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America loses an Olympian: Jakob Fak heads to Canada

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Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2016
#81 ·
I was sitting there yesterday, nursing a lukewarm coffee and staring out at the gray skyline, just thinking about how much things change, you know? And my mind drifted back to that whole mess involving Hajduk and Šimić. It’s one of those situations that just makes you shake your head and wonder if anyone actually knows what they're doing anymore. You look at the way players come and go, the drama, the constant shifting of the guard—it’s like watching a slow-motion car crash where you can't quite tell if the driver is asleep or just bored. Honestly, it reminds me of some old friend I had back in Chicago who thought he could fix a broken engine by just yelling at it; sometimes, no matter how much passion you throw at a problem, the underlying mechanics are just fundamentally flawed. It's exhausting, really, trying to follow the trajectory of these clubs when it feels like the goalposts are being moved every single week by people who probably couldn't manage a lemonade stand, let alone a major sports franchise. kaže:
Well, you hit the nail right on the head there. Honestly, everything you just said? It’s all written in stone. You're spot on.
Man, $300,000 a year... just thinking about that kind of cash hitting a bank account makes my head spin, honestly. It’s one of those numbers that stays stuck in the back of your mind while you're staring at a lukewarm coffee on a Tuesday morning, wondering where it all went wrong. You start picturing the life—the house in the suburbs, maybe a decent car that doesn't rattle when you hit sixty, finally being able to breathe without checking your balance first. But then reality kicks in, and you realize how much of that is just smoke and mirrors in this country. It sounds like a dream until you actually try to live it, but still, damn. Coach. That’s all there is to it, isn't it? You spend your whole life thinking you've got the tactical side of things figured out, only to realize that at the end of the day, everything hinges on whoever's standing in that technical area holding the clipboard. It’s funny, actually—I was sitting in a greasy diner outside of Chicago last Tuesday, nursing a lukewarm coffee and watching some old guy try to explain the fundamentals of a pick-and-roll to his grandson, and it hit me how much weight we put on these "leaders." We look for these titans of industry or these legendary MLS managers to save us, but most of the time, they're just people trying to keep a group of egos from imploding before halftime. It’s a heavy burden, honestly. You can have all the talent in the world, but if the man in charge doesn't have the grit to stand his ground when the pressure is on, the whole thing falls apart like a cheap suit. It's exhausting just thinking about the mental toll it takes. Two hundred thousand. Honestly, Fak spent a massive chunk of his career coaching over in Canada—and look, if you ask me, most European national teams seem to have that down to a science, probably because those Canadian guys are just built differently when it comes to training. It’s not like anything would actually change around here regardless. The Federation even went as far as promising him all these fancy upgrades to his facilities, which is hilarious, considering he’s already been working with top-tier setups this whole time...

I was wondering, which other national teams is Velepec coaching these days?
So, you're asking me what I think about coaches juggling multiple national teams at once? Honestly, man, it feels like the whole system is just one big, messy corporate merger gone wrong. It’s all about maximizing the contract, isn't it? Why settle for one paycheck when you can grab two or three and pretend you aren't constantly living out of a suitcase? It’s exhausting just thinking about the logistics—the jet lag alone would drive anyone insane, let alone trying to implement two completely different tactical philosophies while flying back and forth between different time zones. It feels cheap, like they're trying to scale a startup instead of actually building a cohesive squad. You want a name? Fine. Look at someone like Gregg Berhalter—I mean, sure, he was focused on the USMNT, but you see these types of guys constantly hovering around various high-level gigs or trying to bridge the gap between club management and international duty. Or even look at how some of those heavy hitters in the MLS circles try to spread themselves thin. It’s always the same story: more money, more prestige, but way less soul. It’s just part of that modern, hyper-capitalist grind where everything is a side hustle if you play your cards right. Personally, I think it dilutes the quality for everyone involved. You can't give your heart to one flag if you've already signed a deal to represent another halfway across the globe. It’s just cynical.

I was sitting there at a bar in Chicago yesterday, just nursing a lukewarm beer and thinking about how things always seem to loop back around, you know? It reminds me of that whole mess with Šimić and the club—just one of those situations where everything feels like it’s spinning in circles without ever actually getting anywhere. It’s like watching a slow-motion car crash on the I-95; you want to look away because it’s painful, but you can't help but watch the wreckage unfold. There's this specific kind of frustration when you see a player or a coach tied to a legacy that just won't quit, regardless of whether they're actually helping the team win or just adding to the noise. Honestly, it makes me wonder if we even care about the actual game anymore, or if we just live for the drama of seeing big names stumble under the weight of their own history. Just another day in the life of an American sports fan, I guess, chasing ghosts and wondering why we keep expecting different results from the same old story. kaže:
So, Fak finally packed his bags and headed out, all because his coach gave him that impossible, heavy-handed ultimatum: "It’s either me, or you’re done with Team USA." Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised. It's always some dramatic, high-stakes nonsense like that when things start falling apart behind the scenes. It reminds me of this one time back in Chicago when my old boss tried to pull the same kind of power move during a merger, thinking he could just squeeze everyone until they broke. People think they can force these kinds of loyalty tests, but usually, it just ends up blowing up in their faces. Now he's gone, and frankly, the whole situation feels just as messy as I expected.
I honestly don't get why some people are still whining about how much this sucks for him. Like, give me a break. He left, he’s gone, and frankly, I hope he enjoys his new life—even if his career is basically circling the drain at this point. Honestly, who even cares? Just let the guy go.

I mean, seriously, can we just talk about how Velepec is out there coaching the Canadian national team and absolutely nobody else? It’s wild. I was sitting there thinking about it while waiting for my coffee this morning—just staring at the steam rising, wondering how things end up like this—and it really hits you how specific these career paths get. One minute you're just grinding, and the next, you're the guy leading a whole squad for a neighbor country while everyone else is left wondering what happened. It’s just one of those things that makes you shake your head and sigh, you know? Just total madness.
Look, if Mateša was lying through his teeth about Velepec showing up at his place, that’s just one more massive red flag in an already messy situation. Honestly, it gives him even more reason to walk away from the whole deal. I mean, think about it—if he’s willing to spin a yarn like that just to cover his tracks, who's to say he won't blow off every other promise he made too? Once you realize someone is playing games with the small stuff, you start wondering how much more of their word is actually worth anything at all. It's always the same story, isn't it? One lie turns out to be just the tip of the iceberg.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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joined Oct 2017
#82 ·
Good grief, people are still arguing about some guy from our neighboring state.
How about we shift the focus to Blaž Cof instead? Is that alright?
Within two years, everyone at ExxonMobil will be talking about Cof just like they did with Fak. It's inevitable.
Enough with the obsession over Fak already. Let's lock this thread. 🙂
hiddensurfer17 hiddensurfer17 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#83 ·
Niche, individual sports require a very specific breed of athlete to actually elevate the profile of the game here in America. You need outliers like Kostelić, Vlašić, or Ude to make any kind of dent in the global rankings...
As for Fak, he can just pack his bags and head over to Canada. Honestly, I don't see why we should waste another second of our attention on some guy representing a Canadian biathlete. It’s not like anyone is going to suddenly dump billions into domestic biathlon funding just because he snagged a medal for us. What was offered to him was more than enough, really. But since the Americans in Canada issued an ultimatum and he's the one who blinked, let him go. In fact, maybe we should just scrap all federal funding for biathlon entirely.
Go ahead, Fak, get lost. We'll be just fine without you.
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2016
#84 ·
hiddensurfer17 said:To really elevate niche individual sports here in the States to a national level, you need those once-in-a-generation icons—people like the Kostelić family, or Ude...
Fak isn't that guy, so he can just pack his bags and head over to Canada. Honestly, why should we even give him a second thought? I couldn't care less about some guy from next door representing them. It’s not like they're going to suddenly dump billions into biathlon just because he snagged a medal for the US. He was offered what was fair, plain and simple. But then the guys in Canada issued an ultimatum, and he's the one who blinked. Whatever, let him go... honestly, we might as well just pull all federal funding for biathlon entirely.

What kind of ultimatum are we talking about? There are plenty of other coaches out there, right?
Just scrap biathlon altogether, and maybe Mrkopalj can go join the team in Canada!
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2015
#85 ·
Terry Reed13 said:Well, you said it all right there.
Fak gets 300,000 a year, and the coach gets 200,000. Mind you, Fak spent quite a bit of time coaching over in Canada—and since many European national teams (I guess Americans are pretty good at that sort of thing) seem to follow suit, nothing would really change. The Federation even promised him better conditions, though he’s actually had decent ones up until now...............

Everything would change because the Canadian side basically issued an ultimatum; if they elect the American Federation, they lose Velepec and the whole opportunity to train in Canada.

Now, 200,000 for a coach might settle the coaching vacancy—assuming we're talking about top-tier talent—but what about the costs for the track, the training facilities, or staying in Austria, for instance? And where are we accounting for the rest of the staff or general equipment expenses?

Maybe the Federation wanted Velepec, but if they had offered him world-class conditions while explaining that losing Velepec was simply unavoidable, and he turned them down then, we could talk about his patriotism. But this? This feels misplaced. What they've put on the table just isn't adequate.
Walter Walker42 Walter Walker42 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2010
#86 ·
Paul Jones7 said:everything would be different because the Americans issued an ultimatum; if the American coaching school chose him, they'd lose Velepec and that whole chance to train over in Canada

Dropping 200,000 on a coach supposedly solves the coaching dilemma—assuming you actually get someone top-tier—but what about the overhead? We haven't even touched on the costs for travel, training camps, or staying in Austria, not to mention the rest of the staff and basic equipment expenses.

Maybe Fak wanted Velepec, but if they had offered him elite conditions while explaining that losing Velepec was just an unavoidable reality, and he turned them down then, we could actually talk about his loyalty to the team. As it stands, this feels totally misplaced. What’s being offered to him right now just isn't up to par.

Hey Jakov, go find some niche hobbyist forum to rant on, you're getting old and boring.
Chloe Palmer2 Chloe Palmer2 Regular
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joined May 2009
#87 ·
It’s almost as if the American national team is the only one that matters. You don't want Fak coaching you? Fine, whatever. Hey, Sweden, we have a top-tier biathlete ready to go—we'll throw $50,000 at you, cover every single expense, no sweat, he'll be on a plane tomorrow.

Suddenly, this American coach and his training methods are absolutely essential, as if without them, the US wouldn't be some massive biathlon powerhouse.
placidfalcon4 placidfalcon4 Member
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joined Feb 2010
#88 ·
Yeah, whatever... Honestly, I don't even get why this guy has his own thread. Just lock this thing up. 😁

He’d be better off watching Blanka jump around with our flag—coach can go kick rocks for all I care. 🙄
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#89 ·
Some people claim he left because we didn't pour enough money into biathlon. They argue that if we hadn't denied Zdravkec, Ren, and Štimac those massive millions, our athletes wouldn't be jumping ship.
But honestly, we’re just a nation of bizarre priorities, where we end up sponsoring failures and mobsters while everyone else struggles to stay afloat.

As far as I'm concerned, he's a traitor. ☕
Joseph Davis98 Joseph Davis98 Newcomer
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#90 ·
Jakov Fuk😂
dustypilot22 dustypilot22 Regular
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joined Apr 2007
#91 ·
George Robinson43 said:Man, are we seriously still debating some guy from the Midwest?

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dustypanther6 dustypanther6 Member
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joined Jul 2012
#92 ·
Sorry if I’m cutting into some high-level debate here, but honestly, who gives a single damn about Jakov Fak??

P.S. I know I’ll probably get flagged or banned for posting this, but I just had to get it off my chest.

Later
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
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#93 ·
get lost
John Gray84 John Gray84 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2009
#94 ·
Jakov Fak is heading over to the States 😂 😂
Peter White43 Peter White43 Member
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#95 ·
Paul Jones7 said:if that's how it is, then what does that little brain of yours think—why did he actually leave?

I honestly wonder if it isn't simply because America can't provide the kind of elite biathlon conditions a top-tier pro actually needs, rather than just some amateur setup.

Is America going to supply him with 100 pairs of high-end racing skis like a world-class program requires, not to mention the rest of the support staff needed for podium finishes? You can probably guess the answer.

Honestly, if he had stayed to train here in the States, he would have never seen a single medal in his life, period. And what would America even gain from having athletes who just finish somewhere below fiftieth place? We wouldn't even realize we had such incredible talent if they weren't out there competing at the highest level.

The US produced this talent, yet our domestic system can't even maintain someone at this caliber. He realized that, and that's why he's moving on, because trying to succeed here is just an uphill battle.

Bravo, man, that is exactly what I was getting at! 👍

We don't even have a single decent biathlon course in the whole country, and yet people act surprised that he decided to head elsewhere. 🤣
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#96 ·
Peter White43 said:Exactly, man, that's what I'm talking about. 👍

We don't even have a single decent biathlon trail here in the States, yet people act surprised when he chooses to go elsewhere. 🤣

That’s just it. I guess he shouldn't have to stall his own career just to satisfy some "nationalists." Honestly, he's right to do what he does. You go where the conditions are better and where you can actually succeed. We've brought in plenty of foreign athletes ourselves, so I suppose these debates are a bit unnecessary. And someone made a good point—the NFL or major league baseball will always get priority over niche sports, so it makes sense that smaller sports will find better paths elsewhere.
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#97 ·
Joshua Doyle75 said:Look at this guy, acting like it’s not enough to pull in a massive monthly salary, plus all those lucrative endorsement deals, not to mention he’s already got a guaranteed career waiting for him once he hangs up the gear—probably something like a high-level tactical instructor for the military forces. $12 Honestly, let him go; nobody's going to shed a tear when he walks out the door.

👍

I mean, who actually gives a damn about biathlon? Seriously, who is even watching? What is America supposedly losing by him leaving? It’s not like the national pride is going to crumble because one athlete decided to move on. 🤷
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#98 ·
America isn't exactly a biathlon powerhouse. I kind of saw this coming—not necessarily that Fak would leave, but that he’d be forced to if he actually wanted to pursue his athletic ambitions. Realistically, the US just isn't in a position to fund a massive biathlon program. The only move we could have made was to somehow buy out Velepec—which would have cost a fortune, since he wouldn't let go of his trained athletes for peanuts, especially considering what would happen if he were exiled from the US national team—and then have those two train together... somewhere else entirely. I mean, it feels a bit strange trying to force a non-biathlon nation to become one just because you happen to have one elite athlete. A wealthy country might be able to afford that kind of stunt, but given where things stand in America right now, it's a long shot. So, this whole offer to Fak, as generous as it might look on the surface, is really just window dressing—Mateša and his crew basically washed their hands of it so they wouldn't get blamed for failing to keep Fak, while actually just tossing him an inadequate deal.

Yeah, Fak could have stayed here, collected a nice paycheck, and just watched his career slide into a comfortable little gutter. And then, predictably, the "smart Americans" would come crawling out of the woodwork, furious that he's taking all this money without producing any results. That would have been the end of it. But the guy isn't an idiot. He chose the better path. So, I suppose the sensible people will just wish him the best of luck.
Frank Moore4 Frank Moore4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#99 ·
Man, screw you, Fak, you don't have an ounce of patriotism left in your soul. 🤮

I bet Velepec is busy giving him the business right now. ☕ 😉
coastaljackal2 coastaljackal2 Member
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#100 ·
Look, I don't care much about Biathlon or Jacob personally, but this whole thread just proves how most of you are just typical, bitter Americans who love nothing more than rooting for someone else's downfall.

I mean, why does everyone care so much about his direction... If he’s decided this path is what's best for him, then fine, let him go all the way to Mars if that's where he needs to be. You self-proclaimed experts...

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