Drug Policy: Safe Injection Sites (SIS)

stormywolf39 said:Everyone should undergo some kind of lifestyle assessment and health screening, and then their insurance premiums should be adjusted accordingly (it’s the same thing with life insurance—they grill you about every little detail before setting your terms).

Look, take me for example. I live pretty healthy. No bad food habits, no addictions, nothing. Yet, I end up paying way more than my old man, who’s probably been smoking his whole life, spends every summer baking in the sun like an idiot, works insane hours, and so on.
So yeah, this isn't a foolproof metric.

And right now, while premiums don't depend on how you live, and while healthcare covers the costs of fixing fifty years of eating nothing but bacon, I don't really see why anyone is even asking who's going to foot the bill.

It’s just a matter of statistics... plus, I wasn't referring to primary care or dealing with congenital issues and things like that.

Sports injuries aren't some unavoidable destiny or part of your DNA. It's just risk. 🙂
Health issues and diseases caused by eating like garbage.
STDs.
The fallout from speeding, drunk driving, or being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver,
smoking,
alcohol poisoning,
and a mountain of other crap.

Why is nobody asking why this happens, or more importantly, who the hell is PAYING for it?

Look, I’m talking about the whole picture here... there are just so many variables we need to account for 🙂

Until we actually start taking that into account, asking who’s going to foot the bill is just a waste of breath.

And honestly, who in their right mind would check a box saying they frequently drive around with cranky people? Either I’m driving pissed off myself, or I'm flooring it on a straight stretch of highway on my way home, or I'm busy hooking up unprotected with some random or someone I barely know... 😵

Plus, now the money taken out of our paychecks for healthcare is also covering rehab for addicts after an overdose. And all those meds for diseases caught from dirty needles? You think that's coming out of some special fund paid for by bees?

The point about his behavior being risky and him wanting better coverage from Medicare because of it? Yeah, I guess 😬

I'm with you on the first part, though. 😁

Look, accidents happen to anyone, regardless of who's at fault. You really think emergency care for a crash victim should depend on how much they pay into the system? When someone's being rushed to the ER covered in blood, are they supposed to just sit there while doctors figure out if they were responsible or if they hopped in a car with a drunk driver? Do they check if the patient's insurance coverage matches their level of "guilt" first? If not, then too bad for them—assuming they even make it through the investigation.

Look, I’m not against treatment, even though some people up there have been tagging me for it...

But I am absolutely, 100% against letting junkies just get away with using drugs whenever they feel like it... hellooooooo...

Listen, we're talking about DRUG USE, not medical TREATMENT...

By that logic, why don't we just give psychopathic killers their own private rooms to go around murdering or raping people?

And oh man, imagine this: maybe we should put prisoners to work on a construction site or in a quarry so they never even think about stealing or killing again... instead of letting them just sit back and live off the hard-working folks who actually put in the hours :rolayz:

It’s not about giving them a free pass to get high, it’s about minimizing the damage right there on the spot.

But what’s the actual upside here? Does he just die, or do we save him only to have his brain fried, leaving him to live off taxpayer money for the rest of his life?

Regarding this:

Look, anyone can get into a car wreck without being at fault. You don't think emergency care for a crash victim should depend on their tax contributions, do you? When someone's hauled into the ER covered in blood, do they wait to figure out if there was any liability involved—like whether they hopped in with a drunk driver—before treating them? If they aren't "compliant" with some standard, do they just let them die while sorting out the paperwork? No. If they survive the initial trauma, they get treated.

That wasn't quite my point. I was thinking more about how someone constantly exposed to specific risks might actually want better coverage for the health issues naturally linked to their line of work. It’s not saying others shouldn't get help if the same thing happens to them, but I honestly believe those facing the highest risks should be the ones paying the premium for it.

stormywolf39 said:But what’s the actual "win" here? Does he just die, or do we save him only to have his brain fried while he drains taxpayer money through Medicare for the rest of his life?

I don't see the point in arguing with you anymore. 👋

Seriously, just go for it. If you ask me, they should just set up a private fund and let those wealthy Democrats or anyone else who supports them dump their cash into it.

Besides, we all know how absolutely stellar our healthcare system is working right now.

I mean, diabetics can barely get their damn testing strips, and you people actually want to raise taxes for these idiots? 🙄

Look, I have my own strong opinions about Democrats, and no, I wouldn't fork over a single cent for them if my life depended on it. 😠 😈

Let's just go ahead and set up designated safe zones for alcoholics.
Maybe we should build soundproofed rooms specifically for killers so they can take out their targets without accidentally catching some random bystander in the crossfire. ☕

By all means, let's do that.

Megan Reed said:And you people would actually shell out cash for these idiots.

Oh, so you think you aren't paying for these idiots right now? You really think the money you set aside for Medicare isn't being spent when some overdoser gets rushed to the ER? Or when junkies need treatment for hepatitis? So you only agreed to this on the one condition that not a single cent of yours goes toward treating addicts?

What about all those rehab centers and nonprofits that deal with addiction and get partially funded by federal tax dollars? Where does that money come from? The government budget, that's where.

Since I’m not working and I don't contribute a dime to anyone...
my mother handles all the bills. 😁

I get that people donate and all that, but this whole situation with Social Security is just peak stupidity, and if you ask me, that’s where we need to draw the line.

At this rate, we might as well start supplying them with drugs too. ☕

brisknomad6 said:I’m not against treatment, even if people up there were calling me that...

but I am definitely against letting junkies just get high whenever they want... hellooo?

Listen, I'm talking about DRUG USE, not TREATMENT...

Should we give psychopathic killers private rooms for murdering and raping then?

Maybe we should put prisoners to work in a quarry so they never think about stealing or killing again... instead of letting them live off the hard-working people who actually pay the bills :roll:)

Man, brisknomad6, you're talking nonsense. That's wild.

People are going to use drugs regardless, but this approach could actually prevent certain things.

Think about it. During the day, you can walk into a pharmacy and buy 100 sets of insulin supplies. Once the pharmacy closes, you're out of luck. So what's the point?

The only way to get clean gun is to head over to Sioux Falls because they have staff on duty almost always who will sell you the gear.

Most addicts don't have the time or the means to drive to Sioux Falls at night to grab clean gun and get high with the same person. Sometimes that person is so out of it you can't even find them, so you end up borrowing from someone else in your circle—and boom, there's an easy way to catch something.

Second thing: there isn't a single place where used insulin supplies get disposed of properly, so junkies just toss them wherever—manholes, parks, playgrounds, you name it.

And your hatred for addicts outweighing common sense is a whole different issue.

Seriously, what logic are you using to compare drug users to murderers and rapists? 🙄

I love it when people bring up stuff like this just so you can see how many "educated" types are actually just narrow-minded, self-righteous hypocrites. 🙏

Look, when some idiot gets drunk, hops in his car, and wrecks it—barely making it out alive—only to spend the entire night being patched up by doctors while burning through taxpayer money in the ICU and rehab? That’s peak stupidity right there.

The real peak of stupidity, though, is trying to cut costs on cleanup instead of just focusing on prevention.

Look, I am 100% against letting junkies get high... hellooooooo...

It’s not even an option for them right now. There aren't any addicts in America because we don't let them get high.