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Anesthesia, Resuscitation, and ICU: Q&A

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Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#781 ·
It’s not just about some random test result; they actually sit down and talk to you first. They dig into your medical history, listen to your lungs with a stethoscope, and review whatever other specialists have noted in your file. Depending on how old you are and what kind of surgery you’re facing, they might order a few extra tests to be safe... and so on.

When it comes to anesthesia, your blood work and the overall health of your heart and lungs are basically the gold standard—everything else is secondary. General anesthesia really puts those specific systems to the test, so you need a solid assessment there. Honestly, obsessing over everything else doesn't make much sense or even matter. Like, if your digestion is totally fine and there’s no issues there, why would anyone bother checking out your gut if you're just going in for something like tonsils or an ovarian procedure?
Jamie Ross7 Jamie Ross7 Newcomer
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#782 ·
This is such an awesome thread. Seriously, major props to all the pros out there taking time out of their busy schedules to actually answer our questions. Much appreciated.

I’m gonna post a spin on this because, honestly, I feel like absolute garbage. This nausea and vomiting after waking up from general anesthesia is absolutely killing me.

So, I’ve been scrolling through the first few pages here, and honestly? It looks like I definitely fit into that small group of people who are basically walking motion sickness machines. I’m a woman, I haven’t touched a cigarette in eight years, and I get nauseous almost every single time I'm in a car—unless, of course, I'm the one behind the wheel. Then I'm fine.

It wasn't always like this. I swear, when I was just a kid, I’d wake up after having my tonsils out without even blinking. But then, fast forward to when I was 24—I had my appendix removed and woke up feeling like I'd just taken a quick nap while watching some random TV schedule. It's wild how much things change.

Fifteen years later, and I just went through a total thyroidectomy—I was throwing up for twelve hours straight.🙄
Had a recent septorhinoplasty too—lasted maybe an hour or so, give or take. I was basically just sitting there between two rounds of getting my meds administered.
Even that "funny" little five-minute gynecological procedure—they told me it literally only takes that long, a quick polyp removal—ended up leaving me puking for like 6 or 7 hours straight.

Can this stuff actually develop as you get older? I'm wondering if there's a connection to the dosage, or maybe the ratio of body fat to muscle mass... or could it be an issue with a problematic liver?
Or maybe it’s just those opioid components in the cocktail? (Did I get that right?) Honestly, I’m the kind of person who reacts pretty badly to stuff like that. One time, I had this brutal headache—total sinus issues—and they gave me some Tramadol, and man, the nausea hit me immediately.

I mean, I don't really have enough experience to say for sure if it works without all that pressure, but honestly? I could just live with being a pukey person.
So, here’s how I’ve been handling things lately—any idea what might have shifted? And honestly, is there anything I could potentially tweak on my own to fix it? Maybe.
(I really hope this thing stops messing with me.)
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#783 ·
Hello, I have a laparoscopy scheduled for a clear ovarian cyst in about ten days. I’ve come down with a cold this week—it's been going on for about four days now. I'm dealing with a cough, some hoarseness, and my nose is pretty stuffed up every morning, though I don't have a fever. Does this mean they will likely postpone my surgery?
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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#784 ·
Honestly, having ten days before surgery gives you plenty of breathing room for those symptoms to clear up, especially since they've already been hanging around for four days. If things settle down like I think they will, you'll likely head into the OR right on schedule. If you were facing surgery right this second, in the middle of all this... well, they probably wouldn't even bother with anesthesia. There's just no point in taking unnecessary risks when you don't have to.
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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#785 ·
Linda Johnson66 said:Hey, how do doctors actually know if I’m ready for surgery just by looking at blood work, chest X-rays, and urine tests? I’m going in for a cyst removal on my ovary, but what happens if I have some issue with my large or small intestine that I don't even know about—like, something undiagnosed or just some general illness I'm totally unaware of???

In reality, nothing is ever absolute in this field...
The whole idea behind running these tests is to get a sort of "snapshot" of what's happening inside your body right now, much like when you go in for a standard physical, and it also serves to "document" your baseline health status before surgery in case anything goes sideways later on—though whether that's actually useful is a bit debatable...

On the other hand, there's been a growing movement lately in the medical community toward a more liberal approach, where they don't bother with a laundry list of tests if the patient doesn't have any existing comorbidities; instead, if issues *do* exist, they aim for much more "targeted" testing, mostly to cut down on costs and, secondarily, to avoid bothering the patient unnecessarily... Regardless, old habits die hard, and frankly, it's a nasty habit to break, but as an anesthesiologist, I feel I have every right to demand whatever tests I deem necessary before I take responsibility for someone's life...

Personally, I try to stick as closely as possible to risk assessment protocols (the ASA classification), and after performing a physical exam, I usually decide exactly what I want the patient to have tested. This can range from absolutely nothing (for instance, a child needing a minor procedure or a healthy young adult without underlying conditions) all the way up to an echocardiogram or a CT scan of the abdomen if we're dealing with someone who has cardiac issues or a massive tumor—and obviously, if those haven't already been done by the surgeon, because no sane person is going to order a repeat CT without a damn good reason if one was performed just a month ago...

Jamie Ross7 said:This is such a great topic; my hat's off to the experts here who take the time to answer our questions...
...I'm going to throw out a variation of a question that's been asked before, because honestly, I am absolutely miserable with how much nausea and vomiting hits me every time I wake up from general anesthesia...

...can this be something that develops over the years?...

It certainly can....

Jamie Ross7 said:Does it have anything to do with the dosage, the ratio of fat to muscle tissue, or maybe an issue with the liver?

We don't know for sure... I mean, we can look at statistics to see who has a higher probability of being hit by nausea, but nobody can tell you with 100% certainty the exact mechanism of why it happens to one person and not to another...
🤷

Jamie Ross7 said:either it's those opioid components in the cocktail—if I wrote that right—because I’m usually the type who reacts aggressively to them; once, because of a massive headache from my sinuses, I was given Tramadol and immediately felt nauseous.

It could be—but it’s definitely part of it... Opioids absolutely ramp up nausea, just like N2O and a whole bunch of other stuff usually (I say usually, not always), though the anti-nausea meds they give you generally work pretty well, at least in the short term...

Jamie Ross7 said:I mean, I don't really have experience with whether it can happen without that blood pressure spike, but honestly, I’d just settle for being a puke machine.
I'm trying to figure out what changed and if there's anything I can actually fix myself, potentially.
(I really hope this doesn't mess with me again.)

It's tough, unless you loudly emphasize during every single surgery that you suffer from REPETITIVE postoperative nausea and vomiting, so that whoever is handling the anesthesia "beefs up" the preventative measures... otherwise, I don't see what else you could do, like how you're supposed to "desensitize" yourself to PONV with something you do on your own...🙂

Linda Johnson66 said:Hi, I have a laparoscopy for a clear ovarian cyst coming up in ten days, but I caught a cold this week—it's been going on for about 4 days now. I've got a cough, I'm hoarse, and my nose is stuffed up every morning, though I don't have a fever. Does this mean they'll probably postpone the surgery??

Look, the answer is way more complicated than it might seem, or honestly, it should be according to any kind of logic... So let's start with the head...
The reason why anesthesiologists hate it when patients have a cold is the exact same reason they hate heavy smokers—airway irritation. An irritated airway is far more prone to reacting to extra stimuli by spasming the vocal cords and bronchi, triggering coughing fits, or producing excessive mucus that then clogs up the airways, whether those are natural or artificial...
The problem is that in anesthesia, we mess around with the airway quite a bit, especially when we're inserting tubes (which is standard for laparoscopy), and furthermore, after a "cold," excessive irritation and airway reactivity can linger for up to two months after the other symptoms vanish... even if someone is functioning perfectly fine on a daily basis, they can still react to being "poked," so whether you had a fever during the cold or not has absolutely NOTHING to do with it and isn't a predictor of how reactive the airway will be at a given moment following an infection, which brings us to the next point...
Complications... First things first, here’s the intraoperative data... Bronchospasm... just one of those things that hits you like a freight train when you least expect it, leaving you gasping for air while everything else seems to just grind to a halt... It’s such a relentless, suffocating sensation, isn't it? One minute you're fine, and the next, it feels like someone's tightened a vice around your chest, making every single breath feel like a desperate struggle against an invisible weight... It’s honestly exhausting, both physically and mentally, trying to fight through that tightness while your lungs feel like they've completely shut down on you... You know, there are certain things that can go absolutely sideways right on the operating table, and it’s enough to completely ruin the day for both the anesthesiologist and the patient, no matter how well everything else goes... And honestly, even with some surgeries, just a simple, violent coughing fit can turn into a total disaster—like if you’re having a hernia repair and a massive cough causes everything to just snap from the sheer strain. Then you've got laryngospasm kicking in right after they pull the tube out, which is terrifying... Plus, we have to face the reality that once you've gone under general anesthesia, your body's natural ability to clear out secretions from your airways is going to be compromised for a few days. Even if we don't give you extra meds that mess with things, the inhaled anesthetic gases themselves actually interfere with the function of the cilia on the bronchial and tracheal cells... and that can lead to real symptoms or even full-blown pneumonia because general anesthesia frequently causes those tiny parts of the lungs to collapse—what we call atelectasis—which temporarily, or sometimes permanently, tanks your lung capacity and leaves you struggling...
Discussion... Look, obviously there are all sorts of anesthetic techniques out there—some higher risk, some lower—that can be used to get the job done depending on the circumstances, and if you make the right call from the start, you can seriously cut down how often things go sideways or how bad those complications actually get... every single anesthesiologist knows this, and honestly, they usually have several different ways to tackle the exact same problem, but before anything else happens, there is always one fundamental question that has to be asked first... Why on earth would anyone even bother exposing themselves to an increased risk of complications if it isn't absolutely necessary... I mean, seriously, what is the point of taking that gamble when you don't have to... And that goes both ways—it’s just as true for the anesthesiologist as it is for the patient, because at the end of the day, we're talking about the patient's actual life and their long-term health... so really, the whole debate over whether you should go under the knife while fighting a cold or not is just one big, complicated question that doesn't have such a simple answer...How much does it actually matter if you get the procedure done right this second? I mean, really... how critical is that timing when everything feels like it's hanging in the balance..."
Look, there’s a massive difference between facing a malignant tumor that’s actively threatening to spread and grow—or if you're dealing with a procedure that you've been stuck waiting months, or even years, for—or maybe someone who actually risked their entire career by using up their single annual vacation just to get surgery because their private employer won't let them take medical leave... that's one thing entirely... but if we're talking about something that can be pushed back a month without anyone breaking a sweat, then we are talking about something else altogether...
Look, at the end of the day, it really just boils down to the agreement between the patient and the anesthesiologist, and honestly, everyone is entitled to their own perspective on this kind of thing... you can't just force an opinion on someone because they're the one ultimately carrying the weight of the decision, and they have every right to turn down a treatment if they aren't feeling it—unless, of course, we're talking about those absolute emergency situations where the patient's condition is crashing and the doctor feels like things could be stabilized through therapy or just waiting it out instead of jumping straight to a procedure...
My personal take on this... Look, as I made clear before, I can't exactly speak for my colleagues who are actually running the anesthesia on the day of the procedure... they have every right to use their own clinical judgment and set their own criteria based on what they see in front of them, and honestly, that’s just how it works in an American hospital... Personally, I rarely ever pull a patient from the schedule unless we're dealing with an "active" cold involving heavy coughing and specific lung sounds—which usually points toward tracheobronchitis—but even then, I always make sure to walk the patient through the potential complications... If I truly feel the risk is unacceptable, I might even demand an extra signature acknowledging they understand the risks before we proceed with anesthesia, though obviously, if it's an emergency or if postponing the surgery would be a massive logistical nightmare, I'll just lean heavily on proper premedication to minimize any issues and carry out the anesthesia with every necessary precaution in place... 🤷

Look, you absolutely have to make sure you tell the anesthesiologist who’s handling your case about that cold, no matter what... because if it happened just a day or two before the surgery—which, let's be honest, is usually how these things go—and they don't take the initiative to swing by and check on you in the afternoon before the actual procedure, you really ought to mention it to the nurse... just suggest that someone from the anesthesia team comes by to give you a quick look and maybe adjust your premedication so it actually works the way it should...
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#786 ·
Thank you all for the responses. My surgery actually got pushed back because I was diagnosed with laryngitis and dealing with a nasty cough, so they moved everything out by two months. Honestly, I don't mind too much since it isn't an emergency, though I am slightly worried about the cyst potentially rupturing or twisting—fingers crossed that doesn't happen. Given that my job keeps me in cold environments where I'm constantly catching chills, I’m really hoping I stay healthy over the next couple of months so we don't end up delaying this indefinitely. I tend to have issues where a cold settles right in my lungs because I don't have tonsils.

I do have one more question: how dangerous is a dental granuloma? My anesthesiologist mentioned it could be a source of potential infection, but she didn't specify if it absolutely needs to be extracted. I'd prefer not to pull it if I can help it—once it's out, it's out—so I'm wondering if it's okay to just live with it for now if there's no immediate necessity?

Also, what is the actual risk of thrombosis following surgery? I realized after my appointment that I forgot to mention that we have a history of stroke deaths in my immediate family, so I'll have to make sure to follow up on that.

On top of that, I frequently get bruises on my body that take forever to heal, even from the slightest bump. She didn't say much about it since my platelets and PV levels were within the normal range, but now I'm left wondering how much of a risk factor that might be...
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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#787 ·
Look, you really need to get that granuloma sorted out before you even think about surgery... 🙄

Regarding those bruises, you might be dealing with a milder version of von Willbrantov disease or maybe some kind of thrombocytopenia, though honestly, if you haven't dealt with any crazy bleeding episodes in your life up until now, it shouldn't just suddenly start acting up like this...

Besides, certain viruses and bacteria can temporarily mess with your coagulation and aggregation processes, especially at the capillary level—which is basically how those various rashes start showing up during infections anyway...
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#788 ·
The granuloma is being treated and the tooth is stable, but my whole point is that I just don't want to have it pulled. Is that really such a massive deal? I can't help but wonder how many people actually have one of these without even realizing it, perhaps only finding out when they're already scheduled for surgery.

As for the bruising, I've dealt with that my entire life, so maybe it's just my body's version of normal?
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#789 ·
Well, if they've already cleared everything, then you really shouldn't be losing any sleep over whether some kind of infection might settle in...

As for the bruising, it's honestly hard to give you a straight answer because sometimes there’s just no clear reason why one person is more prone to hematomas than someone else, and other times it's just some weird, outlier manifestation of the illness itself, but regardless, the fact that this isn't the first surgery you've ever had suggests that, on that front at least, there shouldn't be much to worry about... 🤷
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2014
#790 ·
This is my very first time going under, so general anesthesia is honestly making me pretty nervous.
It’s just the whole "what if" aspect of it all. Thanks so much for all the answers you guys provided.
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#791 ·
So, you're telling me you haven't had any tonsils out yet? Which means this definitely isn't your first time under the knife... 😕
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#792 ·
It was performed under local anesthesia, rather than general,
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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#793 ·
It doesn't really matter when it comes to the whole bleeding situation... 🙂
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#794 ·
Hello again, it's me... I haven't actually undergone the surgery yet, but there is one thing on my mind. Is it going to be an issue if I finish taking Duphaston (which I'm using because my cycles are so irregular) two weeks before my ovarian surgery? Does that make any difference at all? I really need to take it just to ensure I have my period before the procedure, as I absolutely do not want to go into surgery while on my period.

Thank you so much.
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#795 ·
It’s really not a huge deal, honestly, just make sure you let them know exactly when you stopped drinking so they can adjust your anti-thrombotic prophylaxis if they need to, and that’s pretty much all there is to it...
Kenneth Jones74 Kenneth Jones74 Newcomer
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#796 ·
Kevin Garcia12 said:That shouldn't be an issue at all. Just make sure to mention exactly when you stopped drinking so they can adjust your anti-thrombotic prophylaxis if necessary, and that should cover everything...

Thank you so much, that's really helpful information....🙂
quietsurfer262 quietsurfer262 Newcomer
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#797 ·
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone else here has had issues with local anesthesia... Last time I was at the dentist, I almost passed out. I felt dizzy, sweaty, and just like I was fading away... It’s weird because I've had dental work done plenty of times before without any trouble. My allergy tests came back negative too, so if it wasn't an allergy, I have no idea what caused that feeling. The dentist wanted to pull two teeth, and she thought maybe it was the dosage or where she injected it... Anyway, now I'm terrified, and there's one tooth that's been aching for months that she couldn't even get to because I felt so bad. What should I do? How can I deal with this tooth 😢
Kevin Garcia12 Kevin Garcia12 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#798 ·
It’s highly likely they just absorbed a much larger dose of the anesthetic than intended, which triggered that drop in blood pressure and all those nasty symptoms... Honestly, if the allergy testing came back negative, there shouldn't be any reason to worry as long as you stick to the proper dosage...
Jamie Jones95 Jamie Jones95 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2014
#799 ·
Hi everyone! I need to get a tooth fixed soon. My dentist mentioned local anesthesia when we were scheduling. Just so you know, I'm regularly taking Fevarin (an antidepressant) and Unknown. Are there any contraindications? I'm asking because I feel really awkward telling my dentist about these medications and would much rather just keep it quiet, but I'm worried about potential issues.
Scott Allen10 Scott Allen10 Regular
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joined Jun 2005
#800 ·
Local anesthesia shouldn't be an issue at all when you're taking those meds, but honestly, there’s no harm in mentioning it to your dentist—actually, I’d say you really should. It’s probably not even a big deal since every second or third person sitting in that chair is likely on something similar these days anyway...

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