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Spanish Embassy (San Francisco-California) May 22, 2011

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Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#41 ·
Frank Collins85 said:I can't help but wonder how Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes-Benz, and Renault are going to embarrass themselves again while trailing behind those incredibly aerodynamically efficient cars owned by the big beverage corporations.

The Ferrari wasn't an embarrassment at all during the race in Turkey.
The pit crew? Sure. But the car and the drivers? Not even close.
Edward Miller9 Edward Miller9 Member
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#42 ·
Nathan Jones98 said:The world’s gonna end before Grandpa finally wakes up—honestly, his only shot at winning right now would be pulling an Indianapolis 2005 move, and even then, he's got Nico Rosberg breathing down his neck.

I'm not really sure why anyone thinks Rosberg is better than him, other than being younger.😁
Coming back after four years while all these new kids are out there... I don't know, you have to respect that. He probably still has plenty left in the tank, but like hollowdriver18 said, if he isn't feeling the spark or enjoying the racing anymore, he's not going to get much done.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#43 ·
Joshua Doyle11 said:Word on the street is that Mercedes-Benz is rolling out a brand new exhaust setup this weekend, inspired by what Renault has been doing, along with those famous flexible wings.🙂
It’ll be interesting to see how much that actually gives the German team an edge, especially since everyone else is showing up to the table with their own fresh updates too.🤷

I honestly feel like Michael Schumacher hasn't quite said his final word just yet.🙂
He didn't just come back to scrap for a single point here and there; he's clearly looking to kickstart his momentum and get those results rolling again.
It feels like a total pipe dream right now, but hey, you can never say never.

Yeah... but I don't even see the drive in him, which is what makes this whole thing feel so illogical to me...

...for instance, during that last race in Turkey, his move to "close the door" on Vitaly Petrov was half-hearted at best... he didn't even defend properly, and when Petrov lunged down the inside, he didn't react fast enough... it looked incredibly unfocused for him, almost like he just didn't care.

Then again... if he lands on the podium or somehow pulls off a win, I’m certain that would be enough to "bring him back to life."
Edward Miller9 Edward Miller9 Member
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#44 ·
wiredtiger8 said:Yeah... but I don't even see the drive in him, which is what makes this whole thing feel so illogical to me...

...for instance, during that last race in Turkey, his move to "close the door" on Vitaly Petrov was half-hearted at best... he didn't even defend properly, and when Petrov lunged down the inside, he didn't react fast enough... it looked incredibly unfocused for him, almost like he just didn't care.

Then again... if he lands on the podium or somehow pulls off a win, I’m certain that would be enough to "bring him back to life."

exactly 👍
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#45 ·
I've been thinking about it, and honestly, the way they shut down Rubens last year was quite a decisive move, wasn't it? 😉
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#46 ·
mistybear87 said:I've been thinking about it, and honestly, the way they shut down Rubens last year was quite a decisive move, wasn't it? 😉

Yeah, sure, but I’m talking about Vitaly Petrov.

Look, when you're dealing with Rubens, Schumi would pull the exact same move again... don't you doubt it for a second. 😁
Keith Rodriguez27 Keith Rodriguez27 Active Member
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#47 ·
Honestly, watching Schumi go through this is just painful. I get it—people have their opinions, calling him dirty or unfair or whatever, and yeah, some folks probably get a kick out of seeing him struggle like this. But if I were in their shoes? Man, I’d feel terrible for a guy who conquered everything there was to conquer in his career, only to spend these last couple of seasons spiraling like this.

It feels like he's just drowning in frustration. It isn't even about the car being a lemon; it's the fact that his younger teammate is absolutely smoking him on track. I mean, does anything actually change during the spring or summer stretch leading up to Singapore? Honestly, it would surprise me more if he actually showed up on the grid next year than if he just pulls the plug a few races before the season ends. That third scenario seems like the most likely outcome. He didn't come back to fight for 12th place—scraping together a point here and there against guys like Renault's Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, or Buemi. He came back to be right up there in the standings, if not staring down a podium finish.

What a disaster. Just a pathetic end for a legend and an absolute F1 icon.
neonfalcon16 neonfalcon16 Regular
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#48 ·
I’m bracing myself for the unexpected. ☕
Edward Miller9 Edward Miller9 Member
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#49 ·
Keith Rodriguez27 said:Honestly, watching Schumi go through this is just painful. I get it—people have their opinions, calling him dirty or unfair or whatever, and yeah, some folks probably get a kick out of seeing him struggle like this. But if I were in their shoes? Man, I’d feel terrible for a guy who conquered everything there was to conquer in his career, only to spend these last couple of seasons spiraling like this.

It feels like he's just drowning in frustration. It isn't even about the car being a lemon; it's the fact that his younger teammate is absolutely smoking him on track. I mean, does anything actually change during the spring or summer stretch leading up to Singapore? Honestly, it would surprise me more if he actually showed up on the grid next year than if he just pulls the plug a few races before the season ends. That third scenario seems like the most likely outcome. He didn't come back to fight for 12th place—scraping together a point here and there against guys like Renault's Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, or Buemi. He came back to be right up there in the standings, if not staring down a podium finish.

What a disaster. Just a pathetic end for a legend and an absolute F1 icon.

🙏
hollowdriver18 hollowdriver18 Active Member
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#50 ·
mistybear87 said:I've been thinking about it, and honestly, the way they shut down Rubens last year was quite a decisive move, wasn't it? 😉

wiredtiger8 said:Yeah, sure, but I’m talking about Vitaly Petrov.

Look, when you're dealing with Rubens, Schumi would pull the exact same move again... don't you doubt it for a second. 😁

😁😁😁

Keith Rodriguez27 said:Honestly, watching Schumi go through this is just painful. I get it—people have their opinions, calling him dirty or unfair or whatever, and yeah, some folks probably get a kick out of seeing him struggle like this. But if I were in their shoes? Man, I’d feel terrible for a guy who conquered everything there was to conquer in his career, only to spend these last couple of seasons spiraling like this.

It feels like he's just drowning in frustration. It isn't even about the car being a lemon; it's the fact that his younger teammate is absolutely smoking him on track. I mean, does anything actually change during the spring or summer stretch leading up to Singapore? Honestly, it would surprise me more if he actually showed up on the grid next year than if he just pulls the plug a few races before the season ends. That third scenario seems like the most likely outcome. He didn't come back to fight for 12th place—scraping together a point here and there against guys like Renault's Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, or Buemi. He came back to be right up there in the standings, if not staring down a podium finish.

What a disaster. Just a pathetic end for a legend and an absolute F1 icon.

Why?

I just showed that he’s only human, nothing more. Honestly, seeing him struggle like that actually makes me respect his greatness even more.
Look, it wasn't even about creating a bottleneck up front; the mess was happening right in the middle.
Big deal. 🤷

Why all the mystification surrounding these idols? At the end of the day, they’re just people like the rest of us—maybe with some freakish talent or a specific trait that sets them apart from the average Joe, but that's it. They're just human.
No icons, for crying out loud. 😁
Joshua Doyle11 Joshua Doyle11 Active Member
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#51 ·
Amanda Kelly said:The Ferrari wasn't an embarrassment at all during the race in Turkey.
The pit crew? Sure. But the car and the drivers? Not even close.


Spot on.

Ferrari really stepped up their game during the race in Turkey, and they managed to claw back some ground in qualifying too.
It feels like they’re finally heading in the right direction.

Even though I'm not exactly rooting for the crew over in Maranello, it's honestly much more exciting to watch them fighting at the front of the pack.

That applies to the Spaniard when it comes to chasing the lead, while Felipe Massa is really in a league of his own.
gentlebear47 gentlebear47 Member
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#52 ·
I seriously cannot believe there are still people out there trying to argue that Nick isn't absolutely dominating a guy like Grandpa. 🤦

Last year was basically just a total blowout, but this year? It’s getting even more ridiculous!
Keith Rodriguez27 Keith Rodriguez27 Active Member
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#53 ·
hollowdriver18 said:😁😁😁

Why?

I just showed that he’s only human, nothing more. Honestly, seeing him struggle like that actually makes me respect his greatness even more.
Look, it wasn't even about creating a bottleneck up front; the mess was happening right in the middle.
Big deal. 🤷

Why all the mystification surrounding these idols? At the end of the day, they’re just people like the rest of us—maybe with some freakish talent or a specific trait that sets them apart from the average Joe, but that's it. They're just human.
No icons, for crying out loud. 😁

It's not about mystifying any idols. Besides, he couldn't even be my idol since I didn't watch a single race he competed in until last season.

The point is, this guy is a seven-time world champion. When a driver like that lines up on the grid, he wants to win. He wants podiums. He wants to be at least 4th or 5th in the standings. Let's not forget he hasn't finished below 5th place since his first full F1 season.

But, even if we ignore all that and look at one massive fact—the fact that he's driving a garbage car—he can't even beat his younger teammate who is sitting in the exact same machine. And it's not like that kid has done anything mind-blowing so far; he's decent, but he should be way more competitive than he is.

Anyway, let's toss the results, the points, and the standings aside for a second. What really bugs me—and what people have been saying for a while now—is that he's lost the passion and the drive to race. Yeah, that's directly tied to everything I just mentioned, but that's the bigger issue here.

I watched his interview on the BBC after Turkey, and you can see it in his eyes, his body language, even his words—the guy is crushed. But it's not just being bummed out by a result with the hope and determination that things will improve next race. It's being disappointed without any of that grit left. It's like he's just exhausted by everything and is just waiting for the season to be over. And we're only four races in.

Bottom line, I think everyone is disappointed with his results and points, which is a pretty big deal in this situation, but the real kicker is that spark in his driving. It's gone. And that's the main reason he'll probably retire way sooner than expected, if you ask me.
Edward Miller9 Edward Miller9 Member
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#54 ·
gentlebear47 said:I seriously cannot believe there are still people out there trying to argue that Nick isn't absolutely dominating a guy like Grandpa. 🤦

Last year was basically just a total blowout, but this year? It’s getting even more ridiculous!

Nobody's actually disputing Nick's dominance over Grandpa; we all watch the races and see what's happening on the track. 😁 But I don't think anyone can claim Nick is the better driver either—he hasn't really proven himself yet. 🙄
Keith Rodriguez27 put it perfectly. Grandpa seems to have lost his fire and his drive to race, and you can see it in his attitude and his driving. Between that, a car that isn't competitive right now, and some questionable calls, he just can't get ahead. I know he's not everyone's favorite, but the guy is a seven-time world champion and one of the best to ever sit in an F1 car, which is undeniable. It feels like people were just waiting for him to struggle so they could jump on the bandwagon, but the best way to shut them up would be to see him back on the podium before he finally hangs it up. 🎉
hollowdriver18 hollowdriver18 Active Member
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#55 ·
@ Keith Rodriguez27, look, everyone goes through phases where they feel invincible and others where they're just mediocre at best. We all have those stretches where we aren't exactly performing at our peak.

It really just comes down to how you handle yourself during those dips—how self-aware you are about your limits and whether you can actually tell when it's time to pivot or just change course entirely.🙂

If you ask me, he didn't embarrass himself at all. In fact,😳 he still delivered some pretty great moments.
Plus... I honestly never saw any of that frustration you guys keep talking about actually play out.

As for that whole thing with Rubens... I don't even count that as serious. It felt more like a joke, or honestly, just messing around.😳😁😁
gentlebear47 gentlebear47 Member
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#56 ·
Edward Miller9 said:Nobody's actually disputing Nick's dominance over Grandpa; we all watch the races and see what's happening on the track. 😁 But I don't think anyone can claim Nick is the better driver either—he hasn't really proven himself yet. 🙄
Keith Rodriguez27 put it perfectly. Grandpa seems to have lost his fire and his drive to race, and you can see it in his attitude and his driving. Between that, a car that isn't competitive right now, and some questionable calls, he just can't get ahead. I know he's not everyone's favorite, but the guy is a seven-time world champion and one of the best to ever sit in an F1 car, which is undeniable. It feels like people were just waiting for him to struggle so they could jump on the bandwagon, but the best way to shut them up would be to see him back on the podium before he finally hangs it up. 🎉

Look, I was one of those die-hard Šumijev fans back in the day until 2006. When he retired, he should've stayed retired, though I'll admit his comeback definitely caught my attention too.

Whether Nico has "proven himself" or not is a massive debate. I mean, he's driving the exact same car that you're saying is uncompetitive for Grandpa. With this car, he snagged three podiums last year, yet ten days ago he was sitting in 5th. And don't even get me started on how bad Williams has been lately! 🙏
Adam Jones Adam Jones Newcomer
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#57 ·
Edward Miller9 said:I thought you weren't really into dedin 🤔

You got that wrong. I've loved him since I was a kid, and I'll love him for the rest of my life because of everything he did in F1.🙏
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#58 ·
The blown diffusers from the Spanish Embassy are officially a thing of the past.

Basically, those blown diffusers work by keeping the throttle engaged through the corner, ensuring the exhaust gases are constantly pumping out at high pressure. It’s a clever way to massively boost the downforce generated by the diffuser.

However, the FIA has stepped in and capped the throttle opening during braking at just 10% of its maximum value.

What’s really interesting here is that while almost every team will feel the sting of this change, there’s a strong suspicion that certain teams are going to lose a much larger chunk of their performance than others.

According to the article, McLaren believes their whole strategy for closing the gap to Red Bull relies heavily on their engine mapping. With this new rule, that entire advantage could be completely wiped out.

We'll just have to wait and see how the teams manage to adapt this weekend. Who knows? Some of us might even find ourselves rethinking our predictions. 😬
Keith Rodriguez27 Keith Rodriguez27 Active Member
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#59 ·
mistybear87 said:The blown diffusers from the Spanish Embassy are officially a thing of the past.

Basically, those blown diffusers work by keeping the throttle engaged through the corner, ensuring the exhaust gases are constantly pumping out at high pressure. It’s a clever way to massively boost the downforce generated by the diffuser.

However, the FIA has stepped in and capped the throttle opening during braking at just 10% of its maximum value.

What’s really interesting here is that while almost every team will feel the sting of this change, there’s a strong suspicion that certain teams are going to lose a much larger chunk of their performance than others.

According to the article, McLaren believes their whole strategy for closing the gap to Red Bull relies heavily on their engine mapping. With this new rule, that entire advantage could be completely wiped out.

We'll just have to wait and see how the teams manage to adapt this weekend. Who knows? Some of us might even find ourselves rethinking our predictions. 😬

Horner🙂

We’re winning, so obviously everyone’s out to get us. 🙂

Otherwise, this could actually be a killer weekend with this rule change hitting. I'm hoping it cranks up the tension at the front of the pack, even if just a little bit. But honestly, looking at how things are going right now, Red Bull (mostly Vettel) looks so dominant that one single regulation tweak—which basically hits everyone anyway—might be exactly what they need to slow down and hand the lead over to McLaren or whoever else is lurking.
Joshua Doyle11 Joshua Doyle11 Active Member
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#60 ·
Keith Rodriguez27 said:Horner🙂

We’re winning, so obviously everyone’s out to get us. 🙂

Otherwise, this could actually be a killer weekend with this rule change hitting. I'm hoping it cranks up the tension at the front of the pack, even if just a little bit. But honestly, looking at how things are going right now, Red Bull (mostly Vettel) looks so dominant that one single regulation tweak—which basically hits everyone anyway—might be exactly what they need to slow down and hand the lead over to McLaren or whoever else is lurking.

About 90% of the grid is running a blown diffuser.☕
We're in for an interesting weekend seeing who can actually adapt best to this sudden shift in the blown diffuser regulations.

The FIA dropping a decision like this just a few days before a Grand Prix? It definitely feels a little suspicious to me.🤷

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