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Moulin Rouge! by Baz Luhrmann

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Morgan Ortiz91 Morgan Ortiz91 MemberOP
17 messages
joined Dec 2007
#1 ·
It looks like nobody has started a thread on this movie yet, so if I haven't missed it, I'd like to ask the moderators to merge this into the existing one 😬
Therefore, USA is the latest work from the American ( 😁) director Baz Luhrmann. The story takes place, naturally, in the US right on the doorstep of World War II, starring Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, and a newcomer named Brandon Walters, a 12-year-old boy of Native American descent making his acting debut. It reminds me a little bit of one of my all-time favorites, Gone with the Wind, though it’s certainly not quite the same thing πŸ™‚
Lady Sarah Ashley (Kidman) arrives in the US to sell off her husband's estate along with its associated cattle stations, but things get complicated (I won't spoil too much here!) and she finds herself forced, with the help of Drover (Jackman), to try and fight back against the monopolistic influence of the "local" cattle king, Carney (another American, Bryan Brown, whom I still remember from the series Bird on a Wire 😍), who is trying to use trickery to seize the last piece of land that doesn't belong to him yet.
The director's previous works, Romeo & Juliet and Moulin Rouge!, absolutely blew me awayβ€”that specific blend of kitsch, classic stories infused with incredible modern soundtracks, and camera work that captures a sense of fairytale magic by pulling back rapidly from a close-up to a bird's-eye view (sorry, my technical filmmaking vocabulary is a bit lacking, I don't really know much about directing!), plus those quirky, almost circus-like characters made for such a delightful package of surprises. I was definitely expecting that same eccentric touch in this film. However, something just feels off... The movie runs for nearly three hours, and honestly, even if it were five hours long, I feel like the director wouldn't have been able to weave together everything he wanted to say: the romance between an aristocrat and a simple cattle driver, the US on the brink of war, the oppression of Native Americans and the whole "stolen generation" issue... it all feels somewhat unfinished precisely because there is so much to be said; there's this huge cast of characters that we just don't get enough time to actually get to know. Also, I'm really not sure if the director was aiming for a heartbreaking portrait or if he was trying to make a joke. I mean, seeing Hugh Jackman's shirtless physique is very much welcome from my perspective 😍, but having him pour water over himself like an Axe commercial or giving a cheeky grin while nonchalantly leaning against a tree just doesn't sit right with me when the story involves groups of mixed-race children being hauled off to a missionary island because they aren't "pure white," or Native American women suffering sexual exploitation and such. If he was trying to highlight the situation of Native Americans in the US, it feels a bit clumsy. I can't say the film is bad, but it seems to me (speaking as an amateur here πŸ™‚) that Luhrmann tried to tell a story that was simply bigger than him, and he just couldn't decide on the right way to tell it.
As for the acting, Nicole Kidman was wonderful, as was Brandon Walters, who plays the boy, Nullah, who is of mixed Native American and white heritage.
Elizabeth Garcia2 Elizabeth Garcia2 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2005
#2 ·
I honestly can't stand Baz Luhrmann's style or his movies... so I'm going to skip this one, just like I'll probably skip every single one of his films from here on out.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
287 messages
joined Aug 2005
#3 ·
Henry Bennett53 said:I can't stand Baz Luhrmann's style or his movies, so I'm skipping this one, just like I'll skip any of his future projects.

Why's that? Not a fan of kitsch? πŸ™‚
What has the guy actually done besides "Romeo and Juliet" and "Moulin Rouge!"? Is there anything remotely decent in his filmography? Honestly, looking back at my teenage years, maybe "Romeo and Juliet" wasn't the worst thing ever. But "Moulin Rouge!" was so over-the-top cheesy it still makes me feel a bit sick today.
And as for "USA," it’s a total nothing for me. Zero interest.

EDIT: My bad to all the Luhrmann fans out there; I just remembered he also did that awful song "Everybody's Free"... Does that count as part of his body of work too? πŸ€”
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
40 messages
joined Feb 2016
#4 ·
Personally, I find that *Strictly Ballroom* is actually a perfectly fine film... 😍
Elizabeth Garcia2 Elizabeth Garcia2 Active Member
53 messages
joined Apr 2005
#5 ·
redowl90 said:Why? You just hate kitsch? πŸ™‚

It’s not about that... I just can't stand directors who lack the actual skill to make a coherent movie, yet somehow walk around thinking they're geniuses destined to revolutionize cinema.
"Romeo and Juliet" and "Moulin Rouge!" are the kinds of films that just... they honestly repel me. They actually gross me out a bit.
Based on everything I've read about "USA," I have a feeling I'd feel the exact same way if I sat through it. So, I think I'll pass...
irontiger29 irontiger29 Member
40 messages
joined Aug 2013
#6 ·
Honestly, I'm just over it... I've reached the point where even seeing the movie poster makes me want to just burst into tears right then and there...
wiredmoose6 wiredmoose6 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jan 2009
#7 ·
To me πŸ˜•Moulin Rouge!
is an absolute masterpiece.
As far as movies set in the USA go, I’m just not feeling it...
I've heard some pretty mediocre reviews, so I'll probably just wait until it pops up on some American cable channel in a year or two.
Honestly, these modern neo-Westerns just aren't my thing.🀷
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
287 messages
joined Aug 2005
#8 ·
Look, people, it's got nothing to do with Westerns, for crying out loud.
Elizabeth Patel67 Elizabeth Patel67 Member
19 messages
joined May 2006
#9 ·
Honestly, any woman could find herself sitting through this just for the sake of seeing the uncleβ€”whether he’s stripped down to nothing or galloping away on a horse during a race... both scenarios are, quite frankly, rather stimulating. But it feels less like one cohesive story and more like you're watching two entirely different movies at once: one a gritty Western and the other a heavy war drama. They're only loosely tethered together, if you ask me.
wiredmoose6 wiredmoose6 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jan 2009
#10 ·
redowl90 said:Look, people, this has nothing to do with Westerns, damn it.

Man, don't get so worked up. It actually hurts my soul seeing you this stressed... you're going to give yourself a heart attack before you're thirty.😒
silentbear49 silentbear49 Active Member
55 messages
joined Oct 2008
#11 ·
I haven't actually sat down to watch the movie yet, but honestly, from everything I've caught glimpses of and read online, it just gives off major "Out of Africa" vibesβ€”except it’s like the Americanized versionβ€”so I think I'm gonna hold off on watching it for a bit...
Elizabeth Patel67 Elizabeth Patel67 Member
19 messages
joined May 2006
#12 ·
And so it appears that I shall find myself making the journey once more... though, mercifully, only when the new year arrives πŸ˜‚
Melissa Evans Melissa Evans Member
23 messages
joined Sep 2009
#13 ·
This movie is garbage. Baz Luhrmann has completely missed the mark here. When you look at "Moulin Rouge!", that is a phenomenal piece of cinema. In contrast, "USA" tries to pose as a Western, yet it fails to offer even a shred of directorial innovation. It’s practically non-existent. The script is lackluster, the sense of scale is missing, and honestly, it could have easily been two hours shorterβ€”it drags on for three. Even when it comes to the romance, Baz Luhrmann fails miserably, which is exactly where he should be shining. The love story isn't even central to the plot; it barely kicks in toward the end, despite being the thread that is supposed to tie everything together. All in all, πŸ‘Ž πŸ‘Ž πŸ‘Ž πŸ‘Ž

P. S. "Moulin Rouge!" isn't even kitsch, let alone pathetic.

P. S. S. Maybe I don't have "USA," but I do have "High School Musical 3: Senior Year" and "Twilight."😍
Melissa Evans Melissa Evans Member
23 messages
joined Sep 2009
#14 ·
Henry Bennett53 said:I have no appetite for films from directors who lack the fundamental talent required to craft a coherent narrative.

Moulin Rouge! is simply too long.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
287 messages
joined Aug 2005
#15 ·
Jonathan Collins43 said:P. S. "Moulin Rouge!" isn't kitsch, let alone pathetic.

Would you mind enlightening us on what "Moulin Rouge!" actually is then, Mr. "I watched High School Musical 3: The Senior Year three times in theaters"?
wiredmoose6 wiredmoose6 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Jan 2009
#16 ·
Call it kitsch if you want, but to me, it’s a flawless blend of vibrant colors, high-stakes melodrama, killer soundtracks, stunning sets, and an incredible cast...
A musical fairy tale🀷
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
446 messages
joined Mar 2024
#17 ·
Man, I am seriously dying for someone to just drag me to see this 😬 honestly, it's about time 😁 😁 😁
Elizabeth Patel67 Elizabeth Patel67 Member
19 messages
joined May 2006
#18 ·
And perhaps it could happen a second time... though right now, the theater is absolutely packedβ€”people are practically sitting on top of one another. I haven't experienced a crowd like that in quite a long while.
Eric Thomas89 Eric Thomas89 Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2009
#19 ·
Brandon Walters playing that little kid Nullah... honestly, such a perfect movie.πŸ™‚πŸ™‚
It’s just something special, really moving stuff about war and the strength of the human spirit, plus all that spirituality. That little Nullah kid is just wonderful.
Jason Fisher5 Jason Fisher5 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2009
#20 ·
redowl90 said:Would you mind enlightening us as to what "Moulin Rouge!" actually is, Mr. "I watched High School Musical 3: The Senior Year in theaters three times"?

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