2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11)

driftingbison4 said:After that exchange with the pit wall, Webber earned himself another supporter in me. First, they congratulate him from the garage by saying "... You won the United States Grand Prix" instead of "We won the United States Grand Prix," and they say it with such a cold, detached tone. Honestly, I think Alonso would have offered Hamilton a warmer and more sincere congratulation than those people at Red Bull did.

It’s no wonder Webber lost his mind and snapped back like that. And that response from the pit wall was even worse—something along the lines of, "Do you think you could manage a smile?" 😲

To top it off, none of the bosses even bother to show up on the podium to meet him.😠

That last response from them gave me the definitive answer as to why Webber isn't liked by his own team. Apparently, he just isn't photogenic enough to sell their ridiculous energy drink!

I could almost bet that Red Bull would rather see Hamilton become world champion if they can't somehow force it to be Vettel. Their marketing "experts" clearly couldn't stomach the fact that Red Bull's first championship title went to Webber, simply because he looks more like a regular guy who enjoys a beer (being from Australia and all) rather than some hyper-aggressive beast that fits the typical consumer profile for their red chemical concoction.

I also can't wrap my head around why they extended Webber's contract if they can't stand him. Did they seriously think he'd just settle down and quietly wait for retirement?

signed,

It seems that due to the absolute mess at Red Bull and an even bigger mess with Vettel,

Webber is gaining more and more fans 👍

stormybadger8 said:I’m honestly just praying he lands in a decent car next season...🙂

Personally, I'm hoping he moves to an entirely different team altogether🙏

maybe he ends up over at Renault...🤷

Noah Gray52 said:Mark Webber is picking up more and more fans lately. 👍

Great, so now we're all best friends and teammates. 👍

It’s actually pretty great that Red Bull is picking up more fans. Honestly, I can't handle this alone anymore. 🙂

hollowgull5 said:I'm hoping he lands with another team🙏

maybe he ends up at Renault🤷

Yeah, but I don't see them having any openings there either🤷

Do you think Robert Kubica might land somewhere😕

cosmicridge5 said:As for the situation with the unnamed driver and Robert Kubica, there was absolutely nowhere for him to go given how the officials were looking at him! This penalty and the whole fallout from it is an absolute joke this season 🤮 If he ends up taking out half the stewards and half the pit crews, I honestly wouldn't blame him one bit ☕

🙂

The penalty is completely justified; the rules are crystal clear. Alonso gained an advantage by breaking the regulations—he essentially "cut" the corner. Sure, maybe he couldn't have taken the turn any other way, but it was incredibly simple: he should have just yielded to Robert immediately to give the position back and call it a day. We've seen that happen plenty of times in Formula 1. Whatever happened after the incident with Kubica is irrelevant to the penalty itself.

It was a catastrophic blunder by Alonso and the Ferrari pit wall—honestly, I’ve lost count of how many of these mistakes we've seen this season.

If you strip everything down, Ferrari basically paid top dollar for a driver sitting 5th in the standings—which, let's be honest, isn't bringing much value to the team given the car's actual quality. He made several blatant driving errors and completely neutralized Sergio Pérez to the point where he isn't even useful as a points collector for the constructors' championship anymore. When you factor in that they’re likely paying even more for Kimi Räikkönen to mess around in WRC, and considering they had a fantastic Robert Kubica available on the market this winter, I can't help but notice that the return on investment at Ferrari is looking pretty dismal.

I don't know how Luca di Montezemolo can look at himself in the mirror; at the end of the season, he'll be stepping aside for Stefano Domenicali, and anyone with half a brain would tell both Alonso and Santander to go see if there's any team left willing to take them. You have to hand it to him as a driver, but it's glaringly obvious that instead of providing that legendary one-second advantage per lap, Alonso has actually been costing Ferrari quite a bit.

stormybadger8 said:honestly, I don't even think there's any room left over there...🤷

you really think Robert Kubica is gonna land somewhere😕

I mean, instead of Vitaly Petrov

hollowgull5 said:So instead of Vitaly Petrov...

Vitaly Petrov is bringing the money.🤷

Besides, I don't see them changing anything unless Kimi Räikkönen shows up. 🤷

Even if Kamui Kobayashi actually made the jump, it’s a massive stretch. Honestly, I’m pretty sure there's a better chance of Sauber reaching Renault's level of quality than there is of Kamui landing that seat.🤷

stormybadger8 said:Mark Webber is such a jerk. Honestly, Red Bull should've kicked his ass out of the seat ages ago. I mean, seriously? You can't just shove your own teammate into the grass like that. It’s just dirty driving.🙄 Look, being an idiot like that is one thing when you're dealing with just anyone, but doing it to a teammate? Especially when you've already overtaken them and there’s zero realistic chance of them ever getting back ahead of you? That’s just straight-up moronic. I don't get how Sebastian Vettel can be such a clown sometimes. Like, does he seriously not realize what a complete jerk he's being right now? Instead of just letting the guy go so he can find his pace, or even just taking the hit himself, he just rolls over and lets this idiot mess up his own race. Honestly, man, you look at teams like that and just think, "What is wrong with these people?"

Look, let's be real—I’m not exactly Mark Webber’s biggest fan given some of the stuff he’s pulled in the past, but I totally get where he's coming from. The guy just says what he thinks and acts on his gut. Until a boss steps in and tells him he's not allowed to overtake Sebastian Vettel, or until they start feeding him hand-me-down parts, he’s going to fight for every inch. If you don't have the guts to stand up to him, you better stay out of his way.

Honestly, anyone following NASCAR knows exactly what Mark Webber is like, so I’m genuinely stumped by Christian Horner. You’d think he would have handled this situation right at the start of the season instead of letting it slide. Somewhere around the time we were heading toward Turkey, Webber clearly realized he had a shot at the championship, and now he's locked in. He's biting hard and isn't letting go—he's like a pit bull at this point. All the sweet talk and patting him on the back isn't going to cut it anymore.

If we had someone like Flavio Briatore or Jean Todt running the show, none of this mess would even be happening. Instead, we’ve got Christian Horner signing another one-year extension, while they never seem to bother renewing contracts for the second driver. Honestly, that seat could go to pretty much anyone next season—except maybe Kamui Kobayashi. That guy seems just as wild as Mark Webber was.

stormybadger8 said:Oh great, so now we're all buddies and teammates 👍

It’s about time Red Bull picked up some more fans; I was starting to feel like I was flying solo here. 🙂

No way 😁

It's just an observation that this shift is happening because of the internal team dynamics.
Red Bull treats Mark Webber like the stepson they ignore while Sebastian Vettel is clearly the golden child,

which naturally turns Webber into the underdog hero,

but honestly, I'm neither a fan of Webber nor a fan of Red Bull; if anything, the mere mention of Red Bull makes me sick.👍

driftingbison4 said:Look, I’m not exactly Mark Webber’s biggest fan because of his history, but I get him. The guy says what he thinks and does what he believes. Unless some boss tells him he isn't allowed to overtake Sebastian Vettel, or starts feeding him hand-me-down parts, he’s going to fight until the bitter end. If you don't have the guts, stay out of his way.

It feels like anyone following NASCAR knows exactly who Webber is, so I don't get why Christian Horner didn't fix this at the start of the season. Somewhere before Turkey, Webber realized he actually had a shot at the title, and now he's latched on like a pit bull. Sweet talk and pats on the back aren't going to cut it anymore.

If someone like Flavio Briatore or Jean Todt were running the show, this wouldn't even be an issue. Instead, Horner signs a one-year extension. They never extend contracts for the second driver. Honestly, they could pick anyone next season except Kamui, because he seems just as crazy as Webber.

Totally agree. Webber isn't the problem here—why would he be? It's Horner and the team. That's not how you run things. They had similar drama last year, and even this season they were holding Vettel back, telling him not to attack Webber. Well, kid, he listens. Webber doesn't🤣
If someone starts acting up in any team, they need to be disciplined, period. No mercy. You have to know who the boss is. At Red Bull, it clearly looks like everyone is the boss and nobody is.🙄

But you're just making a mess of it now. Vettel is going to lose his mind and start playing dirty just like Webber, and then we're all screwed. They have the fastest car, but the question is whether they'll even have a driver left in the top three by the end of the season. All thanks to incompetent Horner. Forget his excuses to the press; he should be talking to the drivers, setting clear boundaries on what's allowed and when, and actually sticking to it instead of constantly shifting with the wind.

bluehawk3 said:kIf the refs screwed Ferrari again. Unbelievable...

If I were Luca Montezemolo, I'd hire the Sicilian Mafia to take out every single one of those judges.

cosmicridge5 said:Mark Webber really showed everyone he’s bottom tier. 🙏 That’s how you push a teammate under the bus and wreck your own team. Bravo. 🙏 🤮

After that whole scandal, he still can't be left alone for five minutes. Bravo, psycho. Real classy move. 🙏 🤮

From here on out, I’d rather root for that jerk Lewis Hamilton to take the title than watch Webber do it. 🙄

As for Zalons and Kubica, Zalons had absolutely nowhere to turn. This penalty and how they handled it is a total joke. Easily the biggest circus of the season. 🤮 If he takes out half the judges and half the pit crew, I won't say a word. ☕

Did I mention how much this race is making me sick?

🙂

Look, stop embarrassing yourselves by posting this kind of nonsense. Seriously, just keep it to yourself instead of cluttering up the forum. ☕

Noah Gray52 said:not a chance 😁

Just stating facts—it’s all about the team chemistry.
Red Bull treats Mark Webber like a stepchild while Sebastian Vettel is clearly mommy's boy.

That makes Webber the hero here.

But I'm neither a Webber fan nor a Red Bull fan. Honestly, just thinking about Red Bull makes me want to gag.👍

If anyone’s being treated like a stepchild, it’s Red Bull Vettel.

Give me a break, Webber. Where was he before Vettel showed up and actually helped develop the car? And where exactly was Webber scoring points? He was driving a Newey car and just crashing into everything on the track.🤣
If it wasn't for Red Bull and their slave-driver management, Vettel would be at Ferrari or McLaren right now, and Webber would probably be retired or struggling to scrape together ten 10th-place finishes and maybe 15 points a season.

Webber is the one acting entitled and constantly hunting for that No. 1 driver status. Vettel never asked for it, and he certainly didn't get it handed to him.

Webber asked multiple times to have Vettel's rear wing removed from his sight. Then, when the kid catches up and passes him, Webber shoves him off the track and then whines about how he's a victim and how the team is sabotaging him.🤣 He claims he's "struggling for the good of the team."😂

That same Webber has probably scored more points for Red Bull through his own nonsense than Force India has earned since they even existed.🤣

I guess he's the perfect subject for Mathelica, though. Between his ego and the team's stupidity, they get more press coverage than the actual championship winners.🤣

Honestly, I can't stand scrolling through these threads for a few hours after a race because there’s so much absolute nonsense being spewed that I 🙂 actually feel sick from it all... but after this one, I only logged on to see how the fans of an inconsistent Sebastian Vettel are now trying to drag his own teammate through the mud just to justify that kid's shaky performance today.😂

I used to think you guys just hated Lewis Hamilton, but it turns out you actually just can't stand anyone who manages to finish ahead of Sebastian Vettel or Fernando Alonso, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.👎

And do I even need to point out that Mark Webber showed the kind of backbone the other drivers unfortunately lack? It’s no surprise his popularity keeps climbing race after race while those other two just continue their unstoppable slide toward irrelevance.😉

briskhound76 said:Do I even need to point out that Webber has shown a level of backbone the other drivers clearly lack? It’s no wonder his popularity climbs with every race, while those other two just continue their inevitable slide into irrelevance.😉

Mark Webber is easily the most mentally resilient driver on the grid. On top of that, he’s incredibly fast and possesses a deep technical understanding of the car. He's a clear candidate for the number one spot.

It’s no small feat to go up against your own team and strike back the best way possible—with a win.

I’m reading some narrow-minded takes above where people are calling his start "too aggressive" toward his teammate. Just so everyone is on the same page: Sebastian Vettel himself admitted that he ruined his own clutch during the start, not because of Mark Webber. Besides, Vettel was actually the one who lunged toward Webber's side first.

Seriously though, sunshine, when are you planning on locking this thread up?

Turns out silvercobra68 was actually spot on regarding the internal politics over at Red Bull.

And then you had those underground intellectuals popping up with all that "lone poet among the troops" rhetoric and whatnot.

The real issue is that some people are so blinded by their favorite driver that they forget how this works—it’s fucking racing. What do they mean, "avoiding contact" or "cutting corners"?

Michael Lee4 said:what kind of shortcutting is that even supposed to be?

and then he acts all clueless right after, like...🙏

absolutely priceless 🙂

Michael Lee4 said:The real issue is that some people are so blinded by their favorite driver that they forget how this works. This is freaking racing. What do you mean "moving out of the way" or "cutting people off"?

So because Fernando Alonso pushed Kim Kardashian onto the grass, he should’ve just rammed him, backed up, and rammed him again until there was nothing left.🙄

briskhound76 said:Honestly, I hate reading quotes on these threads just a few hours after a race. There’s so much nonsense being typed that it makes me 🙂...but after this one, I only scrolled through to see how Sebastian Vettel's shaky fanbase is trying to trash his own teammate just to justify that kid's driving today.😂

I thought you guys just couldn't stand Lewis Hamilton, but turns out you actually can't stand anyone who finishes ahead of Vettel or Fernando Alonso. That's pretty pathetic.👎

And do I even need to point out that Mark Webber showed the kind of backbone the other drivers clearly lack? No wonder his popularity keeps climbing while those two are steadily tanking.😉

You've got it wrong. We just can't stand Kim Kardashian or Mark Webber.😂

Douglas Parker61 said:If anything, because Alonso veered onto the grass, he should have just rammed right into him, backed up, and then hit him again until there was nothing left. I guess.🙄

He’s basically saying he should have just let him pass. 😛