Mexican propaganda in the Women's Corner - how much longer are we going to tolerate this??

I’m really curious about why every single voice that pushes back against Mexican sentiment—or anything that doesn't perfectly align with their narrative—gets suffocated over at the Women's Corner. Is it because the moderator, redmarlin3, is a Mexican herself and finds this uncomfortable? 🤷

For instance, on this specific thread regarding what people truly condemn, my post was deleted. It was completely relevant and written as a direct response to this disgusting post:

*Jezebel* said:...prompted by melodynine's post (concerning racism and nationalism), I’d look at those ladies from El Paso who recently turned their backs on a man who came forward to offer an apology on behalf of his own people. Some might say, "Oh, poor things, they have every right to act that way." I say: sure, poor things, nobody is disputing their tragedy, but why on earth did they show up there in the first place? Especially after it had been repeatedly hammered home that this guy, Tadić, wouldn't just come and make amends? Why didn't they simply ignore him entirely instead of appearing right at the moment he arrived? By doing this, they essentially slapped their own dignity in the face. What was he supposed to do, commit ritual suicide or something? Someone with enough sense to put two and two together should have the capacity to finally question their own hatred, condemnation, and defiance—feelings born from an indelible victimhood that, when shared by a group, easily transforms into a force as terrifying as the aggressors themselves, given how easily it's passed down to the next generation. This defiant poisoning of one's own children and the total lack of logic produces nothing but a fresh cycle of condemnation, which personally—I condemn. Truly, "I condemn." 😁 It’s a deeply complex issue, but the answer is self-evident: their condemnations, and those like them, are manifestations of their trauma. Yes, when condemnations, being collective, contribute to the (often uncritical) creation of a hierarchy of values (which then triggers an avalanche of hate that exists purely for its own sake, under the guise of "that's just how it is"). And many other judgments we encounter are manifestations not just of pain, but of fears, ignorance, and personal complexes. And while we're on the subject...

Other posts acting as reactions and condemnations (which is the whole point of this topic) were also wiped out. So, I have to ask: why is the moderator redmarlin3 doing this? 🤷 And why is she threatening us with bans if we mention Tadić, Mexicans, or anything remotely related to Mexican identity on a casual subforum like this (keeping in mind this is a thread specifically meant for condemnation)?

What exactly drives the moderator redmarlin3 to delete on-topic posts? And why did my specific post deserve to be scrubbed? 🤷 Was it because I was standing up for the mothers of El Paso? 😕

We need Catholic women in the moderator roles 🙂 🙂

Did you post something against Mexicans?

Anyway, I'm under the impression that hate speech should be removed—even if it's directed at Mexicans, regardless of how hard that might be to swallow 🤷

Hate speech? Seriously? Do you actually have any idea what was being discussed in those deleted posts? There wasn't a single ounce of hate expressed there—just plain old facts. It seems like certain moderators find the truth a bit too uncomfortable to stomach, so they’d rather just scrub it from existence so nobody else has to deal with it.

edit: I’m calling on the site admins or supermods to please step in here. Take a look at this thread and actually see what's happening, then maybe provide a coherent explanation for this vague, arbitrary moderation. That's exactly why I started this topic in the first place. Thanks.

Alright, please take a look at how the moderator responded here (check out these threats): 😬

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=310

redmarlin3 said:I didn't even delete some of your nasty comments—which honestly deserved to be scrubbed because they personally offended me—so I’m asking you nicely to drop this thread and move over to Politics if you want to keep arguing. And if you could just leave one "🤮" there, knowing full well that nobody is going to swing the heavy moderator sword at you.

I am dead serious. 😬 It would be great if our dear redmarlin3 could actually quote those "nasty comments" she's talking about. (Though, let's be real, she's probably referring to defending the American War of Independence, national sovereignty, our veterans, and all the positive stuff that user Modesty usually writes with such grace, tolerance, and solid historical facts.

I honestly have no clue what you're getting at, which is why I'm asking. That quote from Jezebel seems pretty much aimed at inciting and spreading hate—so if your post was meant to be an opposing view, it basically looks like you're siding with that toxicity.

Don't sweat it—the admins will show up eventually.

placidranger said:I honestly have no clue what you're getting at, which is why I'm asking. That quote from Jezebel seems pretty much aimed at inciting and spreading hate—so if your post was meant to be an opposing view, it basically looks like you're siding with that toxicity.

Don't sweat it—the admins will show up eventually.

So, you don't see anything problematic about that post, then? 😁

Look, feel free to jump into the discussion over here http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=597600&page=16, while I just sit tight and wait for the supermoderators and admins to handle it.

The post from Jezebel is actually pretty reasonable and moderate. If you think it’s "disgusting," you're probably just projecting. I don't see any deleted posts here, for what it's worth.

Anyway, this kind of debate doesn't belong in Women's Corner; it belongs in Politics. And even there, people just end up spewing mindless hate.

Jerry Martinez5 said:The post from Jezebel is actually pretty reasonable and moderate. If you think it’s "disgusting," you're probably just projecting. I don't see any deleted posts here, for what it's worth.

Anyway, this kind of debate doesn't belong in Women's Corner; it belongs in Politics. And even there, people just end up spewing mindless hate.

Why jump into a debate when you clearly haven't done the homework on what's actually going on? Please, do us all a favor and move on to a different topic. 🙄 Don't go ruining my thread. I’m looking to talk specifically with the admins or super-mods who actually have access to the deleted logs.

And please, don't take this personally and start venting (by flooding this thread with more nonsensical posts).

Thanks, 👋

Hey, maybe we should move this debate over to the Politics section—or some other obscure corner of the site.

placidranger said:Hey, maybe we should move this debate over to the Politics section—or some other obscure corner of the site.

But wait, since when is talking about Politics off-limits in the Women's Corner? And are we really not allowed to judge things here? Especially in a thread specifically designed to call out nonsense?

coppermarlin13 said:But wait, since when is talking about Politics off-limits in the Women's Corner? And are we really not allowed to judge things here? Especially in a thread specifically designed to call out nonsense?

See, that thread is about the act of judging—it isn't a space created FOR judgment...

stormyraven14 said:See, that thread is about the act of judging—it isn't a space created FOR judgment...

Oh, really? So you're saying I can't take something that absolutely revolts me and use it as an example to condemn everything else being discussed in a thread specifically meant for things we actually find reprehensible?

That’s basically just a textbook case of someone trying to dodge accountability because they don't like the way the criticism is being delivered.

The comment from Jezebel is bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense, regardless of what she actually said or wrote 🤮

Whether she crossed the line into racial, nationalistic, or some other kind of harassment—I honestly have no clue, since I haven't seen the specific post, and I'll leave that for the admins to judge—but I am noticing that the debate over free speech on this site is becoming increasingly selective and stretched thin 😁. So, apparently, it’s perfectly fine for some troll to pop up anywhere on this entire platform (and I mean everywhere, not just under Politics 😵) to spout filth about America or the American War of Independence, or to play judge and jury regarding someone else's grief and loss in those contexts. It’s all just "a joke," right? But strangely enough, that logic doesn't seem to work in reverse 😁. This whole situation reminds me of the current trend among certain Americans, driven by those old-meets-new faces in either politics or the culture scene, who metaphorically resemble rats—the kind that are the first to flee a sinking ship and the first to scurry back once the waters recede. They somehow feel emboldened to aggressively and loudly push a sense of nostalgia for lost eras and divisive political agendas, all while mocking anything tied to American identity or heritage because they think it's "primitive" and they are far too cool for such things 😵. Reddit, much like a fashion enthusiast, never misses an opportunity to jump on a passing trend 😁.

Jokes aside; if we're going to tolerate a mindless comment from Jezebel (or perhaps it's just a reflection of her lack of information?), then logically, we should also tolerate those who take the opposite stance, if we actually want to pretend to be a tolerant community
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coppermarlin13 said:Oh, really? So you're saying I can't take something that absolutely revolts me and use it as an example to condemn everything else being discussed in a thread specifically meant for things we actually find reprehensible?

That’s basically just a textbook case of someone trying to dodge accountability because they don't like the way the criticism is being delivered.

Hey, don't start yelling at me now—it’s not my fault you didn't read the intro... 😢

The Jezebel post [which is only partially quoted here and taken out of context] was left up because it’s completely on-topic, constructive, thoughtful, detailed, and offers a really interesting critical perspective on the situation.
The very first reply quoting it was aimed almost exclusively at bashing Jezebel itself ("you clearly have serious issues grasping the subject matter," "you don't understand anything," "only an idiot could write posts like this," etc.). That's why it was deleted.
The next few posts deal with Tadić and Srebrenica, which just doesn't belong here on ZK. So, they were removed.
The posts following the warning focus on my moderation. That's why they were (mostly) deleted.
Not a single post was given a full ban.
Yes, I can see for myself that I messed up here.

P.S. Endure, not endure.

redmarlin3 said:The Jezebel post [which is only partially quoted here and taken out of context] was left up because it’s completely on-topic, constructive, thoughtful, detailed, and offers a really interesting critical perspective on the situation.
The very first reply quoting it was aimed almost exclusively at bashing Jezebel itself ("you clearly have serious issues grasping the subject matter," "you don't understand anything," "only an idiot could write posts like this," etc.). That's why it was deleted.
The next few posts deal with Tadić and Srebrenica, which just doesn't belong here on ZK. So, they were removed.
The posts following the warning focus on my moderation. That's why they were (mostly) deleted.
Not a single post was given a full ban.
Yes, I can see for myself that I messed up here.

P.S. Endure, not endure.

If she truly intended to be constructive and provide a high-level critical analysis of one segment of your topic—especially after spending so much time reflecting on it—she could have carved out a small portion to actually inform people about the disputed case. Instead, she dove straight into the background of her example, which, while touching on only a tiny fraction of her overall argument, serves to call into question not just her own competence, but her good intentions as well. And honestly, it calls into question not just hers, but yours as a moderator, as well as those users on this thread who look at certain parts of that Jezebel post and fail to see anything controversial or distasteful at all.👍

placidmarlin3 said:The comment from Jezebel is bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense, regardless of what she actually said or wrote 🤮

Whether she crossed the line into racial, nationalistic, or some other kind of harassment—I honestly have no clue, since I haven't seen the specific post, and I'll leave that for the admins to judge—but I am noticing that the debate over free speech on this site is becoming increasingly selective and stretched thin 😁. So, apparently, it’s perfectly fine for some troll to pop up anywhere on this entire platform (and I mean everywhere, not just under Politics 😵) to spout filth about America or the American War of Independence, or to play judge and jury regarding someone else's grief and loss in those contexts. It’s all just "a joke," right? But strangely enough, that logic doesn't seem to work in reverse 😁. This whole situation reminds me of the current trend among certain Americans, driven by those old-meets-new faces in either politics or the culture scene, who metaphorically resemble rats—the kind that are the first to flee a sinking ship and the first to scurry back once the waters recede. They somehow feel emboldened to aggressively and loudly push a sense of nostalgia for lost eras and divisive political agendas, all while mocking anything tied to American identity or heritage because they think it's "primitive" and they are far too cool for such things 😵. Reddit, much like a fashion enthusiast, never misses an opportunity to jump on a passing trend 😁.

Jokes aside; if we're going to tolerate a mindless comment from Jezebel (or perhaps it's just a reflection of her lack of information?), then logically, we should also tolerate those who take the opposite stance, if we actually want to pretend to be a tolerant community
.

Look, her point is actually pretty spot on and realistic, no matter what nonsense she was spewing at you. 🙂

redmarlin3 said:The Jezebel post [which is only partially quoted here and taken out of context] was left up because it’s completely on-topic, constructive, thoughtful, detailed, and offers a really interesting critical perspective on the situation.
The very first reply quoting it was aimed almost exclusively at bashing Jezebel itself ("you clearly have serious issues grasping the subject matter," "you don't understand anything," "only an idiot could write posts like this," etc.). That's why it was deleted.
The next few posts deal with Tadić and Srebrenica, which just doesn't belong here on ZK. So, they were removed.
The posts following the warning focus on my moderation. That's why they were (mostly) deleted.
Not a single post was given a full ban.
Yes, I can see for myself that I messed up here.

P.S. Endure, not endure.

🤣

This feels like an explanation to the admins about why they should back you (and people like you), while simultaneously justifying blatant moderation in Women's Corner—where threads are threatened with closure (or just closed), posts are wiped, strikes are handed out, and female and male users are attacked just for daring to criticize Mexicans once? Or Mexican politics? Or American policy toward Mexico and Mexicans? Or anything else related to Mexicans? Because that is the actual reality of how Women's Corner is moderated (along with a whole host of other unmentioned issues).

Why aren't you deleting, say, Tyler Bishop56's constant trolling and nonsense? Why aren't you warning him or pushing him to actually engage in Politics? Or what about those who constantly insult and disparage Americans and/or the Catholic faith? The ones who turn every single damn thread into a platform to spit venom based on the things mentioned above?

And that vague, insulting, controversial post from Jezebel—which you want to frame as reasonable, critical, and thoughtful for some equally vague reason (presumably to convince anyone lacking even a shred of intelligence that deleting responses and reactions is justified)—is a perfect reflection of what constantly happens in Women's Corner and what you are trying to pass off as "reasonable" through low-intelligence tactics. And it'll probably work, given the crowd that gathers on this forum (whether they are the moderators and admins who put you in that seat, or the users themselves—not just your friends, but regular folks who don't know any better and just pose). 🤮

It's also quite interesting how you forbid reasoned debate about Politics in Women's Corner. I suppose it's because Women's Corner is reserved strictly for the idiots and airheads who aren't capable of an actual argument and can only engage in mindless chatter (which isn't banned). 🤮

redmarlin3 said:The Jezebel post [which is only partially quoted here and taken out of context] was left up because it’s completely on-topic, constructive, thoughtful, detailed, and offers a really interesting critical perspective on the situation.
The very first reply quoting it was aimed almost exclusively at bashing Jezebel itself ("you clearly have serious issues grasping the subject matter," "you don't understand anything," "only an idiot could write posts like this," etc.). That's why it was deleted.
The next few posts deal with Tadić and Srebrenica, which just doesn't belong here on ZK. So, they were removed.
The posts following the warning focus on my moderation. That's why they were (mostly) deleted.
Not a single post was given a full ban.
Yes, I can see for myself that I messed up here.

P.S. Endure, not endure.

🙏🙏

Oh yeah, why didn't you just delete my post instead of tearing it to shreds? 😁

Go ahead and quote it—let’s see this supposed insult toward Jezebel as a person. Let everyone else decide what they think for themselves, especially the folks over at the Women's Corner (instead of you trying to force an opinion on them 😬). 🤣

edit: And don't try to troll me with grammar police tactics. 🤣 Give me a break. 🤣

Oh boy

redmarlin3 got a little lost 😳 actually, let's be real, she's completely lost 😳☕

this is honestly hilarious 🤣