Thoughts on dairy consumption?

Steven Green2 said:What kind of quoted statement are you even talking about... because honestly, I feel like I've been repeating myself for an hour now and nobody seems to be following the thread... 😕

I’m talking about that same person I quoted in my last post... honestly, I can't tell if you actually get what I'm saying when you claim to understand me. You agree with everything I lay out, and then suddenly you're jumping in to say three liters is too much. Like, who are you to decide that's too much for him? If he’s a bodybuilder, there's no way it's overkill, and even if he was just some average guy hitting the gym once in a while, it still wouldn't be an issue... but whatever, I think we both know what we were trying to get at here, so I'm done wasting my breath on this...🙂

driftinggull13 said:The one I quoted earlier. Honestly, I don't even know if you actually get what I'm saying when you say you do. You agree with everything else, then suddenly claim three liters is too much. How do you even know it's too much? If he's a bodybuilder, it definitely isn't—and even if he were just some average guy exercising moderately, it still wouldn't be too much. Anyway, I think we both know what we meant, so I'm done arguing about this.🙂

Three liters is way too much, seriously. Milk is high in protein, and when your body tries to absorb that massive amount of protein all at once, it actually pulls calcium out of your bones. So milk basically does the exact opposite of what the commercials claim—it doesn't give us calcium, it strips it away. That’s why we have this weird paradox in the American diet today—we're drinking more milk than ever, yet osteoporosis rates are through the roof.

redheron8 said:Three liters is way too much. Milk is high in protein, and when you try to absorb that many proteins at once, the body actually pulls calcium from your bones to process it. So milk does the exact opposite of what the commercials claim—it doesn't give us calcium, it takes it away. That’s why we have this weird paradox in the American diet today: we're drinking more milk than ever, yet osteoporosis rates are still through the roof.

You're reaching a bit there. 😬 My physiology and biochemistry are a little rusty, but if I remember correctly, calcium absorption and protein absorption work through completely different mechanisms—they aren't tethered to each other like that. Unless you're talking about calcium bound to plasma proteins, but even then, your logic doesn't really hold up.

The reason we see osteoporosis is simply because we're better at diagnosing it now. It's like saying people die from cancer more often today. Sure, it's true, but back in the day they just died from *something* else and nobody bothered to call it cancer.

And yeah, calling it "high protein" is a total joke when there’s barely like 3-4% protein in it...

"Three liters is way too much; milk is already a high-protein food, and if you absorb that much protein at once, your body just drains calcium from your bones."

Oh, really? So what happens if someone eats a little bit of rice, or heaven forbid—some steak? Do they just get instant osteoporosis?

redheron8 said:Three liters is way too much. Milk is a high-protein food, and when you try to absorb that massive amount of protein at once, your body actually pulls calcium from your bones to process it. That’s why milk ends up doing the exact opposite of what the commercials claim—it doesn't provide calcium; it strips it away. This explains the weird paradox we see in the American diet today: we've never consumed more milk than ever, yet osteoporosis rates remain incredibly high.

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Could you please explain this connection between calcium, proteins, and osteoporosis?

Of course it’s impossible. That’s just what happens when people spend all their time scrolling through those mindless clickbait sites instead of actually bothering to look at some real physiology...😉

shadowfalcon33 said:🤣

Can you break down that whole thing about calcium, protein, and osteoporosis?

Basically, slamming too much protein causes your body to crank out endogenous oxalate. That stuff grabs onto the calcium in your blood and drags it away. But honestly, there's already way too much calcium in three quarts of milk anyway.

Three quarts of milk has plenty—actually, it’s way more protein than I even need. Sure, the body can burn off the excess by turning it into glucose, but that's just inefficient for your metabolism and definitely bad for your wallet. Besides, I'm not crazy enough to chug that much milk. My body doesn't have enough lactase, and I'm short on the enzymes needed to turn galactose into glucose. I'm still young, but if I were some old guy, drinking that much would be like drinking rat poison—unless you scale up really slowly.

Hmm...🙄 I've had milk twice today already, but I have to buy it for my muesli.😛

Sophia Martinez65 said:I think you're tripping a little here. 😬 My physiology and biochemistry might be a bit rusty, but if I recall correctly, calcium absorption and protein absorption work through totally different mechanisms and aren't tied together like that. Unless you were talking about calcium bound to plasma proteins, but even then, that doesn't really track.

The reason osteoporosis numbers are up is simply because we're better at diagnosing it now. It’s like saying people die from cancer more often today. Yeah, true, but back in the day they would've died from something else and nobody would have bothered to call it cancer.

🙂
I gotta jump in here because everyone keeps throwing around terms like biochemistry, physiology,G... and whatever else, when at the end of the day, we're just talking about cabbage or sauerkraut—basically a bowl of mixed greens. 🤮 For those of you who haven't actually read the stuff, 🙂

Michael Taylor7 said:Hey Steven Green2, tell me, what’s the actual point of cholesterol in the body anyway?
What's up with the Eskimi? They basically don't die from heart disease.

They eat tons of bluefish, man. You handle the rest.

Give them some Hershey's and see how fast things change.🙂

I can't say I understood either of the two posts above.

placidowl6 said:maybe three liters of milk is overkill after all.

I was reading that athletes need somewhere between 1 and 2.7 grams of calcium a day.

If I’m knocking back 3 liters of milk daily, the math says I’m hitting about 3.6g (since there's roughly 1.2g per liter). That puts me over by a gram, especially since I eat five eggs every morning, which also pack some calcium in the yolks.

I'm a bit worried that slamming that much calcium might trigger kidney stones. What do you guys think?

just eat two pounds of spinach with it and you'll cancel out the extra Ca, because it won't absorb.

northernskipper41 said:They eat tons of bluefish, so you can just answer the rest later.

A short lifespan?

Michael Taylor7 said:short lifespan?

I mean, yeah, relatively speaking, but it's still a damn long time considering their diet is over 50% fat.
With all those Omega-3 fatty acids, they don't deal with heart or vascular issues. Basically,

northernskipper41 said:Well, it’s relatively short, sure, but it still feels incredibly long when you consider their diet is now over 50% fat.
Because of those Omega-3 fatty acids, they don't run into the usual issues with heart health or blood vessels. In short,

Look, from what I understand, the fats themselves aren't the issue—it's more about the mercury buildup in the fish.
Actually, something just came out today regarding Omega-3 fatty acids.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/rapid...85.47v1?hrss=1

If I recall correctly, only specific parts of the world's oceans are actually dealing with serious heavy metal contamination in the fish populations. And honestly, most of those hotspots seem to be clustered right around the USA... though maybe my memory is just playing tricks on me.

Unfortunately, I only have these snippets available:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

northernskipper41 said:consuming massive amounts of protein leads to increased endogenous oxalate production which binds calcium from the blood—but there's already way too much in 3 liters of milk anyway

Three liters of milk has plenty (and honestly, way more protein than I need—sure, the body can convert the excess into energy via glucose, but that’s inefficient for the system and my wallet), but I'm not crazy enough to drink that much. I don't have that much lactase, nor the enzymes to turn galactose into glucose. I'm still young—imagine if I had six banks worth of it, I'd be poisoning myself like I was using rat poison (assuming I didn't scale up the intake gradually)

hm.....🙄 , today's the second time I've had to deal with this milk; I need it for my muesli😛

So, what, if I eat one single bite, am I going to generate enough oxalate to soak up all my calcium and trigger hypocalcemic tetany?? 🤣

Before you start worrying about greens or salads, I'd say you're basically claiming you have negative pressure in your skull—because if what you're stressing about were actually true, everyone would be riddled with oxalate stones everywhere. 👏

Who are these "mueslis" you need to buy milk for?

You don't absorb everything you eat. If you did, calcium wouldn't even be your smallest problem.

Milk has about 3.2g of protein per 100g, while meat is easily at 50%.

I'm not even going to try; there's no point explaining this to you. You need years of university study for this, not a single forum post. Seriously, man, sit down and relax. And 🙈 you clearly haven't a clue!

Sophia Martinez65, you’re actually okay with someone chugging 3 liters of milk a day—right? Like, seriously?

I'll give 👍

If I remember correctly, you were asking if drinking three gallons of milk would give you liver cirrhosis... NOPE.

Sophia Martinez65 said:So what, I eat one spinach leaf and suddenly I've got enough oxalates to suck all my calcium out and trigger hypocalcemic tetany?? 🤣

You don't absorb everything you shove down your throat. If you did, calcium wouldn't even be on your radar right now.

Someone was asking about the link between massive protein intake and osteoporosis.
Bodybuilders who load up on protein should already know how to handle excess oxalates.

We're talking about blood calcium here. When that drops, your body pulls calcium from your bones, and that's where the osteoporosis connection kicks in...
It's not happening just because you went overboard at a BBQ over the weekend. Osteoporosis is a long-term grind.