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Why shouldn't we be able to Ban users we interact with?

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feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active Member
117 messages
joined Oct 2012
#21 ·
coppernomad44 said:And why wouldn't I? I mean, where else would we go... 😕

Well, look, it’s basically because us mods aren't allowed to jump into public threads to debate how other mods are handling things anyway. If one of us does something, they can explain their reasoning, sure, but if another mod disagrees, that’s a conversation for a private DM or a closed channel. We don't just waltz into someone else's sub-forum to stir the pot here.

As for this specific mess, I actually stepped in to adjust the duration of the Ban just to try and de-escalate things before the whole situation turned into a total dumpster fire. 😁

You laid out the case pretty clearly and made some solid points, so at this stage, there isn't much left to do but wait for an admin to step in and settle the score. Hopefully, that happens sooner rather than later.
coppernomad44 coppernomad44 MemberOP
11 messages
joined Mar 2011
#22 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Well, look, it’s basically because us mods aren't allowed to jump into public threads to debate how other mods are handling things anyway. If one of us does something, they can explain their reasoning, sure, but if another mod disagrees, that’s a conversation for a private DM or a closed channel. We don't just waltz into someone else's sub-forum to stir the pot here.

As for this specific mess, I actually stepped in to adjust the duration of the Ban just to try and de-escalate things before the whole situation turned into a total dumpster fire. 😁

You laid out the case pretty clearly and made some solid points, so at this stage, there isn't much left to do but wait for an admin to step in and settle the score. Hopefully, that happens sooner rather than later.

Fair enough, but I was asking the people who actually have the authority to explain things to me... specifically the admins who actually know what's going on. But they haven't gotten back to me 🤷
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
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joined Apr 2011
#23 ·
coppernomad44 said:And why wouldn't I? I mean, where else would we go... 😕

Personally, I feel like it makes way more sense for the person who actually issued the Ban to be the one explaining the reasons behind it to the users.
coppernomad44 coppernomad44 MemberOP
11 messages
joined Mar 2011
#24 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Personally, I feel like it makes way more sense for the person who actually issued the Ban to be the one explaining the reasons behind it to the users.

Well, that’s exactly what happened, but I'll say it again—one person gave the reason, and it's completely unclear to both us and the person being banned, which is why I started this Reddit thread, because I'm just wondering why someone else can't provide a bit more concrete detail... that's all...
Gregory Anderson5 Gregory Anderson5 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#25 ·
This is a total joke, "Messages, complaints, feedback, suggestions—whatever you want to call them. How can we make this Reddit better and more civilized?" 🙏

And apparently, if you comment on how the moderators are doing their jobs—unless you're attacking one of them personally—you get a Ban 👍 which is exactly what's about to happen to me

They might as well just come out and say it's a dictatorship here and be done with it.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#26 ·
coppernomad44 said:And why wouldn't I? I mean, where else would we go... 😕

At first glance, banning "advocacy" can be easily attacked as "stifling free speech," "trampling on democracy," or those whole "death to fascism, freedom to the people" type of slogans. There are several beloved names that are gone now—and personally, I think it’s a real shame they aren't around anymore—but, I'm honestly not sure if debating that point would serve any actual purpose or provide any real benefit.

I mean, if you really stop to think about it, just imagine the absolute chaos that would ensue if everyone started shouting, "Why did you Ban this person?" or "Why did you Ban that one? They were actually great!" and so on. It would be a total mess.

The only thing more nonsensical than an absolute monarchy when it comes to managing online spaces is pretending to run a parliamentary democracy—because, frankly, that almost inevitably devolves into nothing more than populist anarchy. 🙂
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#27 ·
Gregory Anderson5 said:This is a total joke, "Messages, complaints, feedback, suggestions—whatever you want to call them. How can we make this Reddit better and more civilized?" 🙏

And apparently, if you comment on how the moderators are doing their jobs—unless you're attacking one of them personally—you get a Ban 👍 which is exactly what's about to happen to me

They might as well just come out and say it's a dictatorship here and be done with it.

Look, it’s always been a dictatorship, and honestly, I don’t get why people cling to these weird little delusions like it isn't the case. 😕 I mean, let's be real—at the end of the day, one person (the admin) makes the call, and that's that. If you ask me, that pretty much fits the textbook definition of a dictatorship perfectly. 😁

Whining about a dictatorship doesn't actually move the needle; what actually works is using solid arguments to convince the admin of something.

So, here’s my unsolicited advice: stop spamming the thread, quit the bellyaching about tyranny, and stay away from the insults, because all that does is achieve one thing: the thread gets locked and someone ends up sitting in the ban corner.

There you go, consider this little lesson in Reddit diplomacy my good deed for the day. 😁 👋
Bradley Sanders4 Bradley Sanders4 Active Member
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joined Jul 2018
#28 ·
rustydrifter10 said:Let’s be real: you don't just get a permanent ban for breathing wrong. It takes a massive pile of violations—we're talking someone with a huge reputation score—to trigger that kind of hammer. Or, it could be one single, massive violation, like trying to create a clone account while your main profile is already banned.

Because permanent bans aren't handed out left and right, anyone who follows the activity on this Reddit should probably have a pretty good idea of why it happened, since someone facing that level of discipline likely wasn't exactly following the rules.

Just to be totally clear, I have no idea who Bear is or what he specifically did to get banned.

The second part sounds pretty stupid to me, honestly. I get why you’d permaban an alt if someone created it specifically to dodge a ban and keep arguing (if I recall correctly, that rule was basically made to stop people from doing exactly that during political debates), but banning an existing alt account just because the main account got a three-day or seven-day suspension? That feels pointless. In my opinion, if that happens, the ban duration should just be applied to both accounts equally.

As for the topic at hand, the current admin crew knows exactly how I feel about the way they run this place, and how much of a joke this entire sub-forum is. It serves no real purpose. I’m just glad more of the old-school users and former mods are finally starting to notice the same things I have. Dear admins, it’s exactly like I told you. ☕
Gregory Anderson5 Gregory Anderson5 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#29 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Look, it’s always been a dictatorship, and honestly, I don’t get why people cling to these weird little delusions like it isn't the case. 😕 I mean, let's be real—at the end of the day, one person (the admin) makes the call, and that's that. If you ask me, that pretty much fits the textbook definition of a dictatorship perfectly. 😁

Whining about a dictatorship doesn't actually move the needle; what actually works is using solid arguments to convince the admin of something.

So, here’s my unsolicited advice: stop spamming the thread, quit the bellyaching about tyranny, and stay away from the insults, because all that does is achieve one thing: the thread gets locked and someone ends up sitting in the ban corner.

There you go, consider this little lesson in Reddit diplomacy my good deed for the day. 😁 👋

I'm with you on this, and I'm definitely not complaining..
"Might makes right."

Honestly, they should just rename this sub-forum to something like:
"Messages, grievances, comments, suggestions, and feedback. How to make this Reddit better and more civilized,
specifically for those who have been Banned or received warnings they feel are unfair."
But since we already have a dedicated "Banned Users Corner" and a spot for appealing warnings, I really don't see the point of this place existing... 👋
cosmicskipper39 cosmicskipper39 Active Member
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joined Jan 2012
#30 ·
rustydrifter10 said:I’m honestly just hoping the admins weigh in soon regarding Smizlin's warning and the ban on the very thread she started to complain about them.

I know that sometimes the moderators will step in to explain how long a ban lasts or why someone got a warning, but those are usually just brief explanations—the kind of stuff you can already see right there on the warning itself—and they don't typically get dragged into a whole debate or try to justify themselves to everyone else.

Look, I get it. Mods aren't obligated to sit there and explain every single ban or why someone's post got nuked. They don't owe us an itemized receipt for every decision. But honestly? This constant, excessive power tripping over some guy asking a clumsy question? It’s useless. It doesn't lead anywhere. It just makes everything tense for no reason.

Nicholas King said:At first glance, banning "advocacy" can be easily attacked as "stifling free speech," "trampling on democracy," or those whole "death to fascism, freedom to the people" type of slogans. There are several beloved names that are gone now—and personally, I think it’s a real shame they aren't around anymore—but, I'm honestly not sure if debating that point would serve any actual purpose or provide any real benefit.

I mean, if you really stop to think about it, just imagine the absolute chaos that would ensue if everyone started shouting, "Why did you Ban this person?" or "Why did you Ban that one? They were actually great!" and so on. It would be a total mess.

The only thing more nonsensical than an absolute monarchy when it comes to managing online spaces is pretending to run a parliamentary democracy—because, frankly, that almost inevitably devolves into nothing more than populist anarchy. 🙂

I’ve started threads like that on Reddit before too. Don't you remember? 🙂

Look, the only silver lining here is that you actually managed to learn something from all this chaos. Now, maybe you can take that knowledge and share it with the ladies over on the Recreation subreddit—you know, that peaceful little corner of the internet where people actually try to be nice. 👍
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#31 ·
coppernomad44 said:Yeah, we are repeating ourselves... 😁

I’m asking again, why shouldn't this matter to anyone else who actually cares? Why does someone get Banned...

Sure, the reason for the ban was stated, but it didn't make any sense to me. And clearly, it hasn't made sense to anyone else either...
Look, Smizl asked for a specific, well-reasoned explanation as to why Bear received a permanent ban, but she never got one. I don't see why a clarification can't be provided, or why if people are genuinely curious about the reasons, they aren't allowed to have an explanation...

You can keep insisting that it's just a private matter between the banned individual and the administration, but I still don't see why it has to be kept exclusive to them, or why the reasoning can't be shared with everyone else who's interested...

since we've only heard the reasoning from one person, and it's obviously left us all pretty confused...

But why should those reasons be clear to you specifically? 😕 If anything is said at all, I suppose some people just "won't" understand. 😉

Here is a brilliant idea—if you are actually curious about why someone was Banned, maybe try asking them directly.
Bradley Sanders4 Bradley Sanders4 Active Member
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joined Jul 2018
#32 ·
It won't work; once you Ban someone, they lose access to private messages. 🤷
coppernomad44 coppernomad44 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2011
#33 ·
coppernomad44 said:Fair enough, but I was asking the people who actually have the authority to explain things to me... specifically the admins who actually know what's going on. But they haven't gotten back to me 🤷

coppernomad44 said:Well, that’s exactly what happened, but I'll say it again—one person gave the reason, and it's completely unclear to both us and the person being banned, which is why I started this Reddit thread, because I'm just wondering why someone else can't provide a bit more concrete detail... that's all...

🤷
coppernomad44 coppernomad44 MemberOP
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#34 ·
mistywolf17 said:But why should those reasons be clear to you specifically? 😕 If anything is said at all, I suppose some people just "won't" understand. 😉

Here is a brilliant idea—if you are actually curious about why someone was Banned, maybe try asking them directly.

well, I'm clearly not the only one who's confused, because nobody else thinks the reasoning makes any sense either...

Am I not allowed to ask for an explanation?...

Yeah, I even asked the person who was banned, and even they don't think the reason given justifies a permanent Ban...
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#35 ·
coppernomad44 said:well, I'm clearly not the only one who's confused, because nobody else thinks the reasoning makes any sense either...

Am I not allowed to ask for an explanation?...

Yeah, I even asked the person who was banned, and even they don't think the reason given justifies a permanent Ban...

Aha. So we've finally reached the point where he actually KNOWS why he was Banned, he just happens to disagree with it. That’s a different matter entirely. 🤷
coppernomad44 coppernomad44 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2011
#36 ·
mistywolf17 said:Aha. So we've finally reached the point where he actually KNOWS why he was Banned, he just happens to disagree with it. That’s a different matter entirely. 🤷

if I have to say it more than once, which clearly I do, then I guess I will...😁

we all know why he was Banned, the moderator gave us the reason, it's just that the reasoning isn't exactly clear to us, so first Smizl asked for a more specific explanation, and honestly, I'd love to hear an explanation from someone higher up too...
driftingwolf79 driftingwolf79 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2011
#37 ·
I have a question for everyone posting hate against Medin, and also for those who just click 'report post' without ever having the guts to say what they actually think about him publicly (not that you would, since this is a public Reddit, better to hide behind emails and backroom politics) — is it really that hard to accept that some people simply disagree with you?

To be clear, I’m not trying to defend him or act as his lawyer (especially seeing how people react to that here), but it’s obvious he got a Ban, followed by a permanent one, just because he annoyed a specific group of users. Not everyone. Just a few. And it's a stretch to call them the majority, regardless of how much some people try to insist otherwise.

As for how much he contributed to Recreation, the people who actually train know best. Those who just pretend to, never will understand. 🙂

And btw, Smizl, you've got guts. I respect 👍
Timothy Robinson2 Timothy Robinson2 Member
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joined Feb 2011
#38 ·
driftingwolf79 said:I have a question for everyone posting hate against Medin, and also for those who just click 'report post' without ever having the guts to say what they actually think about him publicly (not that you would, since this is a public Reddit, better to hide behind emails and backroom politics) — is it really that hard to accept that some people simply disagree with you?

To be clear, I’m not trying to defend him or act as his lawyer (especially seeing how people react to that here), but it’s obvious he got a Ban, followed by a permanent one, just because he annoyed a specific group of users. Not everyone. Just a few. And it's a stretch to call them the majority, regardless of how much some people try to insist otherwise.

As for how much he contributed to Recreation, the people who actually train know best. Those who just pretend to, never will understand. 🙂

And btw, Smizl, you've got guts. I respect 👍

I'd probably join in on that sentiment, too—just with one quick heads-up: you see this kind of stuff on other subreddits as well.

The guys on the Reddit thread who were being all polite and nice. With arguments. The good ones and the bad ones? Both are gone. Whoever’s left keeps getting banned, even when they’re just quoting stuff. Now, people are basically walking on eggshells, terrified to even use a pronoun or an adjective. It’s pathetic.

I don't really post much on any single subreddit anymore. I just lurk through most of them. It seems like every sub has just turned into one big, endless group chat lately. Just people swapping rumors and talking in circles. It’s all hearsay, I guess.

I get it—more posts mean more ad revenue. But if you ban everyone who actually contributes anything meaningful, you're just going to lose the core community that makes those posts happen in the first place. Without them, there's nothing left to sell ads against. I guess.

People rarely jump in to comment on someone else's ban. It usually only happens when the punishment is this extreme—you know, when the gap between what they did and the penalty is just obviously ridiculous. I guess another reason people feel the need to chime in is because the person who actually got banned isn't going to appeal. And it’s not even that they don't want to; it's more that they've learned from experience. They already know exactly what kind of response they'll get.

That’s not an issue with the Reddit thread, it’s just your own problem. I don't see why we should care about some random object that you've made your whole personality. If you can't handle a little mockery over something like a Hostess cupcake, maybe the internet just isn't for you.

If complaining about something like this just gets you mocked, I guess there's really no point in bothering to complain about anything less intense.

Of course, I don't even need to say it. When someone gets Banned and then goes and starts their own Reddit thread just to claim the mod wasn't acting in good faith, they get hit with another strike for trolling. I guess you aren't allowed to question a moderator on this platform.

The reason he got banned is pretty simple. You aren't supposed to tell someone on a Reddit thread that they don't need to bother responding to your posts when they're personally attacking you. I guess that's just how things work here.

As for whether that user actually got banned—look, that’s none of your business. I should probably clarify how this works: I don't just hand out bans the second someone gets insulting. If they've been pushing buttons for five posts straight, I might wait a bit. You can think whatever you want about why I did what I did.

Soory for veering off on this, but the title is kind of vague, so I figured I’d jump in. 🙂
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#39 ·
cosmicskipper39 said:Look, I get it. Mods aren't obligated to sit there and explain every single ban or why someone's post got nuked. They don't owe us an itemized receipt for every decision. But honestly? This constant, excessive power tripping over some guy asking a clumsy question? It’s useless. It doesn't lead anywhere. It just makes everything tense for no reason.

I’ve started threads like that on Reddit before too. Don't you remember? 🙂

Look, the only silver lining here is that you actually managed to learn something from all this chaos. Now, maybe you can take that knowledge and share it with the ladies over on the Recreation subreddit—you know, that peaceful little corner of the internet where people actually try to be nice. 👍

If I ever decide to sit down and write my memoirs, consider yourself hired as a consultant—honestly, your memory is far sharper than mine. 🙂

Regarding those topics you might be referencing, I think I once asked about what happened to the Slavo family and Lein's situation. I got shut down immediately with a "mind your own business" response, and that was pretty much the end of it. 🙂

As for anything else beyond that, I can't recall.

The whole thing really just boils down to the fact that the rules ought to be applied equally to everyone—which, in my estimation, almost certainly works against those of us who actually have more than two and a half serious posts under our belts. I don't see any other way to look at it.
quietpilot87 quietpilot87 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#40 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Well, look, it’s basically because us mods aren't allowed to jump into public threads to debate how other mods are handling things anyway. If one of us does something, they can explain their reasoning, sure, but if another mod disagrees, that’s a conversation for a private DM or a closed channel. We don't just waltz into someone else's sub-forum to stir the pot here.

As for this specific mess, I actually stepped in to adjust the duration of the Ban just to try and de-escalate things before the whole situation turned into a total dumpster fire. 😁

You laid out the case pretty clearly and made some solid points, so at this stage, there isn't much left to do but wait for an admin to step in and settle the score. Hopefully, that happens sooner rather than later.

Fine, but it's still overkill. She didn't deserve that.

And honestly, I'm glad to see a decent amount of smart, level-headed people showing up here—especially since most of you don't have any connection to Medin, Smizl, or Recreation.

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