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Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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#41 ·
GNN> Look, over the last year or so, I’ve probably mentioned more than once how much I enjoyed a certain movie. I mean, what’s even the point in repeating myself?


Always. 👍

Hey, I actually enjoy reading your posts and your takes, especially when you manage to draw those connections between movies like hard drive and The Incredibles. 👍

Plus, I need something to kill time during these late hours when my Nintendo emulator glitches out and I end up losing an hour of grinding through five levels. 😵 😁
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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joined Feb 2003
#42 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:And what I love most about it is how sincere it feels.
It avoids being some kind of self-deprecating, cynical garbage—something that could have easily happened if this weren't in the hands of Brad Bird.

If I were to put it another way: The Incredibles are sincere, but they aren't cynical or totally depressing in that sincerity. It seems to me that the two most common extremes I encounter in comics, movies, and novels are either extremely naive stories with happy endings, or depressive, cynical tales where the worst possible outcome happens every single time. The former is shallow escapism, while the latter is—at least in my opinion—a hyper-reactive response to that exact type of escapism.

A few months back, I was going back and forth with Nephrite about how I just don't care for depressing comics. Aside from the fact that they bring me down, it seems much, much easier to craft a depressing ending that feels believable to the reader than to write a "happy" ending that doesn't make people roll their eyes at the perceived naivety, but instead makes them think, "Okay, I can actually see things turning out this way." Dan Simmons' novel "Hyperion" or Stephen King's "insomnia" are good examples of this: the good guys win, but only after making massive sacrifices.

One film critic once wrote that the romantic comedy is actually one of the hardest genres to pull off: how do you make a romance that isn't stupid without it becoming childishly naive? How do you strike that balance between lighthearted entertainment and realism in a movie that is ultimately meant to entertain? The Incredibles hit that sweet spot perfectly: they are upbeat enough to lift your mood, yet grounded enough that I'm not rolling my eyes at the sentimentality.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#43 ·
Melissa Moore32 said:Hey, I really enjoy your posts and your insights, especially when you draw those clever connections between movies like hard drive and The Incredibles.👍

Heh, thanks. I'm glad someone actually appreciates them. I might pop back up later with more commentary. Right now, I'm thinking about hitting up Jay and Watashi to see if they want to go catch it again (they haven't seen it yet).
Besides, I need something to pass the time during these late hours after my Nintendo emulator glitched out and I lost an hour of grinding through five levels.😵 😁

Well, thanks for nothing, man! 🙂 🙂 😬

Just for fun, here is a satirical post about "The Incredibles" that someone wrote on the news sites . Naturally, it's just a joke written by one of those people who lives and breathes Pixar movies. Still, the guy made a pretty sharp point about the current state of Hollywood.
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#44 ·
A little bit of trivia for you all:

The president over at Pixar is Edwin Catmull—he’s actually a guy who originally dreamed of being an animator back in the day, but ended up pivoting to study physics and computer science at the University of Utah. While he was there, he actually pioneered things like texture mapping, Z-buffering, and bicubic patches, which are basically the foundational building blocks of computer graphics that we all just take for granted today.
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#45 ·
casualotter21 said:I’d probably word it like this: The Incredibles are totally sincere, but they aren't cynical or completely depressing about it.


Something along those lines.

For the longest time, I actually had this idea that 'realism' and 'seriousness' in superhero movies meant everything had to take place at night, usually while it was raining or snowing, with superheroes constantly staring gloomily into the camera under dramatic lighting that throws long shadows across their faces.

Then, suddenly, we got Raimi's Spider-Man which was as colorful as a carnival, earnest (without being cheesy), and yet actually took a crack at dealing with some pretty heavy ideas—and did so with total sincerity.
It was such a breath of fresh air. I remember sitting in the theater watching the first one, and I just couldn't stop smiling.

To be honest, this whole 'back to basics' approach isn't exactly groundbreaking when you look at the history of American comic books.
A lot of it traces back to the brilliance of Alan Moore. Back in the eighties, he completely flipped the superhero mythology on its head with Watchmen. After that, everyone in the industry started mindlessly copying him, which is just how things go in Hollywood (I mean, how many people tried to imitate Gaiman's way of humanizing myth after Sandman, or the macho pulp vibes of Ennis and Dillon following Preacher?).
Moore eventually grew tired of that cynical trend, remembered that his own childhood hero was Superman, and decided to focus on making "fun and educational comics for young people."
And that’s how ABC was born.

The Incredibles essentially distill that entire creative journey of Moore's into a single feature film.
First, you have the subverted mythology: superheroes become ordinary people who have to struggle with mundane, everyday problems. Some can't handle the transition (like Mr. Incredible), while others adapt to it more naturally (like Elastigirl)—only to eventually realize what their true nature and purpose really are.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#46 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:It’s all just classic Alan Moore. Back in the eighties, he basically
deconstructed the whole superhero mythos with
Watchmen. The Incredibles
essentially takes that entire Moore-esque trajectory and condenses it into one single late-night feature film.
First, you have the subverted mythology: superheroes become mere people who have to
deal with mundane human struggles. Some struggle to adapt (Mr.
Incredible), while others subconsciously embrace it (Elastigirl)—only to eventually
discover their true nature and purpose.

Well, here we go again. A few weeks ago, I picked up Watchmen by Watashi, but I didn't actually get around to reading it until after I watched The Incredibles. I ended up really enjoying the graphic novel. Even though it's incredibly dark, given the themes it tackles—like the Cold War, consumerist crises, assault, and murder—I found it surprisingly easy to sink my teeth into.
Joseph Scott5 Joseph Scott5 Member
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joined Oct 2003
#47 ·
I finally sat down to watch them last night—the original version, of course—and I’m honestly floored 👍
There are moments where it feels less like an animation and more like a high-budget feature film, and the characters? Just top-tier. It’s this incredibly balanced cocktail of adventure, action, drama, and heartfelt family dynamics. 😎

A few highlights that stuck with me:

- Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible—specifically that sequence where he starts working out to lose the gut and gets all dressed up again (those cufflinks were a total vibe)

- That little kid on the tricycle

- Jack-Jack 😂

Does anyone happen to know if they're planning a sequel? 🙏
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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#48 ·
Joseph Scott5 said:Does anyone know if they're planning on making a sequel? 🙏

God, I hope not. 😱
Joseph Scott5 Joseph Scott5 Member
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#49 ·
Melissa Moore32 said:God forbid. 😱

But why not? Personally, I’d actually be down to 😁

P.S. If nothing else, I'll probably just catch the dubbed version once it hits DVD. 😉
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#50 ·
Melissa Moore32 said:God forbid. 😱

Wait, hold on—why all this negativity regarding sequels? When it comes to Pixar, I thought Toy Story was great, and honestly, Toy Story 2 was even better.
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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#51 ·
I mean, let’s be real here—this just isn't one of those rare cases where a sequel could actually live up to the quality of the original. I guess it's just unlikely.

There are just way too many elements here that you can't easily replicate or even reuse in a practical sense. I guess it’s all fine if you're going for one specific look, but from a production standpoint, it feels like a massive waste. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it seems like a lot of effort for something that doesn't scale at all. I guess there might be a follow-up coming, but I honestly don't know. Maybe.I guess this movie has one single thread that actually works, but honestly, it’s the only thing going for it. Nowhere else does it manage to pull itself together.

Look, this isn't some endless cash cow like Shrek that they can just keep recycling forever as long as there's a market for it. 🙄

I honestly feel like a sequel would just be plain stupid compared to the original, and I’m genuinely worried it might actually trivialize what made the first one great. Why am I saying this? Because the first film felt like a complete, self-contained chapter. Everything that needed to be said was said, and everything that needed to be shown was shown. To me, that’s where the story ends.

I mean, I guess you could argue that Toy Story isn't exactly the best example to use here, mostly because it left the door wide open for all those sequels, right? 😉

If they ever actually made a sequel, I guess it would end up being something like The Lion King 2. Honestly, I’m trying my best here, but I just can't think of a better comparison. 😁)

Look, I’m not saying it’s impossible to make a sequel. It's definitely doable. But honestly? It just wouldn't be the same thing.

So, here’s what I’m actually hoping for—and maybe I’m just being optimistic here—but I really want Pixar to stick to this specific rhythm and style. What I mean is that they should take a theme, or a problem, or just some situation... honestly, it doesn't even matter what it is... as long as the movie actually has a point or a core idea behind it. From there, they could build the whole thing using those same building blocks we saw in The Incredibles—you know, mixing the action, the drama, and the visual style—just set within a completely different world. You know what I mean?

Okay... this turned out to be incredibly confusing.😕

I mean, look at someone like Miyazaki, for instance.

If you take a close look at his movies, you start to notice that a huge number of them share certain—and I really want to emphasize *certain*—common threads. Usually, it’s some specific idea, one of his particular stances, or just a direct product of his own imagination. Sometimes those themes are everywhere, sometimes they're subtle... honestly, it doesn't even matter.

The main thing is that we only need to swap out the external setting and, obviously, the plot itself.

I guess you could say that Nausicaa and Laputa are pretty similar, even when you look at the overall style. On the other hand, Mononoke really stands out from the rest, though I suppose its core ideas feel closer to Nausicaa than they do to Laputa or anything else.

I mean, wouldn't it be great if Pixar actually tried something new? I guess they could make another action flick with some dramatic undertones, sure, but maybe this time they could actually base it on something real—like, I don't know, youth issues, environmental stuff, or even the economy... I'm just throwing examples out there, but you get my point. And for heaven's sake, let's hope they don't just call it Incredibles 2 again.
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#52 ·
I’m pretty sure Brad Bird mentioned that there wouldn't be a sequel. But the real kicker is that Disney owns the rights to the entire Pixar catalog from back when they were partners—which includes the right to whip up sequels for those films whenever they feel like it. 😲
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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#53 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:I think Brad Bird mentioned there wouldn't be a sequel. But the real kicker is that Disney owns the entire Pixar catalog from when they were partners—which includes the rights to make sequels to those movies. 😲

Well, great job, Richard Hernandez13... you hit the nail on the head. 👍

The problem is that a sequel would probably feel way more like a Disney cash grab and way less like actual Pixar, and we all know how those Disney sequels usually turn out. 👎

(Okay, okay... I guess Aladdin 2 was actually pretty decent 😁)
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#54 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:The real headache is that Disney owns the entire Pixar catalog from their partnership days—which basically gives them the green light to churn out sequels whenever they feel like it.

Honestly, I’m starting to get a little nervous. 😲 😱 🙂
Jamie Sanchez48 Jamie Sanchez48 NewcomerOP
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#55 ·
Melissa Moore32 says:
Because this just isn't one of those rare cases where a sequel could actually match the caliber of the original movie.
What I’m really hoping for—if we can even call it that—is for Pixar to maintain this specific momentum and stylistic approach. Essentially, they should take a core theme, a conflict, or just some central concept... it doesn't strictly matter... as long as the film possesses a genuine point or an underlying idea... whatever... and then construct the narrative using that same toolkit of action, drama, and visual style found in The Incredibles, but simply transplant it into an entirely different setting... if you follow my drift...

So, yeah, exactly, Incredibles 2 would only really work if it functioned as a standalone piece rather than a traditional sequel.
cosmictrucker132 cosmictrucker132 Member
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#56 ·
Great animation 👋
Rebecca Cox2 Rebecca Cox2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2004
#57 ·
Who else thinks The Incredibles is easily the best movie of 2004?

I actually went to the theater to see it five times (always with the subtitles on), and now I’m genuinely bummed it’s not playing in theaters anymore. I honestly wouldn't mind catching it one more time...
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#58 ·
Superskeptik said:Who else thinks The Incredibles is the best movie of 2004?

I saw it in theaters five times (always with subtitles) and I'm honestly bummed it’s not still playing, because I'd go see it again in a heartbeat...

Give me a break.
I wouldn't go so far as calling it the "best movie of the year," but it was definitely the most fun. To me, The Incredibles is the perfect blueprint for what an action flick should be: great special effects, solid humor, and effortless style, all wrapped up in characters you actually care about and a plot that isn't riddled with the kind of holes that make a theater audience laugh at how bad it is.

It wasn't until I watched it that I realized just how rare truly good escapist cinema has become in Hollywood.
silverpuma90 silverpuma90 Newcomer
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#59 ·
If you’re actually looking for an incredible time, go watch The Savior.
Absolutely phenomenal............................
Noah Watson4 Noah Watson4 Member
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#60 ·
freddie said:If you want some seriously top-tier entertainment, go watch The Avengers.
Absolutely phenomenal............................

Oh, for sure, I’d recommend that movie too! 👍 To be honest, the character development wasn't quite hitting the mark for my specific tastes, but man, the animation itself is just incredible! There were so many hilarious bits that I was practically choking on my laughter! 😂

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