only saw the second, but man, the Americans just absolutely steamrolled the Mexicans. They played with this insane speed and rotation that left the Mexican side looking completely lost and totally disorganized. It was like they were just trying to play hero individually instead of actually running an organized offense.
Now, I'm sitting here wondering... were the Americans really that fast, or were the Mexicans just that sluggish? Honestly, I’d lean toward the latter.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#36 ·
The Mexicans are just sluggish and clunky—they’ve got zero playmaking rhythm, and their transition defense is slow and messy as hell. That’s pretty much the whole story...

In my opinion, the Danes were even slower than usual today. They aren't hitting those fast breaks like they used to, and honestly, they should have been putting way more pressure on that disorganized Mexican defense...
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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joined Oct 2003
#37 ·
And just like that, the Slovakian squad continues their streak of absolute disasters on this site 🤣

The South Koreans and the Poles played an incredibly ugly first half. Korea can't get anything going from the perimeter, while Poland is stuck playing like they're stuck in a rut. Honestly, it wouldn't be the worst thing if they just slept through the second half and surrendered the points.
gentlebear47 gentlebear47 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#38 ·
Adam Collins4 said:The Mexicans are just slow and clunky. They’ve got zero floor generalship, their transition defense is sluggish and messy, and honestly? That’s pretty much it...

I think the Americans were even slower than usual today. In my opinion, they aren't pushing those fast breaks like they used to. And man, against that unorganized Mexican defense, they should have been putting up way more points...

👍

It looks like Hansen absolutely loved playing against FC Barcelona because he was popping up from ten meters out with zero resistance, finishing the game with like 10 goals!🙏
Betty Wilson4 Betty Wilson4 Newcomer
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#39 ·
It feels like the Americans are seriously dangerous this time around. They remind me of that squad from a few years back that absolutely crushed everyone in their path to take the championship title. You have to watch out—they play like they own the home court, and let’s be honest, the officiating usually leans heavily in their favor. Unless, of course, they run into the host nation. In that case, you’d need to be up by at least five goals just to scrape by with a single-goal win. That’s exactly what I loathe about handball and water polo—it’s hard to change, but those refs can absolutely script an entire game.
As for the "brothers," anything goes with them except for a stable system. It means if they’re having a good day, they can step on anyone's throat, but they can also completely choke against some underdog teams from the West. They’ve got talented individuals—I’d even venture to say they’re more gifted than the Americans—but handball isn't just about flair. More often than not, it comes down to ironclad discipline, which is something those North Americans are practically legendary for. This is going to be ugly for both sides...
BTW, who’s playing tonight and where can I catch the stream?
Sandra Johnson58 Sandra Johnson58 Active Member
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#40 ·
Roger Allen3 said:so yeah, the Czechs just keep embarrassing themselves on this sub🤣

I mean, aren't they basically nothing in handball? Like, the only thing they actually have going for them is that guy Straňovský from Ademar.

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