What do you guys think about the criteria?

Hey there, forum mods.

Let’s get one thing straight right out of the gate: I’m [Name]'s husband, not some carbon copy of someone else. ☕

Look, I hope you guys can respect my right to speak my mind even if you hate what I have to say. Here’s my take: I see way too many threads where people are allowed to just dump all their hateful, racist, sexist, militant, religious, and straight-up aggressive garbage without anyone stepping in. Get outta here with that ad hominem crap. Stick to the argument. Like the guys on the soccer team—Clint Eastwood just clones the mods whenever he feels like it.
Look, since you guys backed Deedy in his totally irrational crusade against Zidić just out of some sense of camaraderie, I need to ask: am I even someone with any integrity left? Is it even worth me staying on to handle mod and admin duties here? The guy’s language in that "Men's Corner" PDF is honestly revolting—it reads like something straight out of a gutter, full of that aggressive, low-life slang used by thugs who only feel big when they're punching down at people with less power. Given all that, I'm questioning if I can still hold this position with my head held high.

You know exactly who I’m talking about. Given my luck, I'm expecting this thread to get nuked immediately—even if that totally goes against everything we stand for here on the forums. Still, I'm gonna hold out a little hope that someone actually steps up with some real arguments to counter the criticism. I'll be hanging around, respectfully. Cheers.

Here’s a quick look at the kind of chat the mods let slide on the forum:

As one of the last two remaining actual women from this notorious group, I simply have to demand an answer from mellowraven22: WHY? Why on earth are you turning this forum into a complete joke?

The sheer amount of nonsense, stupidity, and bot-like clones you allow to hang around is staggering. Look, restlessbison25 already told me not to repeat myself, but here we go—it seems someone decided to target a few women who actually enjoy a bit of banter and sarcasm, just so they could drive us away. Apparently, the rules are different for us; we aren't allowed to participate or deal with the clones. Everyone complains when the conversation shifts to the off-topic boards, but no—suddenly, only the women are barred from the off-topic section.
God, you people are honestly pathetic.

Come on, this is a virtual community! Most people come here to have a good time. It’s not as if everyone is interested in just posting pictures of their meals or talking about what they're cooking for dinner all day long. 🤷

Kimberly Garcia74 said:Look, as one of the last two actual living members of this notorious little clique, I just have to ask mellowraven22—WHY? Why are you guys turning this whole forum into a joke?

Honestly, I can't believe I even have to explain this to an adult. Your "friends" who claim they’re "just messing around" clearly have this obsessive need to make clone accounts and trash other sub-forums just because they're bored. Then, they move on to harassing people via PMs—believe me, I've seen some seriously nasty stuff in my inbox. This isn't some middle school playground where you can act out like this. (If the insults were at least clever, I wouldn't care so much, but they're basically seventh-grade level.)

The last time I shut down the sandbox, you guys messed up again, so I really hoped you'd take the hint this time. I've looked the other way a hundred times, but yeah, my patience actually does have a limit. And you guys just hit it hard with all these clones, the spamming over on KzB and PŽK, and those insulting PMs flying around. Honestly, the threats and the insults don't even bother me; that's just stuff kids and people acting like children do.

So, I think we've given you plenty of chances to fix how you act. Since you either don't want to or simply can't change, I don't really see any other choice left besides handing out month-long bans.

restlessbison25 said:Check out this conversation that the politeness police on this forum actually let slide:

The thing is, we don't ban them just because they stopped following the PZK rules. They realized they were messing up and started trying to fix their attitude. That's way different from those trolls that make this whole "so much fun" drama circle go round.

Sometimes, I find myself spiraling into these intense, circular arguments over absolutely nothing—never anything serious, mind you, just trivial nonsense where I’m essentially picking fights with my own shadow.

😳

Does this mean the moderators are going to swoop in and hit me with a permanent ban for talking to myself?

Besides, I’m not even trying to hide my alter egos; they aren't exactly difficult to spot.
Every single one of them sports the exact same signature, similar titles, and the same location.

mellowraven22 said:Honestly, I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult—your "friends" who claim they just love to "mess around" have this pathological need to create clone accounts, clutter up other subforums just because they’re bored, and then they feel the need to harass people via private messages (trust me, I've seen some truly nasty stuff in my inbox). This forum isn't a playground for you to act out. (If the insults were at least remotely creative, I wouldn't mind so much, but they're stuck at a middle-school level).

The last time I locked down the sandbox, you all caused a mess, so I genuinely hoped you'd take the hint this time around. After turning a blind eye a hundred times only to see the exact same behavior repeated—well, my patience has its limits. And you just crossed that line with a massive wave of clone accounts, spamming the KzB and PŽK sections, and flooding people with offensive PMs. Frankly, I couldn't care less about the threats or the insults; that kind of behavior is reserved for children and those who act like them.

At this point, I think we've given you more than enough chances to fix your attitude. Since you're either unwilling or unable to change, you haven't really left me with any choice other than handing out month-long bans.

That isn't true; they don't act like that. Can you just provide the usernames or post the screenshots of those PMs?😕

Just show something—I won't have every single bit of nonsense blamed on Zidić, especially when anyone can pretend to be whoever they want here and send PMs whenever they feel like it.

Kimberly Garcia74 said:that’s just not true, they don't operate like that. Can you share the usernames or maybe just post those PMs?😕

Look, if it isn't one of those two specifically, then it’s definitely someone from their same circle. I can't drop the PMs or the handles, unfortunately.

And even if it wasn't Wilibald or anyone else, the bottom line stays the same. I swear I've run into about ten different clones of both of them in just the last few hours, and honestly, I'm not changing my mind. I didn't strip the original accounts of their access to the PŽK because I have zero interest in arguing with burner accounts, but hey, if they want to reach out using their actual names, I'm all ears.

I'll try to ignore the fact that you didn't address a single point I made, but please don't use this as an excuse to spin the narrative. You're arguing against things I never even claimed or questioned.

mellowraven22, look at your logic here: you wiped out an entire thread that tons of people were following with a smile. Meanwhile, we see actual serious meltdowns on this forum all the time that get way lighter sanctions. There’s no debate there; it's obvious to everyone, including you.

Of course that triggered a wave of clones. But as far as I know (and seriously, I'm telling you: I know things I probably shouldn't), there weren't any offensive PMs coming from the Zidić crowd. Those happened elsewhere, if you catch my drift.

But hey, believe whatever you want; nobody can stop you. Power and authority should go hand-in-hand with ethics, responsibility, and keeping a cool head.

Any unbiased observer can clearly see the anger and bias toward the Zidić group bubbling up in your post right now. You guys delete them the second they even breathe in the wrong direction.

So, you're basically saying you deleted the Zidić crew just because you didn't like it (and maybe because they're women? God forbid I suggest discrimination) that something was on the same level as the elementary school trolling you're accusing those same Zidić folks of doing.

The real damage to this forum is being done by other members. Just think about that.

mellowraven22 said:Look, I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult—your "friends" who claim they’re "just messing around" have this obsessive need to make clone accounts, trash other sub-forums just because they're bored, and then they feel the need to harass people via PMs (trust me, I've seen some nasty stuff in those private messages). This isn't a playground. (If the insults were actually clever, I wouldn't care, but they're stuck at a middle school level).>

The last time I locked down the sandbox, you guys caused a mess, so I actually thought you'd learn your lesson this time. But after looking the other way a hundred times only to see the same patterns, well, my patience has limits. You hit that limit with the massive wave of clones, the spamming on KzB and PŽK, and the constant stream of insulting PMs. Honestly, the threats and insults don't bother me—that's just stuff kids deal with, or people who act like them.

I think we've given you plenty of chances to fix your behavior—since you either won't or can't, I don't see any other option left besides month-long bans.>

mellowraven22 said:Note that we don't allow access if a member stops posting on PŽK but realizes they messed up and starts trying to fix their attitude. That's a far cry from the troll crowd making this whole "so much fun" drama happen.>

I can't even process this. First off, you didn't give us any chance to explain ourselves. Unlike other users, we never had a shot because everything we wrote on PŽK gets shut down immediately. Also, I don't get the attitude—what kind of "sandbox" did you even open and allow? And why call it a sandbox? What "messing around on other forums" are you talking about (are you blaming everything on Zidić?) How many actual chances did you give us to correct things? Why label us all trolls when we haven't been allowed to participate in any thread on the site?
As for the insulting PMs, none of us sent anything. Anyone could have made a clone and pretended to be us—feel free to post the messages and the handles used for the threats. Nobody from Zidić did it. You gave me a permaban and I haven't even been on the site since.
Talking about being objective is ridiculous when the admin called us "idiots" and Zidić a "playground for idiots" without knowing anything about us, based solely on what someone told him out of pure spite.
We got banned for absolutely NOTHING; you just handed them out for no reason. Meanwhile, the guy in that link gets away with way more😕 than what was recently said on that specific forum, and he doesn't even get a single ban!!!
If you have to act like a bully toward a few women, I wonder how you'd handle a group of men. Actually, I know exactly how it would go, based on what happened recently with the Clint Eastwoods. Nothing would happen.

Look, if you're gonna throw around claims about alleged PMs, back them up with actual proof. BECAUSE THIS IS A TOTAL LIE. Zidić hasn't sent any insults—someone is clearly just weaponizing his name. (I mean, how low can they go to try and tear us down 🙏)

Hope you got that beer you were promised at the start of the trek against Zidić 🙂

Scott Alvarez64 said:Unlike the other users here, we didn't even have a shot.

Actually, you can still access KzB using your original usernames.

everything we wrote on PZK is getting shut down

And besides—jumping into threads titled like delete, delete. we'll see who gets bored first :clint: or Zidić isn't just one person. yeah, we're crazy and we've got nothing better to do :lux: 🏈 :D? Sorry, but I'm not about to react to that kind of nonsense. I'm just tossing it in the trash.

Also, I don't get why this guy is acting so high and mighty. What kind of sandbox did you open and allow? And what's with that name, Sandbox?

How else am I supposed to name Zidić? That was basically your private playground where you guys made clones and ran around acting out with those same fake accounts doing stupid stuff.

What kind of chance did you give us to fix things? Why are you calling us trolls? Like, we didn't have any right to participate in any thread on the forum?

Look, check out your history on Pet, for example—I honestly have zero complaints there. So what's the issue? It’s obvious you can act like an adult, so why won't you?

You gave me a permaban and I haven't even been on the forum since.

It's not a permanent ban. Right now, it's just a 30-day ban.

Talking about objectivity is insane when the admin called us "idiots" and called Zidić a "playground for idiots" without knowing anything about him, based purely on what someone told him about us out of a personal grudge.

Wait, you actually believe I didn't go check before I took action? You guys have been under observation for a long, long time.

Not to mention everything they were telling you all recently from that certain PDF, and yet no one gets anything, not even a single permaban!!!

That's not true. There were permabans, and there were even abuse reports.

So, you have to play the tough guy act against a few women... honestly, I wonder what would happen if we were actually a group of guys. Actually, I already know how it’d go, just based on what happened recently with the Clint Eastwoods. NOTHING would happen.

How did it go? We pulled off such a massacre that even Himmler would be embarrassed by us.

Look, when you make claims about supposed PMs, back them up with actual proof. BECAUSE THIS IS A TOTAL LIE. Zidić hasn't sent anyone any insults; clearly, someone is just weaponizing their name. (I can't believe how low people will sink just to destroy us :s)

Okay, during the last Zidić invasion I was getting vulgar PMs, and now I'm getting vulgar PMs again, and I'm supposed to believe it's all just a coincidence? It's not like they bother me—I get them all the time and they don't really affect me, except that it's just sad that people on this forum aren't even capable of insulting a person intelligently.

Hope you got that beer you were promised at the start of the crusade against Zidić :)

Oh for crying out loud 🙄

Eric Collins5, alright, that’s enough.

mellowraven22 said:Yeah, you can still access the KzB using your original handles.

And as for—posting in threads titled delete, delete.let's see who gets bored first🙂 or Zidić isn't just one person. yeah, we're crazy and wasting our 👋 time :yankees: 😁? Sorry, but I have zero intention of reacting to that kind of nonsense—I’m just tossing it in the trash.

How else am I supposed to name Zidić? That was basically your private playground where you made clones just to run around and cause trouble with them.

Look, check out your history on Pets, for example—honestly, I have no complaints there. So what's the issue? It’s obvious you *can* act like an adult, so why won't you?

It's not a permanent ban; right now, it's just a 30-day suspension.

Wait, do you actually think I didn't check things before acting? I've been watching you guys for a long, long time.

That's not true. There were permanent bans, and even reports sent to abuse.

How did it go? We pulled off such a massacre that even Himmler would be embarrassed by us.

Okay, during the last Zidić invasion I was getting vulgar PMs, and now I'm getting vulgar PMs again—and I'm supposed to believe that's a coincidence? It doesn't bother me—I get them all the time—it just sucks that forum members aren't capable of insulting someone intelligently.

Good grief 🙄

Your response is pure proof that you have no idea whose clone is whose, or even who you're talking to, so none of your posts make sense. Neither does this stuff about PMs—I'm telling you nobody from Zidić sent them, and that’s not how we roll (we prefer everyone to see the 🙂 transcripts)
I didn't see any "massacre" you're talking about; all the original handles are active, ours aren't 🙄

I'm talking about the beginning, and I don't believe you checked everything. If you had, that last page of absolute nonsense wouldn't have been deleted, because it was just a few of us messing around with nothing to do with anything. Even if you wiped it all, the perms dropped for no reason (I think you know that yourself)
Why the eye roll? I haven't said anything untrue—wasn't that what you promised?

mellowraven22 said:Eric Collins5, alright, let's call it a day.

mellowraven22, I was truly trying to help you see how absurd this decision actually is, but instead of providing actual arguments, you’re just resorting to intimidation and threats.

It turns out this whole ruling ends up punishing the regular users who just use clones for a bit of harmless fun rather than for being outright abusive.
You can think whatever you want about me, but in all my time here, I have never—and I mean absolutely never—personally insulted anyone, whether it was in public threads or via private message.
Now, am I a troll? Am I provocative? Yes, that's true. But I buy my cards and bans without a second thought, and I never complain because, more often than not, I know I earned them.

You really need to learn how to tell the difference between a joke and a serious offense.

Best regards.

P.S.

I couldn't care less about Zidić; I don't even know what that is or who those people are. It just feels wrong to see everyone making such a huge fuss over people who are acting normally and just using clones to mess around.

mellowraven22, seriously—deleting posts where nobody even insulted anyone just proves my entire point. So, thanks for the "support."

This forum shouldn't be some private club for you and your buddies; it’s supposed to be a place built by the people who actually read and write here. Your job is to serve us, not the other way around. You're here for us, period.

Nothing lasts forever, or so they say.

mellowraven22 said:If it isn't one of those two specifically, then we’re looking at someone from their same circle. I can't disclose private PMs or specific usernames, unfortunately.

And even if it wasn't Wilibald or anyone else—it doesn't change the reality of the situation. I've probably had to ban about ten clones of both of them in just the last few hours, and frankly, I have no intention of reconsidering my decision. I didn't revoke access to the PZK using their original usernames because quite honestly, I have zero interest in debating with clones—but if they decide to reach out via their actual accounts, fine, we can talk.

you're wrong; I can say with absolute certainty that neither of those women would ever stoop so low as to send insults via PM, so you should probably realize whose clones are actually sending those messages.🤷

I don't know... why don't you at least tell those two which ten or so clones you've banned in the last few hours?🤷

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And while we're at it, why are you deleting other users' posts? On almost every other thread on the PZK, everyone is allowed to comment, but the moment it involves us, suddenly nobody is allowed to say a word.😕

I don't know... just tell those two which 10 or so clones you've supposedly banned in the last couple of hours 🤷

And he couldn't delete any clones either... because there aren't any. He's sitting right here next to me, I can see exactly what he's up to ☕

Alright, I’ve scrubbed this thread of all those useless fanboy posts and I'm locking it down since I’ve got Wilibald over on the KzB now.

Just felt like I owed Eric Collins5 a response:

Eric Collins5 said:mellowraven22, I was trying to help you see how absurd your decision actually is, but instead of using actual arguments, you're just resorting to intimidation and threats.

The reality is that the regular users are the ones getting screwed by this call—people who just use clones for a bit of fun, not to be jerks.
You can think whatever you want about me, but in all my time here, I haven't personally insulted anyone, period—not publicly and not in private messages.
If I troll or stir the pot, yeah, that's true. I buy my warnings and bans like anyone else and I never complain because most of the time, they're earned.

Learn to tell the difference between a joke and something serious.

Later.

P.S.

I don't care about Zidić. I have no idea what that is or who the people posting there are; I just think it's stupid that everyone is losing their minds over people acting normal and using clones just to mess around.

Look, sorry, but if the "joke" is only funny to the person telling it, then it isn't really successful humor. It's like a comedian who only thinks he's funny. You don't even have to imagine one; there are plenty of them at any local amateur stand-up night.

I don't have a problem with messing around, as long as that messing around doesn't mess with the rest of the forum.

If you want to keep talking about this (which I'm totally fine with), feel free to start a new thread here or just hit me up via PM.