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brightcrane56 brightcrane56 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#21 ·
Frank Rodriguez85 said:It’s honestly pretty sad when a massive community like this can't find space for the Republican Party... yet there's plenty of room for all these trolling threads that don't provide any value to anyone.

Look, since we already have dedicated sections for the Republican Party, creating a specific sub-forum just for them on this site would actually limit their presence. If people want to talk about issues strictly from a Republican perspective, those forums exist; here, the whole point is that we can discuss anything, anywhere—including topics relevant to them.
If I were a member of the Republican Party, I wouldn't actually want people like you advocating for me this way. By pushing for this kind of "freedom," you're actually stripping it away. Can't you see where this is heading? Every single thread touching on Republican topics would eventually get moved to that one sub-forum, which would essentially end up isolating them from the rest of the conversation.
Let's use a little common sense before we start spreading nonsense.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#22 ·
Just so we’re all on the same page here: I am against this
for the exact same reasons I was against having a dedicated sub-forum for gay people in the first place.
Look, all of us—them and us—are part of the same society, and at the end of the day, we all need as much interaction and mutual understanding as possible, especially since we’re all dealing with the same fundamental struggles, just expressed in slightly different ways.
🙂
A Anonymous Veteran
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#23 ·
brightcrane56 said:Way to go, Aaron Harris2. 👍

People living with disabilities don't need a bubble to hang out in; they need to be part of society just like everyone else. Creating a segregated forum specifically for them would actually achieve the exact opposite of what people want—it would just isolate them further from the community.
And like Aaron Harris2 pointed out, these individuals are men and women, parents, students, and neighbors...
If you really want to help, why not start a thread on any other forum about the daily challenges they face? I guarantee they’d appreciate the support.

I have to jump in here and say: I disagree! Why on earth would people limit themselves to only talking amongst their own kind in those types of threads or forums? 😕

Those spaces should just be places to swap stories and give each other advice. Everyone else—people without disabilities—can join in, listen, or at least learn something valuable from the experiences being shared.
brightcrane56 brightcrane56 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#24 ·
an1;19016550 said:I really have to jump in here and say: you've got it wrong! Why on earth should only one specific group be allowed to hang out together on topics like this or in forums like this one? 😕

At the end of the day, these spaces are just places where people can swap stories and offer one another some practical advice, and honestly, anyone else—regardless of whether they live with a disability or not—is more than welcome to join the conversation or at least pick up a few helpful tips from the problems being discussed.

I actually want to share a link to the one major online community in the US that brings all types of disabilities together under one roof, ensuring everyone is treated equally, whether they have a disability or not, because I truly believe it's important to show how perfectly a community like this can function: ****************

Maybe try giving my previous post another read, but this time, try to look at it with a bit more empathy and understanding?
A Anonymous Veteran
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#25 ·
I think I see what you mean, though I might not have been clear enough when I first said it!

Look, it’s not about being shut out from society if everyone else still has the chance to chime in or lend a hand whenever they can. And it’s not like people with disabilities aren't looking for community or people like themselves—they just don't necessarily need it to be their *only* social circle. Honestly, if someone can't find a partner in their everyday life, they’re going to look for someone who truly understands them within their own community, and places like this are perfect for making those connections. Does that make more sense now?
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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#26 ·
Anonymous said:I believe I understood your point, though perhaps my previous explanation lacked the necessary clarity!

To be perfectly precise, this is not about social isolation, provided that everyone involved maintains the opportunity to offer commentary or assistance whenever the need arises. Furthermore, it is not my contention that these individuals shun society or refuse to seek out their own kind; rather, they simply do not require such a community to be their sole focus. Ultimately, if a person living with a disability finds it difficult to secure a partner within the general population, they will naturally look toward those who share similar life experiences, and platforms such as this one serve as an exceptional resource for exactly that purpose. Does that clarify my position sufficiently?

It remains somewhat ambiguous... especially when considering that initial post of yours.

What is your definitive answer to the question posed in the title—let us settle this once and for all... is a specialized niche necessary or not?

I must admit, reading through those two consecutive posts of yours has given me quite a headache... 😢

😁

And yes... just as a reminder, posting links to other forums is strictly prohibited under our rules, without exception... 😉
A Anonymous Veteran
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#27 ·
A dedicated corner? Sure, why not. If we’re doing a special section on the forum, why shouldn't we have a specific spot here too? Did you dig that thread Wheel Smith started? Because I absolutely loved it! He didn't just invite people who think exactly like him to join the conversation, right? That's how it should work here—everyone should feel welcome to jump in, creating a space that really matters to those who care about these issues.
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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joined Feb 2009
#28 ·
Anonymous said:I think I see where you're coming from, I just might not have been clear enough!

Look, this isn't about social isolation if everyone else still has the chance to chime in and help out when needed. It’s not that people wouldn't want to be part of society or find others like themselves—they just don't necessarily need it to be an exclusive club. If someone with a disability can't find a partner in their everyday surroundings, they'll look for one among people who understand them, and places like this are perfect for that. Clearer now?

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Exactly. I'll say it again: this won't be some gated community where they hang out exclusively and get banned from other forums, cutting themselves off from the rest of the population. This would be a space focused on disability issues and everything related to that—a place where anyone interested can participate, whether they have specific needs, know a lot about the subject, or just want to learn how to solve certain problems. It's not just for people with disabilities. Honestly, it would be much more useful than many of the sub-forums we already have here.
As for the fact that a forum already exists... there are tons of specialized forums out there for all sorts of topics... so what? This is a general-interest forum, so I think this topic deserves its own corner too.
Now, whether that sub-forum would actually get traffic or if people would even care, I couldn't tell you.
Maybe eventually... once people realize it's there.

Bottom line, I think it would be very helpful. My only worry is those "experts" who can't resist jumping into every single debate just to start an argument... that's always the issue.
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2010
#29 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Just to be clear—I'm against this
for the exact same reasons I was against having specific sub-forums for gay people.
All of us—everyone included—are part of society. We all need more interaction and mutual understanding, and honestly, we all deal with similar struggles, even if they look a bit different on the surface.
🙂

QFT.

Look, one valid reason to open a sub-forum is when there’s just a massive influx of specific topics that would end up cluttering everything else up on any other forum—even just by sheer volume.
Another good reason is to create a dedicated space for large groups with very specific shared interests.

But to me, setting up separate forums for minorities feels like ghettoization, which is pretty much the opposite of what actually helps us integrate.

You see this with Wheel Smith on the main forum. You have parenting sites where they discuss raising kids with special needs. I'm sure there are sections on health sites too. If someone with a disability needs career advice or legal help, they’ll find it way faster on a job board or a legal forum than in some ghettoized sub-section, simply because the experts in those fields hang out there.

So, yeah. I'm against it. Really against it.
Charles Ramirez59 Charles Ramirez59 Active Member
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joined Jan 2005
#30 ·
The forum administration agrees with steelskipper5. I'm sorry to say, but we won't be opening a sub-forum.

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