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Anesthesia, Resuscitation, and ICU: Q&A

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Sean Doyle Sean Doyle MemberOP
31 messages
joined Dec 2002
#1 ·
Hi there 👋

I have an upcoming surgery scheduled, but since I’ve never gone through anything quite like this before, I’m really struggling with the whole anesthesia decision 😢 Nothing is set in stone just yet, but my surgeon suggested I lean toward an epidural—mostly because it’s supposedly easier to handle than general anesthesia, since you don't have to deal with being intubated and all that sort of thing...

The thing is, I have two main hang-ups. First off, the idea of someone sticking needles into my spine is, frankly, a little terrifying. On top of that, the thought of being wide awake the entire time, just lying there listening to everything... 😱 It makes me think they might actually find it easier to just put me under rather than dealing with me being in pain during the procedure 😬

So, I was wondering if anyone could share their actual experiences—especially if you've had to navigate both types. I realize it’s all very subjective, but if an epidural truly is significantly better than going under, then maybe I shouldn't be overthinking this too much 🙂
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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joined Jun 2005
#2 ·
You actually missed a pretty huge detail here, which is what kind of surgery we're even talking about.
I mean, at the end of the day, the anesthesiologist is the one calling the shots on how you'll be put under, so it’s not always a simple choice. Like, you could totally have general anesthesia without being intubated if they just use a laryngeal mask, but if the procedure is longer or involves abdominal work, they're definitely going to go with full general anesthesia, intubation, and muscle relaxants.
Then there's the whole "needle in the spine" thing people always bring up—most folks think they're getting an epidural, but in actual practice, those aren't even that common compared to spinal anesthesia, and honestly, an epidural isn't the same thing at all.
And look, you really can't let the surgeon dictate the anesthesia plan; surgeons and the fine details of sedation don't really overlap much.
If you're heading into surgery, you're going to have a pre-op consultation at the anesthesia clinic anyway, so just take that chance to ask every single question on your mind.
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Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#3 ·
Take a knee surgery, for instance—you almost never see those done under general anesthesia anymore.

Just really think it through and make your call. It truly all comes down to the specific procedure you're having.

Personally, the thought of getting a shot in my spine sounds pretty terrifying, but honestly? Being intubated sounds way worse. So, I’d definitely go with a spinal...
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#4 ·
Hey, this seems like a pretty solid spot to ask if someone could maybe clear something up for me... specifically, what’s the actual deal with the difference between spinal and epidural anesthesia? Thanks!
stormylynx14 stormylynx14 Active Member
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#5 ·
If you opt for a spinal—or an epidural if they have to extend the procedure—you can still request sedation. You’ll feel calm, then you won't feel anything at all.

With a spinal or epidural, you run the risk of post-op headaches, which happen quite often. Intubation carries a slight risk to your teeth. Those are the common minor setbacks; nothing major is looming, and for a healthy person, the risk is practically negligible.
stormylynx14 stormylynx14 Active Member
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#6 ·
Jose Miller3 said:This seems like a decent spot to ask someone to clarify the difference between spinal and epidural anesthesia... Thanks!

Beyond the technicalities, a spinal is a single dose of analgesic that wears off after a set period. With an epidural, you have a catheter allowing for dosage adjustments as needed.
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#7 ·
stormylynx14 said:If you go the spinal route (or an epidural if the surgery runs long), they can still give you sedation so you're just relaxed and mellow. You won't feel any anxiety at first, and then suddenly, you won't remember a thing.

With a spinal or epidural, you run the risk of getting those post-op headaches—which happen quite a bit—but with intubation, there’s actually a certain risk to your teeth.

If it were just about the teeth, I'd be totally fine with it...

That headache after a spinal isn't a guarantee, and even if it does happen (it's caused by CSF leakage, which is why they have you rest up after surgery to help slow that leak down), it usually clears up pretty fast.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#8 ·
stormylynx14 said:Aside from some technical nuances, a spinal is basically a one-time shot of painkiller that lasts for a set window of time. With an epidural, you've got a catheter in place—so they can just adjust the dosage whenever needed...

Sweet, thanks. Now I actually know something else to keep in mind...
Donna Robinson5 Donna Robinson5 Member
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#9 ·
Honestly, I’ve been through the ringer with both types—had to deal with surgery on my lower leg after some nasty fractures—and man, this spinal one is just way easier to handle. It's much more manageable. If it came down to it, I'd definitely go with this option again.
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#10 ·
Jose Miller3 said:I figured this would be a pretty good spot to ask if anyone could help me wrap my head around the actual difference between spinal and epidural anesthesia... thanks a ton!

So, both of these are basically what you’d call central blocks, where the whole idea is that by injecting anesthesia right around the spinal cord, you're essentially cutting off those pain signals before they ever hit the brain—and even blocking any instructions traveling from the brain down to the rest of the body. It’s pretty wild because you aren't just numbing the pain; you're completely losing all movement from the injection site down, which I remember being such a surreal feeling the first time I saw it done. Depending on exactly where the needle goes in, you're looking at either a spinal or an epidural block.

So, when we're talking about spinal anesthesia, you’re basically injecting a mix of local anesthetics—think Lidocaine or Marcaine—along with something like Fentanyl right into that spinal space where the cerebrospinal fluid lives. We aim for the lower back because, honestly, that's the safest spot to avoid any real risk to the spinal cord itself. Depending on how much stuff we use and exactly where we hit, we can control just how high up the numbness goes. But since that little "cocktail" gets mixed into the fluid, it tends to drift upward, which is why patients usually end up feeling a bit groggy or drifting in and out of consciousness. You really have to be careful with the dosage, though, because if you overdo it, you can run into breathing issues that lead straight to needing a breathing tube. It’s pretty much our go-to move for almost anything involving the legs, hips, or even some pelvic and lower abdominal procedures.

So, I was reading up on epidurals earlier—it’s basically that technique where they inject the anesthetic right into the space between your spine and the membrane surrounding your spinal cord. It’s pretty wild because you can numb out a specific area of your body to kill the pain while everything else stays totally normal, though sometimes they use a lighter dose just to block the pain signals while letting you keep your muscle strength, which is exactly how they handle those painless deliveries at hospitals like Mayo Clinic.
So, if they slide one of those thin little plastic tubes—you know, an epidural catheter—into the epidural space, it basically opens the door to continuous anesthesia, which is such a lifesaver when you need that pain relief to just keep flowing for a while.
You know, I was chatting with my doctor about it the other day, and it turns out epidurals aren't just for when you're having a baby; they’re actually used for all sorts of stuff like surgeries on your legs, hips, lower belly, or even around the chest and lungs. It's also a pretty huge lifesaver for folks dealing with chronic pain from cancer, since it can provide that steady, ongoing relief when things get really tough.

Most anesthesiologists aren't exactly huge fans of doing epidurals because you have to be right there hovering over the patient to constantly tweak the dosage, whereas a spinal is just way more straightforward and easier to manage.

The anesthesia usually wears off after about two to four hours, and then you just start feeling everything again and getting your movement back bit by bit.

If things don't go exactly to plan with this kind of anesthesia, it’s no biggie—we just pop a tube in him and switch over to general anesthesia, so he stays totally out and comfortable.

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Sean Doyle Sean Doyle MemberOP
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#11 ·
stormylynx14 said:Even if you opt for a spinal—or perhaps an epidural, if things end up running longer than expected—there’s still the option of sedation. Basically, they just give you enough to take the edge off. You won't feel any anxiety at first, and then... well, you won't remember anything at all.

That sounds pretty ideal, 🙂

I suppose I've learned something new today; apparently, we're looking at a spinal rather than an epidural... sorry, just one more silly question—if they're just giving a single dose of pain medication, is there any actual chance it might wear off prematurely? 😱

By the way, this is for some bone surgery on my feet...

I have to meet with the anesthesiologist on day one anyway, so I'll be sure to dig into the technicalities then. Honestly, I was mostly just hoping to hear about what others have gone through. 🙂
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#12 ·
Casey Palmer5 said:If they could just skip the teeth part, it would be perfect...

I'm right there with you on that. Honestly, intubation is one of those high-stakes moments where even the most seasoned anesthesiologist in the ER starts feeling the pressure. It’s a good thing we hit patients with barbiturates and muscle relaxants beforehand so they can just drift off peacefully through the whole process. Most people I talk to who have gone under general anesthesia mostly complain about a sore throat or their voice acting wonky afterward.

And look, if someone actually ends up with chipped teeth—which is incredibly rare—they can totally lose it on their anesthesiologist, because that’s strictly on them for being careless or incompetent. 😁
quietharbor2 quietharbor2 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Sean Doyle said:Hi there. 👋

I have an upcoming surgery—nothing is set in stone yet—but I am struggling to choose an anesthesia method. 😢 My surgeon suggested an epidural, arguing it’s easier to handle than general anesthesia since you don't deal with intubation and such.

The issue is twofold: first, the idea of needles in my spine is terrifying, and second, being wide awake to listen to everything happening in the room sounds even worse. 😱 Honestly, I suspect it might actually be easier for the staff to just put me under rather than deal with me being in pain. 😬

So, I'm looking for your experiences—especially if anyone has gone through both types. I know it varies by person, but if an epidural really is superior to general anesthesia, then my decision is basically made. 🙂

Spinals and epidurals remain safer options than general anesthesia.

When handled by experts, there are no lingering issues with the spine. As for "listening to everything"—aside from the local anesthetic, they typically provide sedatives so you’ll be quiet, but won't be worried. Sometimes they even use medications to ensure you forget the whole ordeal; if the experience is traumatic, it won't leave a lasting impression. If you're feeling anxious, try scheduling a consultation with the anesthesiologist before deciding to ask these exact questions. I’m sure they’d be happy to walk you through it.
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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joined May 2005
#14 ·
Can someone clear something up for me?

Everyone here keeps acting like intubation is some massive, terrifying ordeal😱 during "standard" anesthesia.

I went under for surgery last year—they tube you once you're out and pull it before you even wake up. You have absolutely NO idea it even happened, and there aren't any lingering side effects.

So, what exactly is the big deal here?😕

By the way, I specifically REQUESTED a spinal or an epidural because I WANTED to be conscious while they were digging around in my abdomen, but they wouldn't allow it.

The excuse they gave was that I’d probably just end up arguing with them mid-surgery.🙂
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#15 ·
ha, you seriously lucked out. Most people end up dealing with a wrecked throat and vocal cords after being intubated—and honestly, when you’ve got a surgical incision sliced across your midsection from some major operation, the last thing you want is to be coughing uncontrollably for three days straight while trying to heal... it's just miserable. Plus, dental issues can pop up too. At the end of the day, nobody actually enjoys having a breathing tube shoved down their throat, and things get even sketchier if the surgery drags on for a long time—like five or six hours or something...
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#16 ·
I went through a four-hour surgery and ended up with a massive, gaping cavity 😕

So, was I just incredibly lucky?

Why on earth does dental work have to be such a nightmare?
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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joined Mar 2024
#17 ·
Yeah, just hope for the best—and honestly, they say smokers deal with throat issues and coughing way more often, so if you aren't a smoker, there was probably less chance you'd be dealing with that kind of cough in the first place.

As for the teeth thing, look, the tube has to pass right by them. And if the anesthesiologist is having a bad day or just being careless, they might snag something... things can get pretty messy sometimes...
Betty Bennett10 Betty Bennett10 Active Member
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joined May 2005
#18 ·
I’ve dealt with my own share of terrible throat issues following intubation. Honestly, I’d choose spinal or epidural anesthesia over general any day of the week; general anesthesia just gives me nightmares—literally. Just last night, I was dreaming about being under general anesthesia and actually woke up screaming. 😁
Kenneth Hernandez67 Kenneth Hernandez67 Regular
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#19 ·
If I had actually INSISTED, would I have been granted a different type of anesthesia? 😕 Does a patient even have the right to choose?

I'm genuinely curious.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#20 ·
Honestly, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like there are definitely times when a patient gets to call the shots—and then there are those other times where they just don't... I haven't really run into many situations where that wasn't the case, though.

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