Trip Report: Canada (Montreal) - June 8, 2008

Giving that bummer a 10-second penalty was way too light; they honestly should have just bumped him straight to the back of the pack.
Honestly, I don't think Rosberg even deserved a penalty. By getting into that mess with the bummer, he basically just brought a little justice to the race by taking out someone who—if luck had been on his side or if there was a quick fix in the pits—probably would have kept grinding away. In my book, Rosberg’s collision didn't actually screw over Raikkonen because the bummer had already effectively knocked himself out of the running. He didn't hurt anyone but himself, so the stewards should've just let it slide.

From what I could see, the steering wheel didn't even finish turning before everything went down.

Edward Howard2 said:>>those 10 spots? honestly, that's way too light a sentence for that bummer. they should've just put him at the back of the grid.
rosberg shouldn't have even been penalized either, because by basically cleaning up that bummer, he actually brought some justice to the race. He just finished off the guy who, if luck had been on his side—maybe with a little bit of pushing or a quick fix in the pits—would've probably kept racing. So, by crashing, rosberg didn't really mess things up for raikkonen since the bummer was already out of the equation thanks to himself. He didn't hurt anyone besides his own chances, so the penalty feels unnecessary.

look, you can't mix hating on hamilton with just looking at the actual facts...

yeah, he messed up, he totally did, but there was zero intention behind it...

I mean, think about what happened with sutil and raikkonen in monaco...

I said the exact same thing back then—in my opinion, kimi shouldn't have been punished because he wasn't trying to cause trouble...

And honestly, here we go again: coulthard's just being an idiot and taking out two drivers in two straight races, yet nobody says a word.🤷

Bradley Nelson2 said:from what I could see, the steering wheel didn't even turn all the way.

What do you mean it didn't? Like, he cranked that thing all the way to the limit, and when he realized he was stuck, he just yanked it straight back...

check out the link 🤷

rustystag7 said:Look, don't be like that. There's a big difference between just hating on Hamilton and actually looking at the facts...

Yeah, he messed up. He totally screwed the pooch, but there was zero intent behind it...

I’ll draw a parallel here to what happened with Sutil and Raikkonen in Monaco...

I said the same thing back then—in my opinion, Lewis shouldn't be punished because he wasn't trying to cause trouble...

And let me remind you, Coulthard basically knocked two drivers out in two straight races just by being clumsy, and nobody said a word about it.🤷

You can't really compare it to Raikkonen. In that case, Kimi just lost control of the car. It was a typical accident that could happen to anyone.

Coulthard wasn't out to take people out; he was just fighting for position. Those kinds of collisions during a battle for position have always happened and they always will.

But this? This isn't a "battle for position" and it sure as hell isn't an accident. It's not something that just happens to any driver. It's pure idiocy, and honestly, the penalty should have been way more drastic.

Edward Howard2 said:You’re still dodging the actual point, as per your usual habit. 🤣
Here is why I'm saying Kubica stole that win from Heidfeld:
1. Heidfeld letting Kubica through right after exiting the pits. They risked his P1 against Alonso, who could have easily jumped him.
2. Heidfeld holding up Alonso just so Kubica could pull away.
3. Risking Heidfeld's P2 by calling him in, which let the faster Alonso pass. Who knows what his times would have been if he hadn't lost that gap? He could have come out right on Heidfeld's gearbox.
4. Telling Heidfeld to let Alonso past might be a first in F1. I can't think of any other instance. Since Alonso was behind Heidfeld, it actually helped him secure at least P2; the longer they held him back, the less chance Alonso had at second place.
5. The team openly telling Kubica exactly how many fast laps he needed to stay ahead of Heidfeld.
6. All that cheering in the BMW garage when Kubica took the lead. If they didn't care which of their two "equal" drivers won, they wouldn't have celebrated like he just passed a Ferrari instead of his own teammate.
7. Heidfeld’s sour face after the race. The guy knew exactly what they were doing to him.

Just be objective for once. Regardless of who you root for, admit the win was handed to him.

I'm glad Kubica won and leads the standings. Between him and the current title contenders—Hamilton and those two Ferraris—he's the one I'd rather see take the championship. I think BMW's move was smart because it's the only way they get a shot at the title, but let's be real: that should have been Heidfeld's race.

If you want to talk nonsense, fine... let's go through this.

1. Both drivers answered the question about the overtake at the press conference. BMW stated Heidfeld braked as late as possible given his weight to avoid hitting his teammate.
2. Heidfeld was racing his own race. You don't win championships by just handing over positions; you lose them. Use some common sense. If Alonso had passed Heidfeld, he would've ended up ahead of him anyway if he kept pace with Kubica.
3. Yeah, Alonso knew the two-stop strategy made it irrelevant, but Heidfeld still didn't just give it up. He's a racer. He said he wasn't losing time. Read the post-race interviews instead of making things up.
4. What does that even have to do with anything? Precedent or not, I already told you my stance: I want them to have as many points as possible. Don't act like you've said something profound.
5. Of course they gave advice. What else were they going to do? Tell him to drive at a snail's pace? This is F1. Maybe you don't get it, but these guys drive to win. And the guy had a shot, so he took it. He was faster—not just today, but in every practice and qualifying session. Plain and simple.
6. Please. Total bullshit.
7. Heidfeld was honest in the press conference, and credit to him for that. All this unargued rambling of yours boils down to basically nothing.

Absolute disaster. People just posting garbage for the sake of talking trash. What a joke.🤮

rustystag7 said:Of course he did. He cranked the wheel all the way over, realized he was screwed, and then just yanked it straight back...

Check the link 🤷

Fair point. He definitely yanked it hard.

And I honestly don't give a damn about typos. 🙂

Edward Howard2 said:you can't really compare this to what happened with Raikkonen. Back then, he just lost control of the car—it was one of those freak accidents that could happen to any driver, honestly.

I don't know, man, I'm still drawing that parallel. If we're being real, Raikkonen showed a lack of control there, just like Hamilton did here, and obviously, someone ended up getting hurt—Raikkonen in that case, and Sutil in this one.🤷

Bradley Nelson2 said:you’re right, he really did mess that one up.

And honestly, just look at the timing... what if the light wasn't actually red for 20 seconds, but it had only just turned? Like, it was a split second thing...

I think we’re on the same page here—it's not like I'm playing favorites with Hamilton or anything, but I just don't see how he did that on purpose. This penalty? It's totally nonsensical.🤷

Maybe this sounds like total BS to some people, but if someone isn't out there trying to wreck another driver, then giving them a penalty like this just feels completely wrong to me.

rustystag7 said:And check if the light was actually red for 20 seconds, or if it just turned red right then...

I think we’re on the same page here. I’m not playing favorites with Hamilton, but I don't think he did this on purpose. This penalty just feels nonsensical.🤷

The penalty makes sense. It doesn't matter if he meant to do it—if he had, the punishment would be way harsher. He messed up through pure negligence, and that mistake cost another driver a very likely win. When a driver makes a blunder this obvious, you have to penalize it.

Bradley Nelson2 said:The penalty makes sense because it’s not really about whether he did it on purpose (if he had, the punishment would be way worse), it's just that he messed up through pure carelessness and basically snatched a potential win right out from under another driver. When a driver makes a mistake that obvious, you gotta penalize it.

Man, I don't know, we could sit here all day playing philosopher trying to draw parallels...
I mean, I'll say it again, Kimi didn't mean to, but he still totally screwed Sutil over...

It’s the same deal with Alonso in Monaco—he wrecked Heidfeld's race and nobody even blinked...

Honestly, let's just stop worrying about whether he ruined the leader's race or the guy in tenth. In F1, everyone's essentially in the same boat when it comes to the grind.🤷

And I bet Hamilton's already over it since he knocked himself out of the race anyway.🤷

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rustystag7 says: Look, we can sit here all day playing philosopher and trying to draw parallels if we want... But I'll say it again: Raikkonen didn't mean to mess up Sutil's race, but he did... It’s the same deal with Alonso in Monaco—he screwed Heidfeld and nobody batted an eye... I think we should just ignore whether he messed up the guy in first or tenth. In F1, everyone is equally fair game when things get competitive.🤷 Besides, I doubt Hamilton cares much about having knocked himself out of the race.🤷

No, there's a massive difference. Getting screwed over in the pits is one thing; losing control of your car is something else entirely.

Bradley Nelson2 said:nah, there's a massive difference... getting screwed over during a pit stop and actually losing control of your car are two totally different beasts.

okay, I get what you're saying, but man, if we're going down that road, they might as well penalize Nico Rosberg too.🤷

I mean, come on, he still had to stay sharp, right? If we're being super strict about everything being black or white, then yeah, whatever.🤷

Look, drivers mess up, they make stupid mistakes all the time, but punishing them for this feels dumb. Plus, I really don't want to see anyone's championship hopes trashed this season just because someone higher up in the officials messed up. Like, imagine if Lewis Hamilton loses his shot at the title just because of some technical screw-up from the crew. That would be brutal.🤷

And they actually slapped him with a penalty 😁

Bradley Nelson2 said:Man, you’re just talking nonsense... seriously... let’s take this step by step.

1. Both drivers actually answered the question about the overtake during the press conference. BMW basically said Nico Rosberg was braking as late as possible given his weight, but obviously, they weren't going to have him crash into his own teammate.
2. Nico Rosberg was driving his own race. Obviously, you don't just hand over positions like that—that’s how you lose races, not win them. Use some common sense here. If Alonso hadn't passed Nico Rosberg, he would've ended up right ahead of him anyway if he had just maintained the pace of the car.
3. Yeah, back then, once they knew, Alonso realized the two-stop strategy didn't really matter anymore, but Nico Rosberg still didn't let him through because he's a racer. He even said he wasn't losing any time. Seriously, go read the post-race interviews instead of making stuff up.
4. What does that even have to do with anything? Precedent or not, I've already explained my side. What do you want from me? To say something "smart" just to score points, even if it makes no sense?
5. I mean, duh. Why would they advise him on how much to slow down just to hit 5th? What do you expect? This is F1, maybe you don't get it, but these guys drive to win. Period. And the guy had a shot at winning, and he took it. Because he was faster. Not just in the race, but in every practice session and qualifying too. He was simply faster.
6. Oh, come on, stop lying. Pure bullshit.
7. Nico Rosberg said everything himself during the press conference, totally honest, and honestly, props to him for that. All this unargued rambling of yours boils down to almost nothing.

What a disaster, just a bunch of losers talking trash just to hear themselves speak. Some people are unbelievable. 🤮

Your whole "argument" just relies on one interview.🤣
What kind of interviews are we even talking about???😂 They aren't gonna spill all their team strategy on live TV!😂
Honestly, if Nico Rosberg told you he was a pink piece of garbage, you’d probably believe him.🤣

You didn't explain why they told him to let Alonso past if he wasn't losing time. It was chaotic in the pits; you couldn't see him clearly on CBS, but the commentators mentioned it, and you could see it perfectly fine online. The fact that you missed it makes me think you didn't even watch the race—you just read an interview and now you're just talking shit here.

And if these are your...
"6. Oh, come on, stop lying. Pure bullshit"
or these...
"What a disaster, just a bunch of losers talking trash just to hear themselves speak. Some people are unbelievable."
...are your only counterarguments, please, just say it so I can stop wasting my time arguing with you. 🤣

You don't have any actual arguments. You're just talking nonsense. And when I tell you what they actually said, you act surprised—as if I’m supposed to have some inside track on their secret strategy 😕
Bottom line? My take comes from watching the race and reading the driver interviews, which you probably haven't even bothered to look at yet. Your "arguments" seem to be coming straight out of thin air. I'll let the readers decide for themselves.

Bradley Nelson2 said:You’re basically just talking trash without any actual points. Then, when I lay out what they actually said, you pull the "well, you can't expect them to leak their strategy" card. 😕
Look, bottom line? My take comes straight from watching the race and listening to the people involved—stuff you probably haven't even bothered to read yet. Your arguments seem to be coming entirely from your own imagination. Let the readers decide who's right here.

I read plenty of those quotes, including the ones you're talking about, but at the end of the day, most of it is just smoke and mirrors meant for guys like you—people who build an entire opinion based on nothing but someone else's press release. 🤣

I'll leave you with just one thing:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Alright, let me know when you actually have some proof ☕
As for now, you’re just chasing ghosts. You’ve been living in a fog ever since the Schumacher era ended. Go try selling that nostalgia to someone who still buys into it 😉
Basically, everyone needs to use their heads. This isn't for the target audience anymore 🙂

Bradley Nelson2 said:Fine, just hit me up whenever you actually find some proof. ☕
Until then, you're basically just wandering around in a fog because you haven't seen a legend like Schumacher on the track in ages. Go try selling that nonsense to someone who actually cares. 😉
Basically, everyone needs to use their heads here. You've completely lost your target audience. 🙂

I've laid out plenty of evidence, yet you haven't given me a single thing.

I gotta wonder why that is. 🤔

Maybe it's because you just don't get it.😂