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Participants Eric Fox21placidlynx23Mark Johnson5Aaron Doyle24Keith Lee74Nicole Davis7
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Man, what an incredible movie!!

Part 1: Jesus = The Sun Myth (fascinating theory about the Sun and Biblical astrology. Personally, I find it interesting, though I'm mostly agnostic—I don't judge anyone else's beliefs, so to each their own)

Part 2: 9/11 (some things I already knew, some things were new, but it’s all so glaringly obvious it's insane)

Part 3: Global Control (this part is phenomenal. Even if it's just stuff people generally know, seeing how a few elites manipulate the masses is wild. Watching the details unfold—why wars start, who's pulling the strings... how much longer can we take this?!)

EVERYONE TO THE STREETS!!! 😠 🙂 🙂
FUCK THE POLICE
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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Honestly, the whole concept sounds like absolute garbage to me. Especially those second and third parts.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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Not even close... just the facts that everyone needs to hear...
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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Statement:

"Thanks for checking out Zeitgeist.
We built this as a non-profit project to nudge people toward seeing the world
through a sharper lens—to realize that most things aren't quite what the
general public assumes they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period
of research and the current source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced.
An interactive transcript featuring deep-dive footnotes and links is coming soon.

Here’s the thing: people tend to reflexively reject anything that
clashes with their worldview, usually without doing any actual digging.
Take Parts 1 and 3, for example. That info isn't just sitting there
waiting to be found via a quick Google search. You have to work for it. For instance,
when people search for "Horus" or "The Federal Reserve" online, they often
internet draw their conclusions from very general or biased sources. Online encyclopedias or textbook
encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist. But if you actually
take a moment to go through the provided sources, you'll see everything here is
backed by hard evidence. Need a correction, a clarification, or want to add a point?
Check the Clarifications page.

Look, I don't want anyone taking this film as gospel.
Do your own homework. Truth isn't something handed to you; it's something you uncover.

Thanks"
Mark Johnson5 Mark Johnson5 Member
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#5 ·
Why don't you head over to the political forums and post those conspiracy theories there? Honestly—I think you'd find a much larger following in those circles than you ever will here.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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This isn't some conspiracy theory nonsense. It’s just cold, hard facts. Since it's a two-hour flick dealing with religion and politics, I figured I'd drop it here.

You really ought to watch it.
Aaron Doyle24 Aaron Doyle24 Newcomer
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I’ve been following his work for about a year now. It’s excellent. I’ve already read how various deities and prophets share the exact same narrative—Horus, Krishna, Christ, and dozens of others... but you won't get that kind of talk through on these forums. People get too defensive about their beliefs; they instinctively ignore or refuse to listen to what’s actually being said.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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I’m with you there... some people are just hardwired that way. It makes them such easy targets for manipulation, too. They just swallow whatever they're told without a second thought and follow it blindly.

That third part of the documentary about the Federal Reserve is heavy. I mean, we all suspected the powerful held the reins, but seeing how a handful of individuals actually pull the strings? It’s insane... pure madness.
Keith Lee74 Keith Lee74 Member
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I managed to download the movie earlier this morning, so I am planning to sit down and watch it this evening.
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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#10 ·
It’s honestly pretty ironic how people can sit through a two-and-a-half-hour movie that tries to dump massive truths about religion, politics, economics, and metaphysics all at once, and then immediately start lecturing everyone else about "critical thinking" and how people are just "blinded by prejudice." It’s like this widespread Michael Moore syndrome, and frankly, it's laughable.

But hey, everything has its crowd. At the end of the day, nobody has the patience anymore to actually sit down and read dozens upon dozens of serious philosophical texts that deal with these issues properly.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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I’d much rather trust my own brain and think for myself than be someone like you—if I'm reading you right—who just blindly bows down, praising every single thing the establishment puts out.
And where else are you going to find this much irony? The endless ads, the money laundering, the massive sports industry involving millions of people—some active, some just watching—while here 6215 miles they claim everything they wear is handmade for a buck or two a month...

So, to you, the path of "WTC -> hunt terrorists -> maybe they're in Afghanistan -> screw them, let's go to Iraq" feels perfectly normal and justified. No documentary is ever going to shake you. You'll just hang your head and swallow whatever they feed you. There's a wolf in the woods, after all. Better to just stay in the middle of the herd...
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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placidlynx23 said:but everything has its followers. at the end of the day, nobody actually sits around reading dozens of heavy philosophical books about these kinds of problems anymore.


Look, during my few years studying philosophy, I definitely ran into texts like that. But just because I don't waste my time—unlike some people—on pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, verbal masturbation just to prove my views are the only "true" ones, that’s a different story. You know what I mean?

"The abstraction of cinematic expression, as a language of specificity or an abstraction of the artistic act itself, de jure represents a kind of sacred reification of one's own inferiority and infantilism, regardless of the type of supremacy asserted through that same language as a specificity, and regardless of the level of aspiration at which we discuss it." 🙂 ☕
Nicole Davis7 Nicole Davis7 Member
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Guys, I really need some help here. I’m totally new to downloading stuff—how do I actually get this movie onto my computer?
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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This version isn't meant for downloading. Unless you’ve already got some software to handle that, just hit the link up top and stream the movie in a new window.
Nicole Davis7 Nicole Davis7 Member
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#15 ·
Thanks for getting back to me. I actually tried to watch it yesterday, but it was such a struggle. It kept buffering and lagging constantly, and the audio was acting all glitchy, like it was stuttering or something. (I'm on an ADSL connection)
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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Donna Hall75 said:Look, during my few years studying philosophy, I ran into texts like that. But since I don't waste my time—unlike some people—engaging in pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, verbal masturbation just to claim my views are the only truth, that’s a different story, you know...

"The abstraction of cinematic expression, acting as a language of specificity or an abstraction of the artistic act itself, constitutes, de jure, a form of sacred reification of one's own inferiority and infantilism, regardless of the type of supremacy being asserted through that same language or the level of aspiration involved in discussing it." 🙂 ☕

I'm not sure if the quote below is meant to illustrate what you just said, though I completely disagree with you. It feels like the kind of garbage written by those "pop-philosophers" you probably read just to sound smarter when trying to impress girls. No real philosopher would ever sink to such low spirits. Honestly, I have no idea what that quote has to do with philosophy—and it's hard to say without reading the whole thing, but it sounds like something written by a pretentious columnist rather than someone actually connected to the field. Besides, what does film, or even standalone aesthetics, really have to do with philosophy? I was thinking about serious philosophy, not the scribblings of 20th-century charlatans who are nothing more than irritatingly egotistical hacks lacking any mental discipline. They use "post-modernism" as a convenient excuse to ramble, pushing things like the nonsense you just quoted as actual philosophy. And people, like sheep, just bite at it because they don't know better, then spend their time talking in circles about "philosophy."

To stay on topic—I was specifically thinking of more recent, yet legitimate philosophers or "critical theorists," or whatever you want to call them—people like Marx, Marcuse, Bloch, Horkheimer, Adorno, and so on.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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What I quoted comes straight from a Surrealist, and honestly, that says it all. It’s my way of poking fun at all those "deep" analysts trying to dissect the human spirit and body—not to mention your own arrogant attitude.

The movie is about opening your eyes and actually thinking for once instead of just following the paved paths. Whether someone chooses to do that or not? That's on them.

Do you think the film is a masterpiece or just a pile of garbage? That's entirely up to you. Feel free to advertise your "profound" philosophical insights however you like...
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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Donna Hall75 said:What I just quoted comes from some Surrealists, and honestly, that says everything about my response. It’s a mockery of all those self-proclaimed "great analyzers" of the human spirit and body, and frankly, a jab at your arrogant attitude.

The movie is framed as this eye-opening experience, a surge of thought that refuses to stick to the beaten path. Whether someone actually chooses to follow that path or not... well, that's not my concern.

Right, so you're one of those people who moved past actual deep thinking and settled for reading tabloids, all while adopting this fake, wannabe cynical persona toward the world. If only I knew how exactly you thought your post mocked those "great analyzers," I might actually feel better about it. You can't mock something you clearly don't understand.

And I'm criticizing that film because it's just another symbol of that shallow, tabloid-style approach to life. I get that this is how the world works now, but when something like that is packaged and sold as being "eye-opening," I can't help but call it out.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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You know me from maybe two or three posts, genius... how can you even justify that? You talk about serious philosophy and deep science, yet where’s the actual research? Where’s the proof? You're basing your entire opinion of me on wrong, thin, and most likely totally fake assumptions...

That "verbal masturbation" comment? That was just a jab at you. Figure out how and why if you can...

I'm criticizing that movie because it's just another symbol of the snake-oil approach used by the news. I get that's how the world works now, but when they try to sell something like that as "eye-opening," I have to say something.


In a world built on Gladiators and Jessica Simpson, multi-billion dollar ad campaigns, sacrificing people and nature for oil and other riches, senseless wars, fear of terrorists—whether real or media-made—taxes, debt, insurance, sickness, a broken legal system, greed, the mob, pyramid schemes, and all the other nonsense... that movie actually *is* eye-opening. It forces you to stop and think. But you can go try to sell your "enlightenment" with Build for All and Care whoever you want... you won't sell it to me.
Eric Fox21 Eric Fox21 NewcomerOP
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#20 ·
Yeah, true...

placidlynx23 said:Just based on the concept alone, this sounds like total garbage. Especially parts two and three.


You haven't even watched it yet and you're already making calls like that? Look, I'm done arguing with you... it’s a dead end. I'm not trying to sell you anything, nor am I trying to convince you of anything. Whatever you want to believe, fine. That's your call... so 👋

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